Why do non catholics dislike Mother Mary?

[PRmerger]

Hold On are you saying her soul is in jeopardy for not believing in praying to Mary???

Nope. We do not judge the status of her soul.

Also, no Catholic is required to pray to Mary.

 

[MyRdmrLvs]

Besides the debate on whether or not tweet is representing the church as she should, have the others gotten a better grasp of what Catholics do believe in terms of Mary?

I think I have. It hadn’t occurred to me that Mary must hear millions of prayers per minute that doesnt seem possible for a human, maybe a god. But they dont worship her. I am more convinced than ever that there is no scriptural support for the Catholic version of Mary. But that doesnt matter because tradition seems to carry more wait than the Bible. I still dont dislike Mary, I look forward to meeting her. I didn’t realize they believe she was sinless.

 

[PRmerger]

I don’t think that Non Catholics dislike Mary Mother of Jesus but they feel that they don’t need her to act as a mediator to talk to Jesus Christ.

They feel that that can walk, talk and converse directly with Jesus, That is what empowers them not passing messages thru an intermediatory, be it a priest, a bishop, a pope or even Jesus’s mother but direct communication.

Most non catholic christian religions have a problems with the desire of the catholic church to interceed between them and God. They feel that no person born on earth other that Jesus has the right, the authority to speak on behalf God. No Human being is infallable.

When Jesus returns (Book of Revelations) He alone will rule on earth, No Popes to pretend that their God.

Wow. There’s so much misunderstanding of the Catholic Church in this post.

Firstly, [SIGN]our Popes do not pretend that they’re God.[/SIGN]

Secondly, you do believe that some human beings were infallible at some point: when the inspired writers wrote the Sacred Scriptures, and when the council of Bishops declared what books were to be included in the Bible.

Thirdly, Catholics feel they can walk, talk and converse directly with Jesus, too!

Fourthly, aren’t we all mediators for each other, bringing Christ to one another?

 

[guanophore]

And so can the Bishop’s, Pope’s who interpetered the Bible and gave your Dogma’s be wrong. There is not a human being that is infallible, we are all fallible.

Actually Rev, the dogma’s came before the bible. The doctrine of the Catholic Church comes from Jesus Himself, through the Apostles. it is expressed in the NT, but the NT is not the Source of it. Jesus is the Source.

The reason we need the gift of infallibility is because men are fallible. The only way we can create something infallible is by God’s grace.

 

[MyRdmrLvs]

Do you believe Judas had free will?

yes

 

[Good_Fella]

Because the Holy Spirit knew that [SIGN]God’s Revelation would not be reserved to only the written word. [/SIGN] He knew that He’d give us the Church to make it clear for us what His Word meant.

:yup: :clapping: :dancing: :extrahappy:

The irony of it is that Protestants have differed on the meaning of the written word since the 16th century, and as a result there are countless traditions and denominations in the Protestant movement.

PAX :heaven:

 

[guanophore]

How do you know these men are infallible? Who says they are?

It is not the MEN but the act. When men act under the power of the HS, they can produce an infallible result. This is how scripture was written.Men, inspired by God, spoke from the HS. The act of penning the scripture was infallible - preserved from error by God, just as He promised.

 

[MyRdmrLvs]

MRL,
You are not disturbing me.
We are all working out our salvation in fear and trembling.
It begins with humility. I have learned a lot today. God bless you.

Yes I agree, I think we often read into peoples posts a tone that is not always intended.

 

[MyRdmrLvs]

As a matter of fact I would pat him on the back for having a mind of his own. Then I would find another church.

I would use my Bible to silence his false teaching.

 

[MyRdmrLvs]

You are in opposition to your own church’s teaching regarding the Real Presence. Catholics believe that the Eastern Orthodox churches posses it as well. Why do you defy church teaching on this matter?

GET THE STAKE! just kidding!

 

[guanophore]

I didn’t agree with you. I don’t believe the Catholic church has any power or authority. I don’t believe they are the one true Church. I believe they are fallible. So don’t say I agree with you because I don’t.

Do you think the NT Church was Catholic?

If not, when did the CC start?

Do you think they ever had any authority?

If there is no such gift as infallibility, how can you depend upon anything with regard to the faith? If God is not able to preserve His word through men, how can you trust that the bible is valid?

 

[MyRdmrLvs]

You are living in fantasy land, Cristian. Love hurts unto death. It was Love that resulted in our Saviour being crucified on the cross. To say that Love does not produce harm shows a lack of understanding of love. It was love that prompted the annihilation of whole communites of people by the nation of Israel.

However, I do agree that the way to advance the Kingdom of Heaven is by evangelism, not exhile or death penalty.

However, it is not useful to interpret the actions of previous eras by the values and practices of our own.

Actually, Jesus told us to love our enemies. for several hundred years the church was persecuted it wasnt as though they started out killing people and then evolved into the loving people we are today.

 

[MyRdmrLvs]

So it’s not just belief, then, that’s required for salvation? Is it just belief that’s required to be called a Christian, MRL?

What you are called is irrelevant what matters is that your name is written in the Lambs book of life.
Belief is what is required for salvation but that belief will bring about action. if it doesn’t bring about action then you better take a hard look at whether you really believe.

 

[MyRdmrLvs]

If you follow that reasoning, MRL, *any *time that you are not praying to God is not enough.

Indeed, each and every stroke you make on your keyboard to write a post here is splitting your time away from God.

If you truly believe what you say above in your post, you ought not spend any time talking to your family, either.

I type slow so I abbreviate my posts at the expense of clarity. I was tying to enplane the thought process that lead me to the conclusion: that just because a Catholic may pray to Mary part of their prayer time, they still might pray more to the Father than I do. Then I wondered what percentage of a catholics prayers are directed to the Father?

 

[MyRdmrLvs]

This post was not directed towards you. I do not know where you got that impression? It was part of a conversation I was having with Dokimas.

no but having been the subject of your misjudgments. I could relate. If you expect a private conversation perhaps a “forum” is not a good place.

 

[ElizabethPH]

I type slow so I abbreviate my posts at the expense of clarity. I was tying to enplane the thought process that lead me to the conclusion: that just because a Catholic may pray to Mary part of their prayer time, they still might pray more to the Father than I do. Then I wondered what percentage of a catholics prayers are directed to the Father?

I pray the Hours. They all are directed to the Father. I also pray the Rosary it is also directed to the Father. I pray some Marian prayers they are also directed to the Father. Whether our prayers ask for intercession of a saint or not they are all directed to the Father. And as someone has already mentioned the Mass is all directed to the Father but for part of a very small prayer that is ‘and I ask blessed Mary, ever virgin, all the angels and saints, and you my brothers and sisters, to pray for me to the Lord our God.’ And that as well is directed to the Father.

 

[MyRdmrLvs]

You are incorrect in your conclusion. Refusing to allow division and heresy in the Church is a Biblical teaching.

Let me ask, can I be a baptist if I haven’t been dunked?

She is not the one calling for division you are. what heresy?

 

[MyRdmrLvs]

You are incorrect in your conclusion. Refusing to allow division and heresy in the Church is a Biblical teaching.

Let me ask, can I be a baptist if I haven’t been dunked?

Yes you can be a baptist pre baptism but a baptist can be clearly shown in Gods word why he should get dunked.

 

[MyRdmrLvs]

I find it very self serving that the only people who display a God like attitude or “fruits” are those who oppose Catholic teaching. Makes you kinda of biased wouldn’t you say?

I have seen Christlike qualities from some catholics on this forum.

 

[MyRdmrLvs]

We already worked it out a couple of days ago. I am not sure why MRL grabbed an old post and attributed it to himself.

I didnt