Why do non catholics dislike Mother Mary?

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TEPO said:
As if one should just take your word on that… :rolleyes:

And are you suggesting that the common man was not able to own his own bible ? If so, how did Luther find a way ?
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Bibles were not mass produced until the Gutenberg press and most common men couldn’t read anyway at that time there was little need to educate peasants and they were much easier to rule if they remained illiterate. I believe Luther was a catholic priest, they had Bibles. they just had to be very careful about what conclusions they drew from reading them.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
Actually, we believe Christ’s promise to be with His Church until the consummation of the world, so great a Church that even the gates of hell shall not prevail against it, therefore we believe the Church to be free from error, just as Christ is free from error.
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So it was not wrong to burn heretics at the steak? should this still be done? should unbelieving jews be persecuted as Christ killers? Is the RCC still taking cash for the forgiveness of sins?? If God wanted the crusades why did they mostly fail? Were the Iron maiden and the rack inspired by the Holy spirit? if so why arent they still used?or are they?
I believe these are all considered to be errors of RCC history, unless you want to defend them?
In the letters of revalation Jesus speaks to the 7 churches (again note7 not1) He pionts out to some of them that they are in fact in error and requires them to repent! He threatens to come upon them like a theif in the night! these are His churches and they are in error. Unless you are claiming that Jesus was wrong and the RCC is correct???
 
TEPO said:
Prayer, Baptism, Confession, Eucharist, Bible, and confirmation (initi8ation into the Church)… This combination, plus more gives Catholics the faith through Jesus and the Holy Spirit.

Using strictly Bible verses takes away from the rest
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the Bible teaches about most of that it just doesnt demand you belong to the RCC.
 
izoid said:
I find it telling that you fail to look at the words used for house of God and Church. These are clearly relating to an individual congregation.

oikos—a house, dwelling

ekklēsia—assembly, a religious congregation.

Now, you can claim what you will but your logic falls short. God is not a God of confusion and He can not be directing all of the different beliefs in all of the different congregations. It is absolutely not possible to say so.
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I would but I my library is boxed up to take in my daughters family.
the Jws make this claim that thre must be one true body and they are it. they use the same argument. " Not a God of confusion" then why isnt the old testament in chronological order? Dont tell me it wouldnt be less confusing!:rolleyes:
 
sckcd said:
I don’t know anyone that dislikes Mary. But while most non-Catholics respect her for her role in bringing Jesus to us, we don’t regard her in the same sense Catholics do. I am in RCIA, learning about the church, but I just can’t see Mary like Catholics do. She did a wonderful thing, she played a major role by being His mother, and certainly deserves respect and admiration, but it sometimes seems she is focused on as much as Jesus and that just seems odd if you aren’t Catholic I guess. And as a non-Catholic it is hard to imagine praying to anyone else than Jesus (even though I know you aren’t really worshipping her).
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Protestants may believe in the Virgin Birth but without reflection on the enormity of it. To some it was a mere sign, something indicating that Jesus was to be more than a prophet such as John the Baptist, a birth like all others excerpt in the manner of conception. To think of Mary as Virgin AFTER the birth is regarded as absurd. To me it seems they think of Jesus not as GOD but as a demi-god like Heracles, the son of Zeus and a woman.
 
MyRdmrLvs said:
So it was not wrong to burn heretics at the steak? should this still be done? should unbelieving jews be persecuted as Christ killers? Is the RCC still taking cash for the forgiveness of sins?? If God wanted the crusades why did they mostly fail? Were the Iron maiden and the rack inspired by the Holy spirit? if so why arent they still used?or are they?
I believe these are all considered to be errors of RCC history, unless you want to defend them?
In the letters of revalation Jesus speaks to the 7 churches (again note7 not1) He pionts out to some of them that they are in fact in error and requires them to repent! He threatens to come upon them like a theif in the night! these are His churches and they are in error. Unless you are claiming that Jesus was wrong and the RCC is correct???
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Protestants were busy little witch burners too, but facts don’t suit you, do they. Provide your sources for the accusations or retract. Enough with the lazy bigot’s hysterical fantasies.
 
Usbek_de_Perse said:
Name two!
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Here is a post by a person who says Mary is a “barrier to God” and likens asking her intercession to praying to Baal.

I don’t know if this post can be considered “hateful” to Mary, the Mother of the Lord, but it sure does seem very disrespectful to me:
Mosacked said:
No offense I hope, just trying to make Catholics ‘see’ how some of us think.

If Mary was the mother of God, just because she gave birth to Jesus who is God, doesn’t that mean that if you put the foetus of humans into the body of a monkey, then that monkey would be the mother of humans? (no offense, but it’s the closest analogy I can think of).
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MyRdmrLvs said:
So it was not wrong to burn heretics at the steak? should this still be done? should unbelieving jews be persecuted as Christ killers? Is the RCC still taking cash for the forgiveness of sins?? If God wanted the crusades why did they mostly fail? Were the Iron maiden and the rack inspired by the Holy spirit? if so why arent they still used?or are they?
I believe these are all considered to be errors of RCC history, unless you want to defend them?
In the letters of revalation Jesus speaks to the 7 churches (again note7 not1) He pionts out to some of them that they are in fact in error and requires them to repent! He threatens to come upon them like a theif in the night! these are His churches and they are in error. Unless you are claiming that Jesus was wrong and the RCC is correct???
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So we throw the baby out with the bathwater? Jesus chose Judas, do we abandon Him now? He had disciples leave Him and walk with Him no more in John 6, do we abandon Christ for having bad disciples? NO!

How many times do we have to say, THERE WERE SINFUL MEN IN THE CHURCH’S HISTORY! Are you inferring there are NO sinful Protestants?

You are stuck on the 7 Churches, even though we have repeatedly told you, THERE WERE 7 CHURCHES IN 7 LOCATIONS, BUT THEY WERE ALL OF THE SAME FAITH! How many Churches did Paul write letters too? Did he instruct them differently or was his instructions the same for all of them?

Did the Apostles not point out errors to the different Churches? Again, Christ had disciples leave Him and He chose Judas, do we abandon Him now?

You are something else, you know that? What do you hope to achieve on a Catholic forum, seriously?
 
MyRdmrLvs said:
So it was not wrong to burn heretics at the steak? should this still be done? should unbelieving jews be persecuted as Christ killers? Is the RCC still taking cash for the forgiveness of sins?? If God wanted the crusades why did they mostly fail? Were the Iron maiden and the rack inspired by the Holy spirit? if so why arent they still used?or are they?
I believe these are all considered to be errors of RCC history, unless you want to defend them?
In the letters of revalation Jesus speaks to the 7 churches (again note7 not1) He pionts out to some of them that they are in fact in error and requires them to repent! He threatens to come upon them like a theif in the night! these are His churches and they are in error. Unless you are claiming that Jesus was wrong and the RCC is correct???
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God wants us to behave like Christians, and no doubt to burn Heretics or Jews, would not be Christlike. But as Paul suggests, charity is a hard virtue to acquire. Lenin once said, he would love to stroke and cuddle human beings, but they bite. Yet evil though he was, Lenin, wanted to do good. And we want to do good, and know what we ought, but often do what we know is evil.
 
Timothy_Piper said:
Easy; you don’t understand the meaning nor the context of the passages.
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Yes, we must all remember that Timothy is the only true interpreter of Scripture. Whenever there is disagreement we must defer to his understanding. After all, he is filled with the Spirt so he is the one who knows the truth. :rolleyes:
 
Timothy_Piper said:
He doesn’t. Is that simple enough? since He doesn’t, then that leaves one assumption left; who is a Christian?
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Are you questioning whether anyone who disagrees with you is a Christian?

You say that leaves one assumption and then ask a question. What is your assumption? Is it that Catholics are not Christians? It sure seems as though you are saying that,tell me it isn’t so. :eek:
 
MyRdmrLvs said:
Show me that verse and prove that the RCC is that church and I and my family will convert.
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THe proof has been laid out to you. It is clear from history, the ECF’s and the Bible itself. If you are willing to set aside your pre conceived ideas you will see it. Unfortunately, you are not willing to do so. 😦
 
Sorry to say this

But I feel that the post has been hijacked and from 600 onwards most posts have nothing to do with the subject.

Please can we stick to the post and those who want to discuss other things can open their own post?

God Bless
 
usma82 said:
I recently had a fundamentalist/creationist tell me that “praying to Mary was Satan’s way of keeping us from focusing on Jesus”. She was white-faced with anger. This feeling of hers, I think, counts for more than just “dislike”. This was a friend who said this to me and another friend/Catholic: my Catholic friend and I were stunned. We both feel as though we have lost someone close to us, as this comment cut us to the core. We tried to explain, that among other reasons, that we prayed to Mary as an advocate to help us understand Jesus. I would appreciate insight as to how to proceed.
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Your friend spoke of a practice not a person. It was anger, if that’s what it was, against a practice, not against Mary.​

As for understanding Jesus, according to the words of Jesus, that’s the job of the Holy Spirit.
 
Timothy_Piper said:
The core belief is the Gospel according to Jesus. What I wonder about is the people in the Church of Christ who believe water baptism is necessary for salvation, which is a works righteousness which diminishes the sufficiency of Christ. Intuitively, anything that diminishes the sufficiency of Christ in salvation is another gospel. I am puzzled by this particular group because I know some of them and everything else is in line with the gospel except that one point and it does deal with salvation. i guess i will know when i get to heaven.
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God knows His and loves them, inspite of any shortcomings in belief. I’m sure there will be things I’ve thought true that are incorrect. I think we should be careful not to judge extra beliefs realizing God knows each heart, including mine (and when you think about it, understanding that the heart is despirately wicked who can know it) is a scary thing. Sure we have a new heart if we’re born again, but we live with our old one til Heaven.
 
Dokimas said:
3624 οικος oikos oy’-kos

of uncertain affinity; TDNT-5:119,674; n m

AV-house 104, household 3, home + 1519 2, at home + 1722 2, misc 3; 114
  1. a house
    1a) an inhabited house, home
    1b) any building whatever
    1b1) of a palace
    1b2) the house of God, the tabernacle
    1c) any dwelling place
    1c1) of the human body as the abode of demons that possess it
    1c2) of tents, and huts, and later, of the nests, stalls, lairs, of animals
    1c3) the place where one has fixed his residence, one’s settled abode, domicile
  2. the inmates of a house, all the persons forming one family, a household
    2a) the family of God, of the Christian Church, of the church of the Old and New Testaments
  3. stock, family, descendants of one

For Synonyms see entry 5867 & 5944​

1577 εκκλησια ekklesia ek-klay-see’-ah

from a compound of 1537 and a derivative of 2564; TDNT-3:501,394; n f

AV-church 115, assembly 3; 118
  1. a gathering of citizens called out from their homes into some public place, an assembly
    1a) an assembly of the people convened at the publicplace of the council for the purpose of deliberating
    1b) the assembly of the Israelites
    1c) any gathering or throng of men assembled by chance, tumultuously
    1d) in a Christian sense
    1d1) an assembly of Christians gathered for worship in a religious meeting
    1d2) a company of Christians, or of those who, hoping for eternal salvation through Jesus Christ, observe their own religious rites, hold their own religious meetings, and manage their own affairs, according to regulations prescribed for the body for order’s sake
    1d3) those who anywhere, in a city, village, constitute such a company and are united into one body
    1d4) the whole body of Christians scattered throughout the earth
    1d5) the assembly of faithful Christians already dead and received into heaven
I belong to a body of beleivers acording to Luke9:46-50 we are apart of His church. Do you claim that the RCC has more authority than Jesus? was Jesus lieing?
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