Why do non catholics dislike Mother Mary?

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dmcdevoted said:
I have some non-Catholic friends who wonder the same thing. Here is what I tell them: Here on earth when we are faced with afflictions, don’t we go to our families and friends and ask them to pray for us. When we call on Mary , we are asking for her intercession, what a better way to ask for help with the praying by someone who is already up there.
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I for one will go directly to the Father.
 
tweetymom said:
Timothy I will apology for them. I have never been apoligied by anyone here either, I am glad to have read all your post and your great understanding of Scripture. I agree with you 100% of what you have said and praise God for it. You are truly Blessed of God.
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Thank you; that was very kind of you to say; I owe everything and I mean everything to God. 👍
 
sckcd said:
I don’t know anyone that dislikes Mary. But while most non-Catholics respect her for her role in bringing Jesus to us, we don’t regard her in the same sense Catholics do. I am in RCIA, learning about the church, but I just can’t see Mary like Catholics do. She did a wonderful thing, she played a major role by being His mother, and certainly deserves respect and admiration, but it sometimes seems she is focused on as much as Jesus and that just seems odd if you aren’t Catholic I guess. And as a non-Catholic it is hard to imagine praying to anyone else than Jesus (even though I know you aren’t really worshipping her).
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According to Catholic teaching you are worshiping Mary, saints and relics, it is a matter of degree and the direction of the affection.
The word worship (Saxon weorthscipe, “honour”; from worth, meaning “value”, “dignity”, “price”, and the termination, ship; Latin cultus) in its most general sense is homage paid to a person or a thing. In this sense we may speak of hero-worship, worship of the emperor, of demons, of the angels, even of relics, and especially of the Cross. This article will deal with Christian worship according to the following definition: homage paid to God, to Jesus Christ, to His saints, to the beings or even to the objects which have a special relation to God.

There are several degrees of this worship:
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*  if it is addressed directly to God, it is superior, absolute, supreme worship, or worship of adoration, or, according to the consecrated theological term, a worship of latria. This sovereign worship is due to God alone; addressed to a creature it would become idolatry.
* When worship is addressed only indirectly to God, that is, when its object is the veneration of martyrs, of angels, or of saints, it is a subordinate worship dependent on the first, and relative, in so far as it honours the creatures of God for their peculiar relations with Him; it is designated by theologians as the worship of dulia, a term denoting servitude, and implying, when used to signify our worship of distinguished servants of God, that their service to Him is their title to our veneration (cf. Chollet, loc. cit., col. 2407, and Bouquillon, Tractatus de virtute religionis, I, Bruges, 1880, 22 sq.).
* As the Blessed Virgin has a separate and absolutely supereminent rank among the saints, the worship paid to her is called hyperdulia (for the meaning and history of these terms see Suicer, Thesaurus ecclesiasticus, 1728).
In accordance with these principles it will readily be understood that a certain worship may be offered even to inanimate objects, such as the relics of a martyr, the Cross of Christ, the Crown of Thorns, or even the statue or picture of a saint. There is here no confusion or danger of idolatry, for this worship is subordinate or dependent. The relic of the saint is venerated because of the link which unites it with the person who is adored or venerated; while the statue or picture is regarded as having a conventional relation to a person who has a right to our homage — as being a symbol which reminds us of that person (see Vacant, Diet de théol. cath., s.v. Adoration, and authors cited in bibliography; also ADORATION; IDOLATRY; IMAGES; DEVOTION TO THE BLESSED VIRGIN MARY).

Interior worship is to be distinguished from exterior worship. the former is not manifested by external acts, but consists in internal adoration; but when this inner sentiment is expressed by words or actions, prostration, genuflexion, the sign of the cross, or any other gesture, it becomes exterior worship.
newadvent.org/cathen/15710a.htm
 
Starts at #1193 page 80 - FYI
Prodigal_Son1 said:
Timothy Piper:
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Like many Catholic women who left your church during their fertile years because of disagreement, then come back later on. Just like most American Catholics believe the priests should be allowed to marry; might make it a better place for the kids
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Prodigal_Son1 said:
I’ve reported your post.

Sexual abuse is not limited to any one group of people. It crosses all economic, cultural and religious boundaries and it’s sad that you feel it necessary to post such a statement in an apparent attempt to further demean and bash the Catholic Church.
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Post #1217 page 82 (below)
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Like many Catholic women who left your church during their fertile years because of disagreement, then come back later on. Just like most American Catholics believe the priests should be allowed to marry; might make it a better place for the kids.

I would ask you to please remember where you are and the name of this forum and refrain from any more filthy comments of that nature.
TimothyPiper:
You must have a mind of perversion; I belong to a church where the pastor is married with children, grown children and they not only understand the nature of parent-child relationships, but also have great insights to parenting, which you will get from experience. Many of the pastors children, serve to help other children grow by teaching Sunday School and Vacation Bible School. Therefore, if the priests were allowed to be married and have children; it would be a benefit to kids in that manner, not your perverted thinking.
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Wisdom will always prevail.
 
tweetymom said:
Oh boy and so do I. I praise Him daily for where He brought me and the great love He has shown to me and my family.
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Well I suppose it is time to move on out of this thread; Lord willing I’ll see you around, God bless and keep your eyes upon Jesus! God bless you dear woman. Bye 🙂
 
Timothy_Piper said:
Starts at #1193 page 80 - FYI

Post #1217 page 82 (below)

Wisdom will always prevail.
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It wasn’t as you say, perverted thinking, which is just another ad hominem jab, in my honest opinion. We’ve had that kind of slur said many times on these threads. Now, if you would spend as much time responding to explanations, rather than re-posting the same arguments without acknowledging the Catholic responses, this discussion could truly and honestly progress.
 
Prodigal_Son1 said:
It wasn’t as you say, perverted thinking, which is just another ad hominem jab, in my honest opinion. We’ve had that kind of slur said many times on these threads. Now, if you would spend as much time responding to explanations, rather than re-posting the same arguments without acknowledging the Catholic responses, this discussion could truly and honestly progress.
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Was it not the first thing that came to your mind; I am now supposing that it has been an issue for Catholics on this forum, which is why you made the presumption; therefore I give you the benefit of the doubt because I to would be very sensitive to such a subject. It wasn’t in mine mind at all; I had just spoken prior about how a majority of American Catholics believe the priests should be allow to marry; I agree with that majority because of what I said before. I believe most people would see a great benefit, not only to children, but really everyone. That is my opinion and I’m not a member of your church nor under the authority of a Pope. I can only testify to my own observation and experience, which tells me that pastors who are married and have children are beneficial in many regards as a result of being married with children.

Lord I hope I never come across as nothing but disagreeing with doctrine and making doctrinal distinction using Scripture and not make things too personal; especially with direct insults.

Lord willing; I will see you around, this thread will be closed shortly from what I have gathered form some other poster plus I have nothing else to add that i haven’t already stated.

Anyway; I’m putting it behind me and I am not angry with you and I wish you all the best in you spiritual walk. 🙂
 
Timothy_Piper said:
Worship: 1) Love unquestioningly and uncritically or to excess; venerate as an idol
2) The condition of being worthy; honour, distinction

Veneration: When worship is addressed only indirectly to God, that is, when its object is the veneration of martyrs, of angels, or of saints, it is a subordinate worship dependent on the first, and relative, in so far as it honours the creatures of God for their peculiar relations with Him; it is designated by theologians as the worship of dulia, a term denoting servitude, and implying, when used to signify our worship of distinguished servants of God, that their service to Him is their title to our veneration.

Your church uses the term interchangeably; matter of degree and direction of the affection.

I would be more concerned about the first two commandments and the final effect on my soul; but that is between each individual person and God; with God being the just judge.
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I am so glad you finally get it. As you have bolded, worship is only directed to God, it may be indirect but it is to God only. You see, we do not worship Mary, we worship God and venerate Mary.
 
Timothy_Piper said:
You can’t prove a negative; something that doesn’t exist. You and PRMerger should hang out together if you don’t already. i have a feeling you both would hit it off as friends.
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You try to be real smart but you are starting to falter Timothy 👍. You stated that there were no priests present at the celebration of the Lord’s Supper in the NT. Since everything you believe comes from scripture you should easily be able to present the verse that supports that. This is not asking you to prove a negative, it is asking you to justify your claim. If scripture doesn’t say it, how do you know it?

By your reasoning I could say that there was a priest present. You would say that it does not say that and then ask me to prove it. I do not believe you would accept your response above, can’t prove a negative. 🤷

Remember, you are the sola scriptura guy. Maybe not in this case, huh?
 
Timothy_Piper said:
You must have a mind of perversion; I belong to a church where the pastor is married with children, grown children and they not only understand the nature of parent-child relationships, but also have great insights to parenting, which you will get from experience. Many of the pastors children, serve to help other children grow by teaching Sunday School and Vacation Bible School. Therefore, if the priests were allowed to be married and have children; it would be a benefit to kids in that manner, not your perverted thinking.
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YOu are as insincere as you are arrogant. A stellar model of a Christian man. :eek:
 
Timothy_Piper said:
You won’t see many apologies; which is another indication of the heart.
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When was the last time you apologized for offending people Timothy? I know I and several others have pointed out to you how you come across. I don’t ever recall an apology. In fact, I think you lectured us on how we were wrong. What does that tell us about your heart?
 
Timothy_Piper said:
You overlook Paul’s explanation and how the church in Acts responded, by the breaking of bread w/o any priest or consecration et al. Paul makes it crystal clear in 1 Co. 11.

If the Bible is not the only source of divine revelation outside of creation, then anythings goes.
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Outrageous !! How can you pick and choose which verses to believe and which not to? In the very verse you give me 1 co. 11 it reads: “6For if a wife will not cover her head, then she should cut her hair short.” ???

So do all protestant women have either covered heads or short hair ?
 
Seems like protestants dont like it how catholics do “extra” stuff with God. Communion, confession, praying to saints, and Mary, Holy water… etc…

They say -“that stuff just aint in the bible” -so they smear our traditions, and accuse us of idol worship. They re-interpret the whole bible in their own attempt to fix the “mistakes” of the Catholic Church…

They redefine the word “Church” to mean the building that individuals go to to pray individually to their God. Each person interprets Gods word individually, and is his own individual intercessor to Jesus. There is no more body, no more rules, no more control, no more heiarchy… Just individual choices.

The age of individualism. The Catholic Church stood strong, --even through the age of individualism.

She will continue to stand strong --until Jesus comes again.
 
To see Mary in a new light, (one that individualistic persons maybe can’t) you might be able to understand the old time Catholics who saw Mary as their own Mother… They really did believe that the Church was One Body, One Spirit in Christ…

There wasnt this individualistic attitude, so asking for the intercession of Mary was like asking one of your own.
If you do no claim her as your mother, then do not claim to know her through the bible.

She is Our mother. We are not individuals, We are one. One Body in Christ.

We are the Church.
 
Protestants dont want to be part of our family anymore… They want to escape from their brothers and sisters who are strict… They dont want to have to tell the priests their sins, they want to be “individuals”.

But they still love God. So maybe God still loves them. 🙂

They’re just our “black sheep” brothers and sisters… Still part of the family, just black sheep.
 
When you were a baby, you counted on your mommy for everything…

As a child of God, I still and always ask my mother for help…

This church is for real… We are ONE BIG FAMILY… You can come home anytime. 🙂
 
izoid said:
Wow, this is beginning to be a pattern with you Timothy. I have now read several posts indicating your prideful, arrogant attitude. You respond the same way each time; we are wrong.

You might care to reevaluate your approach and make a self evaluation. If more than one person is feeling the same way about you it could be because it is true. 🤷
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hateful, prideful, arrogant, You seem to use this type of attack alot.😦
 
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