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Dokimas
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I’ve been married for most 33 yrs. Because we are so different we’ve had ups and many downs. We, however, are commited to each other because God is against divorce AND we don’t want to hurt our children. It has NOTHING directly to do with sex. We have used differing forms of contraception over the yrs. It has become increasingly important for my wife not to become pregnant so we are careful.
You are correct, humans are very self-centered. It has nothing to do with sex and contraception. I’ve met men that selfishly want their wives to keep having their children.
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PRmerger
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No, I’m quite sure you’re still ignorant about Christ’s teachings.
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Dokimas
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How do the following verses fit in with your put down of protestant services? BTW, how many different ones have you gone to?
Eph 5:19 speaking to one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing and making melody in your heart to the Lord,Col 3:16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom, teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.
Jas 5:13 Is anyone among you suffering? Let him pray. Is anyone cheerful? Let him sing psalms.
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Timothy_Piper
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Actually, the passage in John and the Lord’s Supper have nothing in common in the context of the Lord’s Supper, but since Scripture is consistent with itself we can look at John 6:63 and show that indeed He did tell everyone the manner in which He spoke.
6:63
"It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life. — Can Jesus make it or rephrase it for you to make it any clearer?
Then, Paul in 1 Co. 11, way after the Lord’s Supper, gives even more detail into the actual meaning, which of course is symbolic of the fleah and blood shed on the cross of Calvary.
23 For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you: that the Lord Jesus on the same night in which He was betrayed took bread; 24and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, "Take, eat; this is My body which is broken for you; do this in remembrance of Me." 25In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.”
26For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death till He comes
What could be the reason you do not understand the plain reading of these?
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tweetymom
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Sure a lot of people calling other people liars, Hmmm I didn’t think that was permissable?
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Timothy_Piper
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Well you start with the Bible or the Word of God and He will make it known. What does it say, that the HS is the only true interpreter of Scripture, which will manifest the Truth to the Christian.
"Lead me in Your truth and teach me, For You are the God of my salvation; On You I wait all the day. "
“Teach me Your way, O Lord; I will walk in Your truth”
"Teacher, we know that You say and teach rightly, and You do not show personal favoritism, but teach the way of God in truth:
God is Spirit, and those who worship Him must worship in spirit and truth."
the Spirit of truth, whom the world cannot receive, because it neither sees Him nor knows Him; but you know Him, for He dwells with you and will be in you.
However, when He, the Spirit of truth, has come, He will guide you into all truth
And it goes on and on; his is why Matthew 7 speaks of the few and the many; many calling themselves Christians are not at all and only a few that do call themselves Christian actually are; this is why only a “few” agree.
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Timothy_Piper
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Go back and see the answer; it is all there for your eyes to see. I’ll save you some time, “a” apostle, like timothy and Barnabas, not “A” Apostle like James, John, Judas, Philip, Andrew Et Al.
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Monte1945
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I appreciate your attitude and thoughts as in regards to Mary Mother of Jesus.
Yes, there is a great difference of understanding regarding the position of Mary here in The kingdom of God from within Non-Catholic Christian churches mainly because there is a great difference in how the denominations understand one’s means to access the Grace of God because there is a great difference of opinion as to what the Grace of God means from within the two different views of some non-catholic churches.
As there is so little written about Mary in the Gospels that most non catholic churches do not focus on her that often other than historically she lived and allowed God to work through her and that is about it for her part in the salvation of the world…etc.
I think it would take quite a large sized book to even begin to detail the
view, and feelings of the Catholic Church in regards to Mary and her part
of the Faith.
But, to just mention a few from within “my” opinions I would say:
Catholics are taught subject by subject in their instructions of the Faith.
They are taught that the real church is the community of God here on earth
or one in the mystical body … and that the community is God’s Family
and we are all literally related… we are Family… and the first family of God
was/is Jesus/Mary/ Joseph…
Catholics are taught that when we become members of that mystical
body we are actual members of God’s family… adopted but family members.
And if we are really brothers and sisters to Jesus then his mother is our mother…
Catholics believe in the communion of Saints and some non catholic churches
do not. This makes a great difference in what we then do in our devotion life.
Some non-catholic churches do not see any reason to pray to the dead saints
of the church. So they are not taught to look at Mary in that light.
They pray directly to God through Jesus’ name only.
Mary is considered by the Catholic church as being a direct help to God
for allowing herself to be used in God’s plan for salvation… Just how much
she did or how much she allowed is the subject of thousands of books
written from the second century to now. If one was to attempt to read
all the ideas regarding her in her role, one could spend their whole lifetime
attempting to take it all in…
Some of my deepest meditations are focused on Mary. And I have spent
many years doing so and from what is still available too me, would take
me a few more lifetimes of study.
Without her consent to accept the Spirit of God into her in order to
create a human body for Jesus. Jesus would not been able to come
into our world… One might say she was very important to our Savior coming
and she can be considered as part of God’s salvation for us from that point of view.
I think her most important role was that she actually interceded for those people
at the wedding. Jesus seemed to say… “what is this too me?” and she just
said to the people “do as he says” … Here we have her actually getting a need
of the people filled from Jesus when it was not his idea…
If one believes in the communion of saints. then this bit of information regarding her
role in our relationship to her is very important to our christian lives… We can pray
to Jesus and if we do not get our answer we can go to her in prayer and ask her
if she can help us out with him"…
But one has to believe in the doctrine of communion of “past” saints…
of course the Catholic church teaches this doctrine from Rev. 5:8 and Rev 8
that the late elders of the church on earth and angels are presenting our prayers
to God on his throne… thus giving us the right to pray to the departed saints
and Mary is certainly a saint…
I think that non-Catholics and especially those who depend on scripture alone,
should study the verses of Rev. 5 and Rev 8 and do some real soul searching
on what that means. If they can see that there is validity in the doctrine
of the communion of saints. it will bring them to a better understanding and need
to have Mary as someone they can actually pray too. and from there, I think
their relationship with her will develop even more.
At least it was for me… (smile)
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PRmerger
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That is a fair question.
I’ve been to 5-10 services in my entire life.
As for those verses, I think they’re beautiful. I didn’t really think I was disrespecting your Protestant services.
How do your services fit in with this verse:
“For from the rising of the sun even to its setting, My name will be great among the nations, and in every place incense is going to be offered to My name, and a grain offering that is pure; for My name will be great among the nations,” says the LORD of hosts -Malachi 1:11
What is the only pure offering? Jesus Christ of course! Do you offer Christ at your services?
Does your church have incense?
Did you know that at every hour of the day, around the world, the Catholic Mass is being offered somewhere?
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graceandglory
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The Church talks about those kind of men too. ewtn.com/library/PAPALDOC/JP840801.HTM
You are in a great place to learn what the Catholic Church teaches about the theology of the body as it pertains to married people. I think we agree that over 50% of Christian marriages end in divorce. Sounds like you two have what it takes to weather the storms of life and be faithful to the end. It doesn’t mean you can’t make it even better.
amazon.com/Theology-Body-Beginners-Christopher-West/dp/1934217859/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1262107874&sr=8-2-catcorr
This is a deep catechesis of marriage, and if you love scripture, I’m sure you would love this.
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Dokimas
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graceandglory
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And so did I for twenty years from a protestant perspective. I have read over a hundred books on marriage, and honestly, none can hold a flame to what John Paul II wrote.
That is why protestant churches are beginning to teach the Theology of the Body (Catholic teaching of sex and marriage!)
christopherwest.com/speak.asp
citizenlink.org/content/A000007511.cfm
breakpoint.org/features-columns/articles/1200-theology-of-the-body
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Prodigal_Son1
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If, as you say, there have always been Christian Churches other than the Church in Rome, there would be some documentation somewhere. Those Churches would have disagreed with the Catholic Church, as evident with the disagreement of Churches today. They would have documented the differences to show they were correct in choosing not to be a part of the one Church Christ started.
There were those who were called heretics, but I don’t know of anyone today who would claim to be connected with those Churches. Those differences were documented by the Catholic Church.
Someone in history would have documented ‘different’ Churches. The Jews were accused of handing the Messiah over to Rome for crucifixtion. Rome did everything it could to stop the spread of Christianity. A Roman named Julian the Apostate, misunderstood Christ’s prophecy about the temple being destroyed. He believed Christ’s prophecy included the fact that the temple would never be rebuilt. He set out to rebuild the temple, to prove Christ was wrong. He failed, and the temple has not been rebuilt until this day. Why wouldn’t the Jews or Rome have used ‘multiple’ Christian Churches to cast doubt for their own benefit?
Pagan religions were being replaced and overwhelmed by Christianity, yet none used the ‘multiple Church’ theory to weaken it’s growth as their religions dwindled and died out.
There have been secular groups throughout history who tried to prove the Church wrong, yet none have used the ‘multiple’ Church theory.
You say that you can show that the Catholic Church is less than Christlike, even though we have admittedly sinful men in the Church’s history. You have to consider the implications of a statement like that when we view the history of Christ’s Church before His death and resurrection. Christ chose Judas, was Judas Christlike? Christ had disciples walk away from Him and walk with Him no more, were they Christlike? Christ had to repeatedly correct the Apostles. Remember in the garden, some of the Apostles drew their swords and one of them cut off a guard’s ear, was that Christlike? You are ‘judging’ an entire Church by the actions of a few.
Another point is, you say if we bring up examples of ‘other Churches’, who did not agree with the Catholic Church, you will give examples of how the Catholic Church is less than ‘Christlike’. Why not bring up those examples of other Churches you would be willing to associate your faith with?
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Janet1983
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Thank you for not claiming that all non-catholics dislike Mary.
I for my part do not dislike her. She might have a different position for me than she has for the CC, but I certainly do not dislike her.
Her willingness to serve the Lord with all of her life is a shining example of how we should conduct ourselves.
I do believe that she was a simple maiden who was called to serve the Lord in a very special position as she was given the unique opportunity to bear and raise our Saviour. Even though none of us can claim such a lofty way of God using our willingness to serve Him and our talents we can still have her as a role model for our service to the Lord.
She called herself a slave of the Lord (“δουλη κυριου”) when she agreed to the angel’s message. This willingness to give ourselves and anything we have into the hands of the Almighty and to be only His with all of our lives and wherever he put us (as a parent, as a spouse, as a bachelor, as a child, as a teacher, as a worker, etc.) should be a common goal to all of us who claim to be Christians and who want to follow our Lord and Master Jesus Christ.
May be refer to us only in the way Mary (“δουλη κυριου”), Paul (“δουλος ιησου χριστου”) or James ("θεου και κυριου ιησου χριστου δουλος) referred to themselves: “The Lord’s slave”, “a slave of Jesus Christ”, and “a slave of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ”.
May our love for our Master and our dedication to His service be stronger than our pride, our self-service and our self-centeredness.
May God bless you this upcoming year.
In Him,
Janet
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izoid
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It seems that even when you CLAIM the Bible as your only source, anything goes. Can you please direct me to the verse that states that there were no priests present?
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graceandglory
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Amen. This is really beautiful. This is what rosary meditation is all about. Thank you for sharing this.
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Brenda4God
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I don’t know anyone who dislikes Mary. I know some people who dislike what they think Catholics believe about her. Some of them have this silly idea that we worship her like God. 
I just try to tell them its not true and show them in the Catechism.
I just try to tell them its not true and show them in the Catechism.
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Prodigal_Son1
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Please provide documentation for that statement.
We’ve told you what we believe and how we worship and you reject it and tell us what we really believe?
Did God object to the statues in the Temple Solomon built?
**1Ki 6:23 And he made in the oracle two cherubims of olive tree, of ten cubits in height.
1Ki 6:24 One wing of the cherub was five cubits, and the other wing of the cherub was five cubits: that is, in all ten cubits, from the extremity of one wing to the extremity of the other wing.
1Ki 6:25 The second cherub also was ten cubits: and the measure, and the work was the same in both the cherubims:
1Ki 6:26 That is to say, one cherub was ten cubits high, and in like manner the other cherub.
1Ki 6:27 And he set the cherubims in the midst of the inner temple: and the cherubims stretched forth their wings, and the wing of the one touched one wall, and the wing of the other cherub touched the other wall: and the other wings in the midst of the temple touched one another.
1Ki 6:28 And he overlaid the cherubims with gold.
1Ki 6:29 And all the walls of the temple round about he carved with divers figures and carvings: and he made in them cherubims and palm trees, and divers representations, as it were standing out, and coming forth from the wall.
1Ki 7:25 And it stood upon twelve oxen, of which three looked towards the north, and three towards the west, and three towards the south, and three towards the east: and the sea was above upon them, and their hinder parts were all hid within.
1Ki 7:26 And the laver was a hand breadth thick: and the brim thereof was like the brim of a cup, or the leaf of a crisped lily: it contained two thousand bates.
1Ki 7:27 And he made ten bases of brass, every base was four cubits in length, and four cubits in breadth, and three cubits high.
1Ki 7:28 And the work itself of the bases, was intergraven: and there were gravings between the joinings.
1Ki 7:29 And between the little crowns and the ledges, were lions, and oxen, and cherubims; and in the joinings likewise above: and under the lions and oxen, as it were bands of brass hanging down.
1Ki 7:30 And every base had four wheels, and axletrees of brass: and at the four sides were undersetters, under the laver molten, looking one against another.
1Ki 7:31 The mouth also of the laver within, was in the top of the chapiter: and that which appeared without, was of one cubit all round, and together it was one cubit and a half: and in the corners of the pillars were divers engravings: and the spaces between the pillars were square, not round.
1Ki 7:32 And the four whee]s, which were at the four corners of the base, were joined one to another under the base: the height of a wheel was a cubit and a half.
1Ki 7:33 And they were such wheels as are used to be made in a chariot: and their axletrees, and spokes, and strakes, and naves, were all cast.
1Ki 7:34 And the four undersetters, that were at every corner of each base, were of the base itself, cast and joined together.
1Ki 7:35 And on the top of the base, there was a round compass of half a cubit, so wrought that the laver might be set thereon, having its gravings, and divers sculptures of itself.
1Ki 7:36 He engraved also in those plates, which were of brass, and in the corners, cherubims, and lions, and palm trees, in likeness of a man standing, so that they seemed not to be engraven, but added round about.
1Ki 7:37 After this manner, he made ten bases, of one casting and measure, and the like graving.
1Ki 7:38 He made also ten lavers of brass: one laver contained four bates, and was of four cubits: and upon every base, in all ten, he put as many lavers.
1Ki 7:39 And he set the ten bases, five on the right side of the temple, and five on the left: and the sea he put on the right side of the temple, over against the east southward.
1Ki 7:40 And Hiram made cauldrons, and shovels, and basins, and finished all the work of king Solomon in the temple of the Lord.
1Ki 7:41 The two pillars and the two cords of the chapiters, upon the chapiters of the pillars: and the two networks, to cover the two cords, that were upon the top of the pillars.
1Ki 7:42 And four hundred pomegranates for the two networks: two rows of pomegranates for each network, to cover the cords of the chapiters, which were upon the tops of the pillars.
1Ki 7:43 And the ten bases, and the ten lavers on the bases.
1Ki 7:44 And one sea, and twelve oxen under the sea.
1Ki 7:45 And the cauldrons, and the shovels, and the basins. All the vessels that Hiram made for king Solomon, for the house of the Lord, were of fine brass.**
Why would statues be wrong if God commanded Moses to build an ark for the covenant with the following specifications?
Exo 25:18 Thou shalt make also two cherubims of beaten gold, on the two sides of the oracle.
Exo 25:19 Let one cherub be on the one side, and the other on the other.
Exo 25:20 Let them cover both sides of the propitiatory, spreading their wings, and covering the oracle, and let them look one towards the other, their faces being turned towards the propitiatory wherewith the ark is to to be covered.
If Mary found favor with God, do you really think God objects to us loving and honoring what he found favor with?
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