Why do non catholics dislike Mother Mary?

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TEPO said:
Thanks PR for acknowledging my posts… Its not that I dislike individualism in society, its just absurd to me that people feel the need to change the Church in this way as well…

I think this is why the Protestants do not ultimately acknowledge Mary… Because they want no involvement in a Church that claims to be “One Body, One Spirit” in Christ. The idea of Mary being OUR mother disrupts the whole “individualism” thing.

Just my opinion… Thanks for listening. 😊
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Catholics glorify Mary because oranges grow on trees and vests have no sleeves.
 
MyRdmrLvs said:
If she was dishonest she would avoid all the grief her Christian family is giving her.
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But then she also wouldn’t be getting all the Protestants querulously telling us to “leave the poor, sweet little old lady alone” either. 😛

Clearly, there is some positive repercussions to her in proclaiming to be a Catholic here while espousing Episcopalian or Methodist or Church of God beliefs. 🤷
 
PRmerger said:
What say you, MRL, to the fact that [SIGN1]Protestant reformers also burned Catholics at the stakes, [/SIGN1]in order to root out any Catholics who disagreed with the particular doctrines espoused by that local Protestant sect?
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They were every bit as horrid as the Catholics who did it, and I dont believe they were guided by the Holy Spirtit either.
 
I don’t think that Non Catholics dislike Mary Mother of Jesus but they feel that they don’t need her to act as a mediator to talk to Jesus Christ.

They feel that that can walk, talk and converse directly with Jesus, That is what empowers them not passing messages thru an intermediatory, be it a priest, a bishop, a pope or even Jesus’s mother but direct communication.

Most non catholic christian religions have a problems with the desire of the catholic church to interceed between them and God. They feel that no person born on earth other that Jesus has the right, the authority to speak on behalf God. No Human being is infallable.

When Jesus returns (Book of Revelations) He alone will rule on earth, No Popes to pretend that their God.
 
Mary and the Saints intercede by talking or praying to Christ for us, and with us. It all goes through Christ, it just adds a few more people onto the list of people that are praying for us is all.
 
MyRdmrLvs said:
Catholics glorify Mary because oranges grow on trees and vests have no sleeves.
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:banghead:

Oh dear, this is like verbal diarrhea. Do you normally pretend to talk with expertise concerning things you know little about?

Catholics and Orthodox honor the Mother of God because she bore the God of the universe in her womb. Why don’t you follow the Bible? She said “all generations shall call me blessed.” (Luke 1:48)

In Christ,
Andrew
 
PRmerger said:
All these assumptions have already borne out into the reality of 40,000 Christian denominations–each reading the same Scriptures (ok, give or take 7 books), but coming to different conclusions–sometimes even contrary conclusions.

This chaos and confusion is most certainly *not *God’s will, but is a paradigm designed in hell.

All these assumptions have done is provide the Evil One with a way to foster more chaos in the Christian family.
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I agree with you, and think it is disgusting that there are “40000” Christian denominations. However, the Catholic Church should take some responsibility for that, the leadership was responsible in part for many of the people that fell away and formed their own denominations. Why are there Orthodox, Anglican or other churches?? This isn’t Catholics vs. Protestants, ALL Christians were at one time Catholics.

Christians need to come back together as one, and instead of all the infighting we should all focus on loving one another, being brothers and sisters towards each other and deciding how we all get back to being one Christian family. If that’s the Catholic Church, fine, but right now current Catholics come off as uppity and “know it alls”, even though there have been numerous evil, vile acts committed by those in the Church over the years. We must all be conciliatory and respectful of each other, what matters is whether we love Jesus Christ, believe in the Trinity, and walk in His ways. Do any of you think God looks down and is happy with any of the “Churches”(Catholic or otherwise)?? You may want to defend the Church or others may want to defend their denomination, but in our hearts we know we are all falling way, way short of God’s Will. I pray for us all.
 
izoid said:
Are you aware of the horrible crimes committed by protestants? Do you know the punishment for not going to church in the early American settlements? The Puritan settlements. He who lives in glass houses should not throw stones.
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the difference is I dont claim that my church is the right church because it has never been wrong. People who do such horrible things cant be trusted to pass on sound doctrine. Christianity spread across the world while being persecuted. how can anyone believe that becoming the persecutor was necessary to save the church.
My church is nondenominational we believe in the 5 disciplines, Prayer(to God) Giving, fellowship, Bible and ministry. We minister to orphans , widows(mostly in Uganda) addicts and alcoholics, and have a chaplain that goes into our local jail and does weekly services. We have a ministry to mentor troubled youth. and we send out a mission team almost every year. we do this with a congregation of around 200 people.
 
lil_flower_luv said:
Yes, but she calls herself Catholic! It is like saying, “I am against abortion and all it stands for, and will try to do whatever it takes to get people not to have them, but tomorrow I am scheduled to get an abortion myself.” It doesn’t make any sense.

You and others only defend her because you agree with her.
Other Catholics have been frustrated with her, and she has most likely not seen their best side, and so she turns to those who have agreed with her and will comfort her.
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perhaps she drawn to them by their fruit.
 
rev_kevin said:
How do you know these men are infallible? Who says they are?
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It is the Holy Spirit who is infallible and who speaks through the appointed shepherds of the Church by* Apostolic Succession*. And so, in the words of Pope John XXlll: I never speak infallibly.

Simon Peter said in reply, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.” Jesus said to him in reply, “Blessed are you Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father.”
Matthew 16, 16-17

“I have much more to tell you, but you cannot bear it now. But when he comes, the Spirit of truth, he will guide you to all truth. He will not speak on his own, but he will speak what he hears, and will declare to you the things that are coming. He will glorify me, because he will take from what is mine and declare it to you.”
John 16, 12-14

Papal infallibilty and the infallibility of the Universal Magisterium and Ecumenical Councils are a charism of the Holy Spirit which serves to safeguard the Church from pronouncing decrees and teaching erroneously.

“But it has, on the otherhand, been shown, that the preaching of the Church is everywhere consistent, and continues in an even course, and receivestestimony from the prophets, the apostles, and all the disciples or in the Church, it is said, ‘God has set apostles, prophets, teachers,’ and all the other means through which the Spirit works; of which all those are not partakers who do not join themselves to the Church, but defraud themselvs of life through their perverse opinions and infamous behaviour. For where the Church is there is the Spirit of God; an where the Spirit of God is, there is the Church, and every kind of grace; but the Spirit is truth.”
*St. Irenaeus, Against Heresies, 3:24 (A.D. 180)
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“And Peter, on whom the Church of Christ is built, against which the gates of hell shall not prevail…”
Origen, Commentary on John 5:3 (A.D. 232)

“But the word of the Lord which came through the ecumenical Synod at Nicea abides forever.”
St. Athanasius, To the Bishops of Africa (A.D. 372)

Pax vobiscum :harp:
 
MyRdmrLvs said:
They were every bit as horrid as the Catholics who did it, and I dont believe they were guided by the Holy Spirtit either.
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Ah! I finally get why you keep referring to this “burning at the stakes” thing.

Let me just make it clear what the Catholic position is: we don’t believe that the burnings at the stakes were guided by the Holy Spirit, either.

That is just :whacky:
 
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graceandglory:
I bet her priest knows what most priests know if they kick out every catholic that doesn’t believe every catholic doctrine. they wouldn’t have a congregation left.
 
MyRdmrLvs said:
the difference is I dont claim that my church is the right church because it has never been wrong.
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That, too, is simply :whacky:

The Magisterium does not teach error in the areas of faith and morals.

That is quite different from saying the CC is the right church because it has “never been wrong.”
 
MyRdmrLvs said:
I bet her priest knows what most priests know if they kick out every catholic that doesn’t believe every catholic doctrine. they wouldn’t have a congregation left.
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Do you know any Catholic Churches that “kick out catholics that don’t believe every catholic doctrine?”

You show a deficient knowledge of Catholic teaching.

All are welcome in our church.
 
Dokimas said:

I’m a poor speller so no big deal.​

Thank you for your comments.​

I’ve responded to the idea of cousin many times. The same word is used for the relationship between James and John, Andrew and Peter. I believe that Kev found a verse that used the term cousin. I’m not sure where it is. Maybe Kev or the other person who found it will share it again.
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The major difference is that Matt. was written first in Aramaic, which has no word for cousin. Near kin who were raised like siblings are called brothers and sisters. This does not mean the are born of the same parents.
 
Dokimas said:
Here we go again… first born — Why did the Holy Spirit tell us in no uncertain terms that Jesus is the Father’s ONLY Begotten Son? He made it quite clear. All the Holy Spirit would have to do is say, Jesus, the Only Begotten Son of Mary. He chose not to. WHY?
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Because the Holy Spirit knew that [SIGN]God’s Revelation would not be reserved to only the written word. [/SIGN] He knew that He’d give us the Church to make it clear for us what His Word meant.
 
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