Why do non-Catholics try to use our Scriptures against us?

[GregoryPalamas]

No offense, but you seem full of the anti-Protestant hate that Catholics accuse them of! We get angry when we see “anti-Catholic” sites, but I’m seeing so much “anti-Protestant” stuff here…full of anger. I don’t understand how we can’t just love all our brothers and sisters. It truly makes me sad.

I am stating a simple truth. No malice at all.

You should really get familiar with the period after the Protestant Reformation. In fact, focus in upon the period from 1550 until about 1823. Learn who did what and why. Don’t just read the Deistic/Protestant diatribes. Read how the Protestant and Atheistic kings killed Catholic leaders. How they killed native Americans in both Western Hemispheric continents and blamed the treachery upon Catholics.

Surprisingly I don’t hate Protestants. I don’t blame them for the lies their anscestors told or even the murders and robberies and almost endless treacheries. I don’t blame present protestants for the murders of priests in France or for the desecration of Churches including Notre Dame.

I just want both Protestants and Catholics to look seriously at what is true, in this case what is true about the Scriptures. It is only upon the basis of truth can we both be free.

Please, don’t judge my spiritual state.

CDL

 

[GregoryPalamas]

The point people are missing, though, is that just as Catholics BELIEVE the Bible was written by Catholics, the Protestants BELIEVE it was not. Most don’t believe that the Christian Church of the Apostles was the Catholic Church of today. Whether right or wrong, that is the Protestant belief. That said, they are just as justified in using scripture as Catholics are.

What is the point of stopping at erroneous opinions and believing those errors to be true? Proclaiming something to be truth that is false does not make it true. There are some things that are true and some opinions that are false. Trust that which is true. Not that which is false.

CDL

 

[GregoryPalamas]

*Getting back to the subject of this thread… *
As it comes to non-Catholics using scripture against us, I think they are stuck on themselves, they want to control themselves and others and don’t want to submit fully to the will of the God, unless it is on their terms. many are also ignorant on the history of scripture or the Church. Many are trully sincere in what they believe, that is way it is important to respond in love as we deepen our own understanding with prayer as we learn more about our own beliefs and the teachings of the Church.
Peace…

Now this makes sense and conforms to what I’ve observed to be true.

CDL

 

[boppaid]

IYou should really get familiar with the period after the Protestant Reformation. In fact, focus in upon the period from 1550 until about 1823. Learn who did what and why. Don’t just read the Deistic/Protestant diatribes. Read how the Protestant and Atheistic kings killed Catholic leaders. How they killed native Americans in both Western Hemispheric continents and blamed the treachery upon Catholics. I just want both Protestants and Catholics to look seriously at what is true, in this case what is true about the Scriptures. It is only upon the basis of truth can we both be free.

I’m sure Protestants can come up with a ton of examples of the Catholic Church’s hand in violence as well. That’s a silly game to play because we are not the sum of the mistakes made in our religion’s past.

Please, don’t judge my spiritual state.

I wouldn’t dream of it. I simply stated the truth…you SOUND angry to me.

 

[boppaid]

What is the point of stopping at erroneous opinions and believing those errors to be true? Proclaiming something to be truth that is false does not make it true. There are some things that are true and some opinions that are false. Trust that which is true. Not that which is false.

CDL

And I’m trying to show you that they are saying the same thing about Catholics!

 

[GregoryPalamas]

I’m sure Protestants can come up with a ton of examples of the Catholic Church’s hand in violence as well. That’s a silly game to play because we are not the sum of the mistakes made in our religion’s past.

I wouldn’t dream of it. I simply stated the truth…you SOUND angry to me.

I guess, I just don’t enjoy being judged. In any event the point is that the violence and coverup was designed to discredit the Church. But you are right, it doesn’t prove anything regarding the authorship of the Scriptures.

What is clear is that the Scriptures were written by the Church and for the Church. Nothing else makes any difference. It’s nice that non-Apostolic people wish to use them but it is not nice when they are used against the Church whose Scriptures they are. That is my analogy to the offensive tactics employed by the Protestants since their revolt. The point I’ve made has nothing to do with emotions. It has everything to do with my objection to non Apostolic christians misusing our Scriptures.

CDL

 

[GregoryPalamas]

And I’m trying to show you that they are saying the same thing about Catholics!

What I’m saying in response is that it makes no difference at all to my point. Protestants and other non-Apostolic christians should not use our Scriptures as if they are ipso facto evidence against us.

CDL

 

[dessert]

Why we all know it is because they are the students and we are the teachers Dessert

 

[boppaid]

I guess, I just don’t enjoy being judged.

Again, I’m terribly sorry you feel judged. Simply stating how you “sound” to me is not judging, though…it’s stating a fact that I am interpreting your tone to be a certain way. The only reason I’m elaborating on this point is because I feel it is wrong to judge and I don’t want you under that impression.

What is clear is that the Scriptures were written by the Church and for the Church. Nothing else makes any difference. It’s nice that non-Apostolic people wish to use them but it is not nice when they are used against the Church whose Scriptures they are. That is my analogy to the offensive tactics employed by the Protestants since their revolt. The point I’ve made has nothing to do with emotions. It has everything to do with my objection to non Apostolic christians misusing our Scriptures.

While it is clear to you, it is not clear to the Protestants whom you are debating. And since you are engaged in a debate with them when they “use scripture against your viewpoint”, it makes all the difference in the world.

 

[boppaid]

What I’m saying in response is that it makes no difference at all to my point. Protestants and other non-Apostolic christians should not use our Scriptures as if they are ipso facto evidence against us.

CDL

I think we’re going 'round and 'round here! LOL THey are probably saying “I hate when Catholics use OUR scripture against US!” Everyone thinks it’s “their” scripture, so rather than debating “whose” scripture it is, it would seem much more fruitful to simply debate the points made from scripture. If a Protestant uses scripture against you in a debate, debate it. It’s as simple as that. It shouldn’t be difficult, if you feel that it’s “your” scripture anyway!

Is that more clear? I’m having a difficult time finding the right words to get my points across.

 

[Melchior]

I know that this question is raised often but usually within the context of other questions. It just puzzles me why people think they should do it or even could do it.

As a United Methodist Pastor I knew that the Catholics were right years before I converted. I never used the Scriptures to attack the Church. I couldn’t understand then nor do I understand now why non or anti-Catholic think they can use the Scriptures against those by whom and for whom they exist.

Perhaps someone has an answer for this.

CDL

Because they don’t think the Scriptures belong to Catholics. So they believe they are using their scriptures against those who they believe ignores or twists them.

 

[cleargospel99]

**2Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will. **

 

[GregoryPalamas]

Again, I’m terribly sorry you feel judged. Simply stating how you “sound” to me is not judging, though…it’s stating a fact that I am interpreting your tone to be a certain way. The only reason I’m elaborating on this point is because I feel it is wrong to judge and I don’t want you under that impression.

While it is clear to you, it is not clear to the Protestants whom you are debating. And since you are engaged in a debate with them when they “use scripture against your viewpoint”, it makes all the difference in the world.

I’m not engaged in a debate. I asked a question. Why do non-Catholics try to use our Scriptures against us? I’m curious. There is no debate in my question. I’d like to know why non Catholics try to use our Scriptures against us.

CDL

 

[GregoryPalamas]

I think we’re going 'round and 'round here! LOL THey are probably saying “I hate when Catholics use OUR scripture against US!” Everyone thinks it’s “their” scripture, so rather than debating “whose” scripture it is, it would seem much more fruitful to simply debate the points made from scripture. If a Protestant uses scripture against you in a debate, debate it. It’s as simple as that. It shouldn’t be difficult, if you feel that it’s “your” scripture anyway!

Is that more clear? I’m having a difficult time finding the right words to get my points across.

No, there is nothing clear in what you said at all. There is no debate about who wrote the Scriptures and for whom. The only issue is why non-Catholics use our Scriptures to attack us. It isn’t circular because it is not a matter of opinion.

Protestants are called Protestants because they protested against the Church that already existed. Catholics did not protest against protestants, at least not initially. I suppose, if they’d get their own Scriptures there would be no issue at all. But really we don’t mind them using our Scripture. I’d just like to know whey they try to use our Scriptures against us.

CDL

 

[GregoryPalamas]

I think we’re going 'round and 'round here! LOL THey are probably saying “I hate when Catholics use OUR scripture against US!” Everyone thinks it’s “their” scripture, so rather than debating “whose” scripture it is, it would seem much more fruitful to simply debate the points made from scripture. If a Protestant uses scripture against you in a debate, debate it. It’s as simple as that. It shouldn’t be difficult, if you feel that it’s “your” scripture anyway!

Is that more clear? I’m having a difficult time finding the right words to get my points across.

Why assert feelings? I don’t feel any way about any of this. I know that non-Catholics use our Scriptures to try to demean or attack us. I don’t know why. I’d like to know.

CDL

 

[GregoryPalamas]

**2Do not conform any longer to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is—his good, pleasing and perfect will. **

Amen!

 

[rr1213]

I’m not engaged in a debate. I asked a question. Why do non-Catholics try to use our Scriptures against us? I’m curious. There is no debate in my question. I’d like to know why non Catholics try to use our Scriptures against us.

CDL

Because we often believe that Catholic teaching is contrary to, or unsupported by, Scripture. You disagree. Fine. If you want to discuss theology with Protestants you better be able to discuss Scripture because citations to the CCC simply will not impress.

 

[boppaid]

I’m not engaged in a debate. I asked a question. Why do non-Catholics try to use our Scriptures against us? I’m curious. There is no debate in my question. I’d like to know why non Catholics try to use our Scriptures against us.

CDL

You are correct, there is no debate in the questions “why do non-Catholics try to use our Scriptures against us?”. However, when they ARE using scripture to debunk your points, it is often in a debate. THAT is the debate I was talking about. I hope that is clearer.

And I answered your question “why non Catholics try to use” scripture against you. They are debating your points, using the scripture that you use, and the scripture that they use. Surely, if it is YOUR scripture, you can easily refute the points?? Why does this bother you? At least they’re reading God’s Word! Praise Be!

 

[boppaid]

No, there is nothing clear in what you said at all. There is no debate about who wrote the Scriptures and for whom. The only issue is why non-Catholics use our Scriptures to attack us. It isn’t circular because it is not a matter of opinion.

Well, honestly, I think you need to do a bit more research because there clearly IS a debate on this. I’m not saying you have to agree with the other side, but respectfully sir, there is a debate and they believe it’s not a ‘Catholic Bible’. Surely you know this?!?! Read some Protestant research and books. You will see many Protestants CLEARLY believe it was not written by “The Catholic Church”. If they believe that, there is obviously a debate here.

Protestants are called Protestants because they protested against the Church that already existed. Catholics did not protest against protestants, at least not initially.

They protested what they believe Christianity had become. They DO NOT believe that The CC today anywhere near resembles the Church of Christ in Acts, Romans, etc.

I suppose, if they’d get their own Scriptures there would be no issue at all. But really we don’t mind them using our Scripture. I’d just like to know whey they try to use our Scriptures against us.

Because, as Christians who follow Christ, it is their scripture too. Do you not believe they are our brothers and sisters in Christ? Please don’t take this the wrong way, but you kind of sound like my 3 year old who runs around saying “Mine! You can’t have it!” Gladfully SHARE the word with others, and Praise Him when a protestant places scripture before you to defend. Maybe you both can grow.

 

[GregoryPalamas]

Because they don’t think the Scriptures belong to Catholics. So they believe they are using their scriptures against those who they believe ignores or twists them.

That’s rather a silly approach. How could Protestants precede Catholics?

CDL