Why do non catholics dislike Mother Mary?

[andrewv33]

You say that scripture can lead you to any understanding that" we choose". But is that what you want? or do you want it to speak to you as it was intended? If you just read it and let it speak to you without someone telling you what they want it to say, you come to a different conclusions. It is understandable that you can little afford to do that as I am sure you have many wonderful people in your life who are RCC and you might fear being rejected if you deviate from standard teachings. the 2000 years you speak of did not have all the church bodies in agreement about everything and because only the church leaders had the scriptures the rest of the population had to trust them for the truth. When more people were able to read the Bible for themselves they started to question the teachings and the condition of the church. I havent read the details yet but didn’t Saint Francis question the condition of the church? When you claim the practices dont contradict scripture arent you forgetting your first point?

I agree:thumbsup:

 

[andrewv33]

Nothing Wrong with mother Mary.

The problem is that non-catholics do not believe that mortals should pray to mortals, mortals are dead and have no connection to this world since they have not been resurrected.
Mary cannot grant wishes, only God through Christ! as per scripture not by man!

 

[Randy_Carson]

Ive got to agree with my catholic brother on this one. He is correct.

Many thanks, MyRdmrLvs. That was a HUGE admission.

 

[Randy_Carson]

I have heard that. however the question is were they right that the church needed reforms.

Absolutely.

Another question is: Were they right in having people killed?

Or: If non-Catholics expect to get a lot of apologetics mileage out of the Crusades or the Inquisition(s), then shouldn’t they have to answer questions about similar actions by Protestant leaders?

OR: If these events prove that the Catholic Church has lost all moral authority and ascendancy, then what do Protestant versions of them prove about those ecclesial communities which were not founded directly by Jesus Christ but by men who thought they could do better but apparently didn’t?

 

[Randy_Carson]

Thanks For the lesson Randy. I’ve never been very good at that. You explained it perfect.

:tiphat:

 

[Randy_Carson]

No I don’t think they did.

We should be precise here. Indulgences are and always will be part of the Catholic faith. Why that is the case will be explained below.

What did stop was the unauthorized abuse surrounding the “sale” of indulgences - a practice that was NEVER part of Catholic doctrine.

Now, for those that are interested, the following articles will explain indulgences properly:

Articles on Indulgences

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A PRIMER ON INDULGENCES
By James Akin
catholic.com/library/primer_on_indulgences.asp

**MYTHS ABOUT INDULGENCES **
By James Akin
catholic.com/thisrock/1994/9411fea1sb2.asp
What’s Wrong with a Little Indulgence?
By Jimmy Akin
catholic.com/thisrock/2006/0609fea3.asp

 

[rovimax]

I have nothing against Mary, i dont even know why this topic exists.
I read John 19:26,27 and many professing catholics take this as meaning that now they can worship her. But this forum should say why do many people do not want to pray to a person that is dead. She is not in heaven for judgement day is not here!

You are far away from your studies and understanding of the scriptures. *Mary is full of *grace, how can you say those things? If ever you had the opportunity to create you own mother will you leave her behind to perish? You are insulting Jesus with those staements.

 

[andrewv33]

You are far away from your studies and understanding of the scriptures. *Mary is full of *grace, how can you say those things? If ever you had the opportunity to create you own mother will you leave her behind to perish? You are insulting Jesus with those staements.

I agree that if she was chose bu God than she was special.
You perception of where she is now i dont see any biblical assertion to support that she is with God and Christ in heaven. In fact it is made clear in the NT that only God and Christ are in heaven. I want to believe your statement but if you show me biblically then my hats of to you. But i was only responding to the forum question.

 

[Dokimas]

The Church did reform. See Martin Luther wasn’t the only one that realized there were changes needed. Martin Luther’s mistake was to ‘throw the baby out with the bathwater’, or to assume he could improve the Church Christ started. Now, let’s look at the ‘improvement’ of the Church Luther started. It has splintered and dissected until we have thousands of denominations, all with slight to great differences in doctrines, ALL based on someone’s private interpretation.

Of course it seems defense of Martin Luther seems to always stop when documentation is produced showing he believed in some Catholic beliefs…

I was referring to a comment made about Tweetymom.​

Remember, Martin Luther was the ‘baby’ that was thrown out.​

Of course he believe much of the catholic teaching. He didn 't want to leave. He only wanted to have wrong things corrected.​

BTW, if you haven’t noticed, I don’t think I’ve ever quoted Martin Luther to defend what I think is true. Not because I don’t respect his understanding, but because I try to use the Bible as my source of information (not exclusively).

 

[tweetymom]

Nothing Wrong with mother Mary.

The problem is that non-catholics do not believe that mortals should pray to mortals, mortals are dead and have no connection to this world since they have not been resurrected.
Mary cannot grant wishes, only God through Christ! as per scripture not by man!

Amen to that!

 

[MyRdmrLvs]

You know, people who don’t agree with the Catholic Church tend to decry the injustices of sinful men, as if it condemns everyone that belongs to that Church. Yet they cannot offer ONE single sinless Church themselves, but they can find it in themselves to continue to ‘cast the first stone’. The whole argument is senseless. It’s like saying sinful men have beaten Christ’s Church.

The same people argue against the ‘authority’ of a Church, but to do so publically to people loyal to the authority of the Church being spoken against, puts the accuser in the position of assuming their own authority. Where does the Bible tell anyone that each person shall be an authority? Everytime a question like that is raised, we see but people were burned at the stake, or the inquisition! Do you forget the Puritans and the witch hunts, in this very country which is only a little over 200 years old itself? Do you think the reformers didn’t play a part of having people killed who didn’t agree with them?

As a person who has used the argument that you are speaking of ,let me state very clearly, I believe that there are and there always has been good, God loving, Christlike people in the Roman Catholic Church( I can only assume this as I dont personally know any). there has no doubt been good Christlike leadership at times in the Roman Catholic church.
There is no excuse for any Christian to use violence against an individual in the defense of Christianity. Jesus says they will know them by their fruit. Violence is fruit that must be considered. Torture is a corruption so vile it can not be ignored. So what can a person do, If Both side claim they have the true Gospel, yet they both have histories of violence? What does the church say about their history of violence? I turn to Gods word to see who is right. Who is faithfully following the great commission? Who is teaching the gospel as it is found in Gods word? What church leaders are the most Christlike? Who do I know in my community that demonstrate Christlike qualities?

 

[MyRdmrLvs]

That’s just sad. Do you deny the Apostles travelled to Rome? At the time of Christ, Rome ruled the world, what better place for Christ’s Church to rule from? It proves Christ’s Church overcame it’s biggest opposition to Christianity!

Christ announced the building of His Church at Caesarea Philippi, named by Herod Philip, in honor of the ruling Caesar. This place was a place of pagan worship, once named Panion, the city of Pan in honor of the pagan God Pan. Christ chose a place that was keeping men from the kingdom of heaven to start His Church to lead people to heaven.

The power of God overcame those ruling places of flesh and spirit to bring people to His kingdom!

The stigma some people try to make because it’s in Rome is ridiculous.

I would challenge the leadership of one man over the whole church whether he is in Rome, Paris or Kathmandu. Look how successful Christianity spread even while being persecuted,without a central authority.

 

[MyRdmrLvs]

Evidently you haven’t studied the history of the Protestant reformation. Martin Luther left the Catholic Church and defended his actions by standing on his interpretation of scriptures, because it was the only interpretation that mattered.

It wasn’t long after his leaving the Catholic Church, Luther’s followers left him based on their own private interpretation of scriptures. People have been fragmenting Churches ever since. Now people choose Churches based on those that more closely fit their lifestyle, rather than try to fit their lifestyle to the Church.

Swingly(sp?) and Calvin were not followers of Luther, reformation was called for by many more, these were the most notable survivors who developed a following. there were other lesser known reformers.

here is a chart of the reformers, what they beleived(breifly) what they wrote, who inspired them and how they died. it should be noted that many reformers did not want to split from the Catholic church.
religionfacts.com/christianity/charts/protestant_reformers.htm

 

[SHW]

I don’t think that Non Catholics dislike Mary Mother of Jesus but they feel that they don’t need her to act as a mediator to talk to Jesus Christ.

They feel that that can walk, talk and converse directly with Jesus, That is what empowers them not passing messages thru an intermediatory, be it a priest, a bishop, a pope or even Jesus’s mother but direct communication.

Most non catholic christian religions have a problems with the desire of the catholic church to interceed between them and God. They feel that no person born on earth other that Jesus has the right, the authority to speak on behalf God. No Human being is infallable.

When Jesus returns (Book of Revelations) He alone will rule on earth, No Popes to pretend that their God.

All Christians are supposed to intercede for others. Prayer is intercession.

Jeremiah 27:18
But if they are prophets, and if the word of the LORD is with them, let them now make intercession to the LORD of hosts, that the vessels which are left in the house of the LORD, in the house of the king of Judah, and at Jerusalem, do not go to Babylon.’

1 Timothy 2:1-2
Therefore I exhort first of all that supplications, prayers, intercessions, and giving of thanks be made for all men, 2 for kings and all who are in authority, that we may lead a quiet and peaceable life in all godliness and reverence.

For example, if you pray for your enemy, he then becomes a better person.

Acts 2:42
And they continued steadfastly in the apostles’ doctrine and fellowship, in the breaking of bread, and in prayers.

Acts 12:5
Peter was therefore kept in prison, but constant prayer was offered to God for him by the church.

We are all one body in Christ, whether on earth or in heaven. Those in heaven intercede for us on earth and will continue to do so until we are all together in heaven.

 

[PRmerger]

I would challenge the leadership of one man over the whole church whether he is in Rome, Paris or Kathmandu. Look how successful Christianity spread even while being persecuted,without a central authority.

Do you not think Peter was the leader of the church after Jesus’ resurrection?