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Robert_Sock
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Are we the remnants of the Tower of Babel? How did the world advance so much over the past 150 years or so given we disagree so much?
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Armor_of_Light
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Oh…I don’t think that’s true at all!
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DCNBILL
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I think that he is absolutely correct!
In all seriousness it would seem that argumentation is essential for the development of a creative mind. I remember my father, when we were youngsters, would take contrary positions on the most absurd subjects just to see how we would respond. We did not realize it at the time but he was training us to develop our critical thinking. So I do not think that disagreements are necessarily a bad thing, unless they are mean spirited or taken to the extreme.
With regards to the tower of Babel I think that pertains more to confusion among people and their understanding or Misunderstanding of one another rather than argumentation.
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inocente
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I absolutely agree!
If we disagreed about everything there would be chaos, we’d all invent our own languages because we didn’t like any of the others, and then we wouldn’t be able to understand anyone else.
But if we agreed about absolutely everything then we would never change, we would be exactly the same as our parents and their parents and their parents.
There needs to be agreement to keep society running but a pinch of disagreement for change.
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farpinho
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Can’t we all just agree to disagree? 
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bitznbitez
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First lets all agree on what it is we disagree about.Can’t we all just agree to disagree?
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wmw
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We have, 150 years ago disagreements might come to blows, knife, or gun fights in all but high society. Crime, Gang brawls, terrorism, and war are still with us, but a wide spread acceptance of civil society and seeking grievances through court action has allowed and emboldened people to speak their mind.Can’t we all just agree to disagree?
The distance and some anonymity via the internet has also contributed to the feelings of security. Through also contributing to emboldening sex offenders and other criminal activity.
This further freedom to speak, in terms of something beyond a legal concept, allows more heated and exaggerated argument, but rarely are any such wars of words cause a resort to violence or any penalty at all. It seems people can even avoid “eating their own words” in that they can go about their lives without being embarrassed about what they have said to others that are not really part of their day to day lives.
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BrunoMaria
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Why do people disagree so much? Well, people disagree so much, because not just “they”, but all of us, including you and I all the same - keep asking Pilate’s question he asked Jesus in John 18,38: “What is truth?”
People who have different beliefs than Christians, think to own the one and only truth - far away from Jesus Christ, who impersonates the absolute truth.
Again all religion-based “truths” of other religions, differ a lot within those who don’t believe in God at all.
And it’s only natural, that even and just as well people who are free and own the freedom the Bible speaks about, because they believe in God, too disagree in what God actually meant by this or that - see e.g. the present discussion of homosexual Christians, who claim that it’s “natural” to practice homosexuality - and many other ambivalent questions, answers and opinions. We ourselves rather frequently are ambivalent in this or that; so how could it be other within groups.
Even among the disciples once in a while didn’t fully agree, and Thomas didn’t believe the risen Christ was among them.
Since even all most loving Christian couple sometimes disagree, I wouldn’t worry too much about it - as long as the divergence is willingly soon settled on both sides and none of those involved persist on his or her (often not true) opinion.
Best solution is; To ask oneself honestly as to: WHAT WOULD JESUS SAY TO THAT?
Yours
Bruno
People who have different beliefs than Christians, think to own the one and only truth - far away from Jesus Christ, who impersonates the absolute truth.
Again all religion-based “truths” of other religions, differ a lot within those who don’t believe in God at all.
And it’s only natural, that even and just as well people who are free and own the freedom the Bible speaks about, because they believe in God, too disagree in what God actually meant by this or that - see e.g. the present discussion of homosexual Christians, who claim that it’s “natural” to practice homosexuality - and many other ambivalent questions, answers and opinions. We ourselves rather frequently are ambivalent in this or that; so how could it be other within groups.
Even among the disciples once in a while didn’t fully agree, and Thomas didn’t believe the risen Christ was among them.
Since even all most loving Christian couple sometimes disagree, I wouldn’t worry too much about it - as long as the divergence is willingly soon settled on both sides and none of those involved persist on his or her (often not true) opinion.
Best solution is; To ask oneself honestly as to: WHAT WOULD JESUS SAY TO THAT?
Yours
Bruno
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mommy_k
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People seem to disagree more because the standards of everything seem to be all over the place. This opens debate. The only constant in life is the Catholic Church and prayers.
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aragonjohn1
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Many people like to talk about themselves(not all).
Then there is the words Diologue and pride…
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Then there is the words Diologue and pride…
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Robert_Sock
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But why is the world as a whole growing and prospering as it is with all the pride and conceit? Explain the technological revolution to me in recognition of the very limited innate human wit?
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wmw
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Is this a new question? Did the first one have any Apologetic concern of a scripture? Now even greater vagueness in your questions. What is the point of this thread?
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Robert_Sock
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I’m interested in the biblical story of “The Tower of Babel” on life in “modern” times. It’s not hard to see that people today argue and disagree to the point that it’s doubtful that we could have made the world into what it is today. Our very limited innate wit is also of interest to me and I’m interested in how, combined with the arguing and disagreements, our world could ever have come about without some sort of outside influence. Things simply do not add up for me.
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Richard320
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Inflammatory language, most likely.
It’s hard to tell if it’s intentional or if someone is just being irresponsible with a thesaurus.
Snout and beak are not really the same as nose. And mutilated is not the same as butchered, no matter what Roget says.
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Robert_Sock
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Where did I use the term “mutilated” in this thread??? Where did I use “Inflammatory language???”Inflammatory language, most likely.
It’s hard to tell if it’s intentional or if someone is just being irresponsible with a thesaurus.
Snout and beak are not really the same as nose. And mutilated is not the same as butchered, no matter what Roget says.
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BrunoMaria
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This topic and it’s answers are a great prove to the fact, that people tend to disagree so much 
Let’s not dispair though, for we do know, that even the Angels in heaven disagreed and formed two parties - pro and contra God - up to the degree of a very first war, of which’s results we know all in detail. But we also learned what happens, when we branch off the one and only truth.
Robert Sock:
Richard320:
But even when we speak same language, we too often tend to misunderstand all the same, for every person’s got a different way to think and to conclude. Thats the main well of misunderstandings and disagreement. How often did we slam our forehead and cry: “Oh, now I understand… - if only I had seen what he meant, I never would have argued!” It’s like in Mat 13,14 where God tells us, that many are not given understanding, and so are bound to misunderstand and draw wrong conclusions.
So, the main reason why people disagree so much, is misunderstanding. But let’s mind, that rather frequently there are misunderstandings on purpose
Deliberate disagreement however, is off topic here :sad_bye:
Yours
Bruno
Let’s not dispair though, for we do know, that even the Angels in heaven disagreed and formed two parties - pro and contra God - up to the degree of a very first war, of which’s results we know all in detail. But we also learned what happens, when we branch off the one and only truth.
And even here we find rebellious priests and modernists who disagree with the Holy See and that way damage our Church - which will never be overcome as Jesus promised.
Robert Sock:
Simply because humans are so many. There are always some who overcome the common limited innate human wit
To me as a foreigner, that’s even impossible to tell
But even when we speak same language, we too often tend to misunderstand all the same, for every person’s got a different way to think and to conclude. Thats the main well of misunderstandings and disagreement. How often did we slam our forehead and cry: “Oh, now I understand… - if only I had seen what he meant, I never would have argued!” It’s like in Mat 13,14 where God tells us, that many are not given understanding, and so are bound to misunderstand and draw wrong conclusions.So, the main reason why people disagree so much, is misunderstanding. But let’s mind, that rather frequently there are misunderstandings on purpose
Deliberate disagreement however, is off topic here :sad_bye:
Yours
Bruno
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tqualey
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Hi, Robert Sock,
In many ways, the Tower of Babel is very much with us - and, for the most part, it does not have a thing to do with different languages (English, German, French, Spanish, etc…) but, how we understand one another even though both parties may speak the same physical language. Real understanding is far more complex. This, however, is not to say that all disagreement is bad or leads to instability and chaos. For example, a long time ago serious scientists - and Churchmen - believed that the Earth was the center of the universe. It was later proved that it was the sun that was the center of our little group of planets tucked away in a small area of the Milky Way. There was no ‘official end date’ for the Ptolomic System and a beginning date for the Copernican System (actually, it is Galileo who gets the credit - and he was born 20 years after Copernicus died! but, that’s another story… ) Ah, but, few if any ideas really go totally out of existence - and the Earth again being the center of the universe is making a reappearance: loveforlife.com.au/content/10/03/03/new-evidence-earth-center-universe-dark-energy-or-geocentrism-modern-science-crossr
I agree with the previous poster and the learning technique used by his father to get people to think about a particular issue. While he was being an enlightened and supportive instrument of learning - there are many who have staked out positions in society that they truly believe and are in direct contradiction to the Word of God.
Take any item in the daily paper - without a doubt at least 80% of these items will have the readership divided into two camps (let’s just assume [and this is a big one! ] that the newspaper has not only all the fact but has presented them in a neutral manner!!!). For example, in today’s e-edition of USA Today (usatoday.com/ ) the big item was the role of Egypt’s President Morsi in getting a cease fire between Israel and Hamas. My guess is that while most people would like to see an end to this fighting - there is a substantial number who will come up with a “Yes … but…” type statement - “Yes, it is good, but a shame that Israel was not driven into the sea!” or “Yes, it is good, but it is a shame that Hamas is still in charge of Gaza.” So the seeds for the next murderous conflict have been established so future planting can not be far away!
So while we have (relatively) peaceful disagreements - like the position of the Earth … and not so peaceful disagreemens - like Israel and Hamas - the real issue is that we as human beings - by our very nature - see reality in slightly or profoundly different ways. Cooperation while disagreeing is where we are challenged - not only in our humanity - but, in our efforts to follow Christ more closely.
Do not despair that there is disagreemennt - imagine how bland life would be with everyone in agreement with everything. I was once told that if everyone agreed on something, the earth would tip over!
God bless
In many ways, the Tower of Babel is very much with us - and, for the most part, it does not have a thing to do with different languages (English, German, French, Spanish, etc…) but, how we understand one another even though both parties may speak the same physical language. Real understanding is far more complex. This, however, is not to say that all disagreement is bad or leads to instability and chaos. For example, a long time ago serious scientists - and Churchmen - believed that the Earth was the center of the universe. It was later proved that it was the sun that was the center of our little group of planets tucked away in a small area of the Milky Way. There was no ‘official end date’ for the Ptolomic System and a beginning date for the Copernican System (actually, it is Galileo who gets the credit - and he was born 20 years after Copernicus died! but, that’s another story…
) Ah, but, few if any ideas really go totally out of existence - and the Earth again being the center of the universe is making a reappearance: loveforlife.com.au/content/10/03/03/new-evidence-earth-center-universe-dark-energy-or-geocentrism-modern-science-crossr I agree with the previous poster and the learning technique used by his father to get people to think about a particular issue. While he was being an enlightened and supportive instrument of learning - there are many who have staked out positions in society that they truly believe and are in direct contradiction to the Word of God.
Take any item in the daily paper - without a doubt at least 80% of these items will have the readership divided into two camps (let’s just assume [and this is a big one!
] that the newspaper has not only all the fact but has presented them in a neutral manner!!!). For example, in today’s e-edition of USA Today (usatoday.com/ ) the big item was the role of Egypt’s President Morsi in getting a cease fire between Israel and Hamas. My guess is that while most people would like to see an end to this fighting - there is a substantial number who will come up with a “Yes … but…” type statement - “Yes, it is good, but a shame that Israel was not driven into the sea!” or “Yes, it is good, but it is a shame that Hamas is still in charge of Gaza.” So the seeds for the next murderous conflict have been established so future planting can not be far away! So while we have (relatively) peaceful disagreements - like the position of the Earth … and not so peaceful disagreemens - like Israel and Hamas - the real issue is that we as human beings - by our very nature - see reality in slightly or profoundly different ways. Cooperation while disagreeing is where we are challenged - not only in our humanity - but, in our efforts to follow Christ more closely.
Do not despair that there is disagreemennt - imagine how bland life would be with everyone in agreement with everything. I was once told that if everyone agreed on something, the earth would tip over!
God bless
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Robert_Sock
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As good an answer as I’m going to get. This is true!
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BrunoMaria
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surely so, but the day will come and we all will see it in heaven, when all agreeHi, if everyone agreed on something, the earth would tip over!
The world however, will live to see that not before Last Judgement
But actually the truth is so easy - it’s Jesus’ truth.
Yours
Bruno
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