Why do non catholics dislike Mother Mary?

[Monica4316]

That is not great dislike, it is just disagreement

That is not great dislike either. It is just disagreement.

it’s making Mary into someone she’s not… it’s lessening her. She is Blessed among women not like everyone else.

 

[AmericanJosiah]

What I am referrring to specifically is the fact that I’ve rarely seen (make that, NEVER!) a Protestant call Mary “blessed”, as in “the Blessed Mother of Jesus” or “Blessed Mary” thus fulfilling Luke 1:48.

1. The issue before us is why 5.5 billion people on the planet dislike Mary, personally. I’m trying to discover just who these 5.5 billion people are - since I don’t know even ONE. We can’t begin to discuss WHY all these people have this personal dislike for her until we identify them - then we can ask them.
2. I’m Protestant. I call Her either “Our Blessed Lady” or “Our Mother.” I regard Her as the Mother of God (as Lutherans officially do - it’s one of our doctrines) and I regard Her as chief among the saints. I know LOTS of Protestants that regard and call Her blessed; I’m hardly alone. I’m not following you at all.

But back to the issue we are to discuss: Why 5.5 billion people have a dislike for Mary, personally. I don’t know. I don’t even know that they do. I’ve never met any of these. I have no idea who they are.

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[AmateurPianist]

it’s making Mary into someone she’s not… it’s lessening her. She is Blessed among women not like everyone else.

…per your theology. Just because someone may not use the word Blessed all the time, doesn’t mean that they do not believe the Scripture in Luke that calls her Blessed. And even if they do not believe that Scripture it does not mean they “dislike” Mary.

You, by saying that non Catholics “dislike” Mother Mary are making the same mistake that non Catholics do when they say that Catholics “worship” Mary. You both are taking bits and pieces of evidence and choosing to interpret these pieces in the worst possible light.

Neither are true.

 

[sckcd]

Oh I’ve been given little hints. “Mary was a common woman no different than you or me, so stop giving her so much praise.” “She was just a vessel, no more.” I would also consider dislike to be almost the same as ignoring something or someone. Some people don’t feel the need to mention her at all. As if she had no role in their salvation.

Indifference is not the same as dislike. Our perception of her is different. Many non-Catholics think she was special indeed, but not to the effect that Catholics do. If anything, non-Catholic dislike for **how Catholics treat her **is something you may notice from some people (not all). We don’t “get” her like you guys do. I sort of understand where you all are coming from, but I don’t know that I will ever see her with the same eyes. To me she was special, to be honored to some extent, and certainly blessed, but I don’t think she has special powers to help me. I just can’t believe that. It’s fine if others think so, but I can’t.

 

[Marie5890]

You, by saying that non Catholics “dislike” Mother Mary are making the same mistake that non Catholics do when they say that Catholics “worship” Mary.

Neither are true.

Now THAT is a fair statement of honor and integrity.

It is neither misleading nor misrepresenting either side.

Thanks, AmateurPianist.

 

[Marie5890]

Indifference is not the same as dislike. Our perception of her is different. Many non-Catholics think she was special indeed, but not to the effect that Catholics do. If anything, non-Catholic dislike for **how Catholics treat her **is something you may notice from some people (not all). We don’t “get” her like you guys do. I sort of understand where you all are coming from, but I don’t know that I will ever see her with the same eyes. To me she was special, to be honored to some extent, and certainly blessed, but I don’t think she has special powers to help me. I just can’t believe that. It’s fine if others think so, but I can’t.

I think that is also an honorable statement on your part, sckcd.

“Indifference” of Mary is probably far more common than actual “dislike” of Mary.

Outside of Catholicism and Orthodoxy, I dont think most denominations give her as nearly as much thought nor consideration, for whatever reason.

 

[wwolverine]

I’m sorry ~ I’m not a Catholic and I LOVE MOTHER MARY ~ I never heard of such a thing.

Which non-Catholics “dislike” Mother Mary?

Sorry Pam,

Mostly the born again type of christians that I have met. Actually its thru Orthodox Christians I got to know of the Ark of covonent. Thanks for correcting me.

 

[Monica4316]

…per your theology. Just because someone may not use the word Blessed all the time, doesn’t mean that they do not believe the Scripture in Luke that calls her Blessed. And even if they do not believe that Scripture it does not mean they “dislike” Mary.

You, by saying that non Catholics “dislike” Mother Mary are making the same mistake that non Catholics do when they say that Catholics “worship” Mary. You both are taking bits and pieces of evidence and choosing to interpret these pieces in the worst possible light.

Neither are true.

I have never claimed that all non Catholics, or all Protestants, dislike Mary. I said that I’ve known those who do. Usually they were fundamentalists or evangelical Protestants.

About Scripture calling Mary blessed, that is true, but Mary also said that all generations will call her Blessed so it must not be wrong for us to call her this, and to believe she is blessed.

 

[Justy90]

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I’ve never known ANY non-Catholic who dislikes Mary. Even non-Christians that do.



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I agree. What’s problematic to most Catholics is that they interpret hate for Mary as how most Protestants do not deeply honor her to the point of near worship and spend a great deal of time on her as opposed to spending it on prayer to our Lord and Savior Christ.

I have always regarded Mary as the greatest model of what a Christian should be and regarded her with honor for her faith and her yes to God through the angel Gabriel. I have no clue as to how Catholics could call that hate.

 

[AmateurPianist]

I have never claimed that all non Catholics, or all Protestants, dislike Mary. I said that I’ve known those who do. Usually they were fundamentalists or evangelical Protestants.

About Scripture calling Mary blessed, that is true, but Mary also said that all generations will call her Blessed so it must not be wrong for us to call her this, and to believe she is blessed.

But the evidence you cite could just as easily, if not more easily, be interpreted to be something much more benign than “disliking” Mary.

Just as the evidence that some of us cite as to Catholics “worshiping” Mary could just as easily, if note more easily, be interpreted again as something much more benign.

In this case on both sides I suggest that Occams razor is correct.

 

[PRmerger]

I thought if you believed in Him you would have [SIGN]eternal LIFE,[/SIGN] not eternal death.

Here’s some more verses about eternal LIFE. (I’ve never read any verses in Scripture about someone in heaven having eternal DEATH )

[BIBLEDRB]Mark 10:17[/BIBLEDRB] **Jesus, I presume, would have corrected this rich young man to say, "Young man, when you die, you are physically dead. There is no LIFE in heaven. **[BIBLEDRB]Mark 10:30.[/BIBLEDRB] Here even Jesus talks about eternal LIFE.

 

[Linda_Marie]

I’ve met several, of a Fundamentalist persuasion, who I would consider as disliking Mary. I conclude this from the way their faces screw up like they’d just bitten into something rotten at the mere mention of her name. Even at Christmas, they downplay her participation in God’s Great Plan for the salvation of mankind by viewing her as something God used and threw away when He was done with her. They love the Baby Jesus, but act like they wish Mary was not His mother. They seem to have no trouble putting Paul on a pedestal but baulk at doing the same for the Woman through whom Grace entered the world.

When I asked them about her, they showed contempt for her, again with facial expressions which belie their words of “Oh we respect her but…” The ‘but’ is always a putdown and a denigration. There is usually a bit of a sneer in their voices and I get the impression that they look down on her. So that’s at least 3 more who dislike Mary.

Why do they dislike her? I really don’t know. They say things like, we don’t dislike her but we dislike the way Catholics treat her. In rejecting the way Catholics view Mary, they seem to go the opposite way to differentiate between themselves and those ‘Mary worshipping’ Catholics. I see it as more a symptom of anti-Catholicism than anything else. They would rather dislike Mary than give any credence to the teachings of the Catholic Church. This is just my experience with these few people but from reading some of the posts on CAF, I know there are many more.

Mary is not dead but alive. Jesus himself tells us that He is the God of the Living. “I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob.” Are these men not dead in their graves? Yet God says they are alive.

Jesus told the ‘disciple whom He loved’ that Mary was his mother. Who is the disciple whom Jesus loved? Is John the only disciple He has loved? Am I not also ‘the disciple whom Jesus loved’? Did He not, then, give His mother to me as well as to John?

How can I call Jesus my brother yet claim that Mary has nothing to do with me? Is not the mother of my brother, MY mother as well? Who has never gone to their mother to get something they wanted from their father?

God loves Mary, therefore I will love Mary. God exalted Mary by making her the Mother of Jesus, therefore, I will also exalt Mary.

All Christians are called upon to imitate Christ. Am I to imitate Him in everything but this?

 

[Sword_Brethren]

I agree. What’s problematic to most Catholics is that they interpret hate for Mary as how most Protestants do not deeply honor her to the point of near worship .

Not worship.

 

[AmateurPianist]

I’ve met several, of a Fundamentalist persuasion, who I would consider as disliking Mary. I conclude this from the way their faces screw up like they’d just bitten into something rotten at the mere mention of her name.

Again, you are choosing to take snippets of evidence and interpret it in the worst possible light.

This is exactly the same error that non Catholics make when they claim you worship Mary.

Oh BTW, you probably would consider me of Fundamentalist persuasion.

 

[AmateurPianist]

Here’s some more verses about eternal LIFE.

I am sure that we all agree that Mary is alive with Jesus Christ today.

I am sure that we all agree that Mary’s earthly body is dead.

This is a tempest in a teapot. The two words are not mutually exclusive in the two senses that they are used above.

 

[Linda_Marie]

I don’t think I have.

I once tried to discuss the Catholic beliefs about Mary with some people I work with around Christmas time. We occasionally have religious discussions so it was not out of the ordinary. We were discussing Christmas and what Jesus coming into the world means for us. We are friends and consider ourselves sisters in Christ so I’m not about to bash them over the head with Mary. In fact, I got a bit tongue-tied trying to figure out the best, gentlest, most loving way to bring her up and we were already discussing the Birth of Christ. Mary sort of naturally came up. I hadn’t gotten more than a few words out when they said that they found “this discussion offensive” and would I please not continue. I suppose you had to be there and hear them for yourself. I can’t remember her exact words but the gist was that if I valued our friendship, I would never say her name again in front of them. I was rather taken aback with their vehemence on the matter - our continued friendship was on the line. One second we were having a friendly discussion and the next, I’m about to lose a couple good friends.

Why could we not even share our spiritual experiences as one Christian to another, as friends? Why could I not tell them about what Mary did for me? Why were they willing to sever our friendship if I ever tried to talk about Mary, anything about Mary, then or ever again? It seems pretty clear that they dislike her so much that they don’t even want to hear her name, even connected to the Birth of Christ.

I still work with them. Despite their attitude towards Mary, I still consider us sisters in Christ. They pray for me and I pray for them, and occasionally we even pray together.

Besides, I know Mary loves them as her children even if they don’t love her as their Mother because she wants all souls to be saved. She will continue to direct graces their way because they love her Son so much.

AmateurPianist, I’m sorry if I offended you. I’m not sure what sort of non-denominational fundamentalists they are so I used something I thought was generic, sort of. I apologise for my choice of words.

 

[JustaServant]

If you want to observe fundamentalist disrespect for Mary, watch this without gagging.
This preacher has the largest fundamentalist church in the country.
youtube.com/watch?v=UbVz3SK1WYk

 

[Frost]

There are some Non Catholics who have a great dislike for Mother mary. What could be the reason for this? They only quote Holy Bible saying there is no reference to any thing about her. I know someone who says show me on the Holy Bible where she is called Mother for all.

I don’t know any non-Catholics who has a dislike for Mary. And I am a Lutheran living in a Lutheran country. We see Mary as an example for all, one of the first Christians, the chosen one who gave birth to the Son. I really can’t imagine any Christians disliking Mary, but I can imagine som non-Catholics having negative reactions towards some of the cult surrounding Mary.

 

[JustaServant]

Well, notice I said he has the largest* fundamentalist *church in the country. He’s a good example of what can happen when you so oppose a Catholic doctrine. It leads to foolishness.
And yeah, I did notice his citing extra-Biblical sources.
But…but…but…that’s DIFFERENT!

 

[AmericanJosiah]

I don’t know any non-Catholics who has a dislike for Mary. .

Me, neither.

And yet we are here to discuss WHY these 5.5 BILLION people have a great dislike for Her, personally…

We need to identify these 5.5 billion people. THEN we can ask them what about Mary causes them such great personal dislike.

I don’t know even ONE of them. Which concerns me; am I so entirely isolated that I’ve never so much as met even ONE of these?



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