Why do non catholics dislike Mother Mary?

[izoid]

Kind of makes the question, “Have you accepted Jesus as your personal Lord and Savior” wrong, doesn’t it? Scripture doesn’t tell us to ask that question, anywhere.

You are exactly right. The reasoning is so illogical that it baffles me. The entire approach is completely self serving.

 

[PRmerger]

I do believe that she was a simple maiden who was called to serve the Lord in a very special position as she was given the unique opportunity to bear and raise our Saviour. Even though none of us can claim such a lofty way of God using our willingness to serve Him and our talents we can still have her as a role model for our service to the Lord.

Beautiful and profound, Janet!

 

[Dokimas]

You are exactly right. The reasoning is so illogical that it baffles me. The entire approach is completely self serving.

You have not followed my reasoning and unless PR’s begun to understand what I’ve posted, she’s with you.​

Comments like these are ‘attack’ mode. Just thought you’d want to know how you’re coming across.

 

[izoid]

Does this mean he can no longer plea ignorance, like myself, therefore if we do not join you Catholic church, then we lose our salvation and are damned?

I think your pride will damn you before your church affiliation will (speaking of mankind in general ).

 

[carpentercb]

Okay, this my first time posting here on this forum. As a protestant, I don’t dislike Mary. I just don’t see the purpose of praying for her intercession. I don’t see it as the same as asking my own mother to pray for me. I see no scriptural evidence that she was given the same omnipresent power as God. If 2 million people are praying to her at the same time, are you saying, and by what scriptural evidence, that she can hear every one of them at one time? So please dont take this as a dislike for Mary, just that none of the apostles of the New Testament told us to or prayed for her intercession.

Respectfully,

Chris

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

It doesn’t say it either way.

And what does the Bible say about believing Mary was ever virgin?

 

[graceandglory]

Okay, this my first time posting here on this forum. As a protestant, I don’t dislike Mary. I just don’t see the purpose of praying for her intercession. I don’t see it as the same as asking my own mother to pray for me. I see no scriptural evidence that she was given the same omnipresent power as God. If 2 million people are praying to her at the same time, are you saying, and by what scriptural evidence, that she can hear every one of them at one time? So please dont take this as a dislike for Mary, just that none of the apostles of the New Testament told us to or prayed for her intercession.

Respectfully,

Chris

Welcome carpentercb! :tiphat:
Great comments. Please stick around.

This link answers your question.
davidmacd.com/catholic/mary_do_catholics_pray_to_her.htm#If%20only%20God%20omniscient,%20omnipresent,%20and%20omnipotent,%20how%20do%20Saints%20hear%20a%20million%20requests%20for%20intercession%20at%20on%20time.

 

[izoid]

You have not followed my reasoning and unless PR’s begun to understand what I’ve posted, she’s with you.​

Comments like these are ‘attack’ mode. Just thought you’d want to know how you’re coming across.

I appreciate the insight. I think they are more defensive than attacking. I was responding to several of the claims that we must only do what scripture says. Then when it serves your point you will say that it is OK because scripture doesn’t say we can’t do it. It really makes no sense.

We are wrong to give veneration to Mary even though it tells us no where in scripture not to. But it is OK for you to hold views that are not explicitly outlined in scripture. It all seems a bit hypocritical to me.

 

[izoid]

Okay, this my first time posting here on this forum. As a protestant, I don’t dislike Mary. I just don’t see the purpose of praying for her intercession. I don’t see it as the same as asking my own mother to pray for me. I see no scriptural evidence that she was given the same omnipresent power as God. If 2 million people are praying to her at the same time, are you saying, and by what scriptural evidence, that she can hear every one of them at one time? So please dont take this as a dislike for Mary, just that none of the apostles of the New Testament told us to or prayed for her intercession.

Respectfully,

Chris

Welcome to the forum and thanks for the post. When I read Revelation it is clear that the saints in heaven are presenting our prayers to God. I do not know how they do it or how they hear them but the Bible clearly shows them doing so.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Yep you are right again and I do agree with you. Jesus is first in my life then my husband then the kids, etc. Jesus is the way not a Church building.

The Catholic Church is the body of Christ and is not a building. Buildings are where we assemble to worship God, the same as Protestants who assemble to worship God. Aren’t those buildings?

 

[Dokimas]

I appreciate the insight. I think they are more defensive than attacking. I was responding to several of the claims that we must only do what scripture says. Then when it serves your point you will say that it is OK because scripture doesn’t say we can’t do it. It really makes no sense.

We are wrong to give veneration to Mary even though it tells us no where in scripture not to. But it is OK for you to hold views that are not explicitly outlined in scripture. It all seems a bit hypocritical to me.

You continue to show either you have not read most of what I’ve said on this issue or you don’t understand me for one reason or another.​

BTW, PR and I have gone around and around with this issue before, I’m not sure why she’s bring this up with me again.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Actually, the passage in John and the Lord’s Supper have nothing in common in the context of the Lord’s Supper, but since Scripture is consistent with itself we can look at John 6:63 and show that indeed He did tell everyone the manner in which He spoke.
6:63
"It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life. — Can Jesus make it or rephrase it for you to make it any clearer?

Then, Paul in 1 Co. 11, way after the Lord’s Supper, gives even more detail into the actual meaning, which of course is symbolic of the fleah and blood shed on the cross of Calvary.
23 For I received from the Lord that which I also delivered to you: that the Lord Jesus on the same night in which He was betrayed took bread; 24and when He had given thanks, He broke it and said, "Take, eat; this is My body which is broken for you; do this in remembrance of Me." 25In the same manner He also took the cup after supper, saying, “This cup is the new covenant in My blood. This do, as often as you drink it, in remembrance of Me.”

26For as often as you eat this bread and drink this cup, you proclaim the Lord’s death till He comes

What could be the reason you do not understand the plain reading of these?

Plain reading, according to a ‘private interpretation’ I have to add.

What is the plain reading of the following verses, underlined for emphasis?

1Co 11:27 Therefore, whosoever shall eat this bread, or drink the chalice of the Lord unworthily, shall be guilty of the body and of the blood of the Lord. 1Co 11:28 But let a man prove himself: and so let him eat of that bread and drink of the chalice.
1Co 11:29 For he that eateth and drinketh unworthily eateth and drinketh judgment to himself, not discerning the body of the Lord.

In reference to John 6:63, St. Paul explains what flesh meant in his letter to the Corinthians.

**1Co 2:14 But the sensual man perceiveth not these things that are of the Spirit of God. For it is foolishness to him: and he cannot understand, because it is spiritually examined.
1Co 2:15 But the spiritual man judgeth all things: and he himself is judged of no man.
1Co 2:16 For who hath known the mind of the Lord, that he may instruct him? But we have the mind of Christ. **

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Sure a lot of people calling other people liars, Hmmm I didn’t think that was permissable?

Some have come out and used the term ‘liar’, while others do the same without directly using the word. For example, Catholics say, ‘we do not worship Mary’ and the Protestant response is, ‘yes you do’.

 

[tweetymom]

And what does the Bible say about believing Mary was ever virgin?

It doesn’t. I know that she was a Virgin when she had Jesus but not after. Already told you Matthew 1:25.

 

[tweetymom]

The Catholic Church is the body of Christ and is not a building. Buildings are where we assemble to worship God, the same as Protestants who assemble to worship God. Aren’t those buildings?

The Church is in the believers not a building.

 

[tweetymom]

Some have come out and used the term ‘liar’, while others do the same without directly using the word. For example, Catholics say, ‘we do not worship Mary’ and the Protestant response is, ‘yes you do’.

Yes you do is quite different than liar.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

The Church is in the believers not a building.

And how is that different from what I said?

 

[Justy90]

If you go back and read this thread you will see that this has been gone over ad naseum.

There is nothing to indicate that the had sexual relations. The term is used to show that they did not have sex at all, before or during her pregnancy. It in no ways asserts that they had sex after.

Go through the thread as the issue has been dealt with in much more detail.

What?? The whole premise of it says nothing to indicate that they didn’t have a normal marriage. Where do you get the idea that it indicates that they didn’t ever have sex?? This is not in accordance with what the Scriptures say here.

 

[Prodigal_Son1]

Yes you do is quite different than liar.

It’s semantics, tweetymom, or is there an acceptable politically correct way to call someone a liar that I’m not aware of? Sadly, both ways tells the other they’re not telling the truth.

 

[lil_flower_luv]

It doesn’t. I know that she was a Virgin when she had Jesus but not after. Already told you Matthew 1:25.

Mary expressed her will to remain a virgin at the moment of the Annunciation (cf. Lk 1:34). Also, “Woman, behold, your son!”, “Behold, your mother” (Jn 19:26), which Jesus addressed to Mary and to his favorite disciple from the Cross, imply that Mary had no other children.