Why do people sing "Morning has broken" in the Church?

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Once again, the “Judges” are out.

Liturgical abuse just because someone that you do not approve of sang a song? Get real!

If you actually read the words of “Morning has Broken”, it is a very Christian theme. I personally love the tune, but d not particularly care for the hymn, but that’s my choice.

I don’t care if Charles Manson, Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin all liked a hymn, if it is appropriately religious, it is appropriate to be sung in a church. It is the words of the song that matter, not whether someone that we approve of wrote it, sang it or liked it.
 
Oneofthewomen said:
LOVE THIS SONG!! 😃

It was our entrance hymn this morning-
the sun was shining through the stained glass,
all the different colors dancing around the altar~
made me appreciate the day,
and appreciate that I was able to go to Mass without threat to my life,
and made me appreciate all the little things that I saw on my walk home.
The birds & butterflies, the blue sky,
the beautiful flowers in bloom in my neighborhood…
How can’t that be bad?🤷

God is good!! 😃
He has graced me with another new day!! :love:
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Did a Blackbird give the sermon?😉
 
wisdomseeker said:
What do you mean, I am sure? I know the song, besides the cantor says the title before he sings anyway. He said “go to page number…morning has broken.”

does your hymn says morning has broken too?
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ok. I have just never heard the actual Cat Stevens-ish Morning Has Broken sung in Church but the St. Patrick version is farily common around here. When ever I hear the tune my mind goes to the Morning Has Broken lyrics and I have to re-focus. 🙂
 
Stylites said:
wisdomseeker is using the term “oral tradition” which I take as the sacred traditions of the Apostles, which of course the Church has not and cannot possibly abandon. To claim otherwise is to accuse the Church of unfaithfulness to Christ’s commission.
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Ahhh 😊 I should have known that. But yes Oral Tradition, very firm believer in that. :yup:

God bless.
 
wisdomseeker said:
No, the Chants originated from the Jews.
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+You are badly misinformed wisdomseeker . . . in the first place your original question regarding chants was referenced to the below quote which deals only with Gregorian Chants . . . and that was the exact category of chant . . . Gregorian Chant . . . to which my response was formed . . . and for your information . . . there are also many different forms of “chants” . . . Gregorian Chant is only one of them . . . there are . . . Mozarabic Chants . . . and . . . Ambrosian Chants . . . just to mention a few of the many others forms of chant . . .
Stylites said:
So the Church selects post-Apostle modernist Gregorian Chants to be placed in the liturgical music books, …
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This pretending to speak as if you were an authority . . . when you clearly are not . . . and your providing no basis of accurate factual foundational information whatsoever to back up your ungrounded erroneous personal statements . . . is most unwise . . . simple plain “chanting” by mankind . . . is a very simplistic simple musical form . . . and covers a wide range of the practice of chants throughout the world . . . which are . . . and have been . . . found in practically every religion known to the world since the beginning of time . . . the “chant” form most certainly was never original to the Jews as to its origin . . . rather it is . . . and always has been . . . *known as common practice among all mankind . . . *
. . . :coffeeread: . . .

Although Gregorian Chant supplanted or marginalized the other indigenous plainchant traditions of the Christian West, Ambrosian Chant still continues in use in Milan, and there are musicologists exploring both that and the Mozarabic Chant of Christian Spain. **The Roman Catholic Church **still officially considers Gregorian Chant the music most suitable for worship in the Roman Rite,[2] and should be given the “pride of place” in all Masses in the Roman Rite (see GIRM, P41). During the late 20th century, Gregorian Chant underwent a musicological and popular resurgence both within and outside the Roman Catholic Church.

Development of earlier plainchant

Singing has been part of the Christian liturgy since the earliest days of the Church. Until the mid-1990s, it was widely accepted that the psalmody of ancient Jewish worship significantly influenced and contributed to early Christian ritual and chant. This view is no longer generally accepted by scholars, due to analysis that shows that most early Christian hymns did not have Psalms for texts, and that the Psalms were **not **sung in synagogues for centuries after the Destruction of the Second Temple in AD 70.[3] However, early Christian rites did incorporate elements of Jewish worship that survived in later chant tradition. Canonical hours have their roots in [Old Testament :bible1: Sacred Scripture] Jewish prayer hours. “Amen” and “alleluia” come from Hebrew, and the threefold “sanctus” derives from the threefold “kadosh” of the Kedusha.[4]
+​

. . . all for Jesus+
. . . thank you Holy Mother Church+​
 
Phemie said:
What?! We just sang it this morning, and although BUNESSAN is far from my favorite tune…
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I guess then I’m alone in admiring the piano accompaniment that came with Cat Steven’s version. 😦
 
Jesus_123 said:
+You are badly misinformed wisdomseeker . . . in the first place your original question regarding chants was referenced to the below quote which deals only with Gregorian Chants . . . and that was the exact category of chant . . . Gregorian Chant . . . to which my response was formed . . . and for your information . . . there are also many different forms of “chants” . . . Gregorian Chant is only one of them . . . there are . . . Mozarabic Chants . . . and . . . Ambrosian Chants . . . just to mention a few of the many others forms of chant . . .

This pretending to speak as if you were an authority . . . when you clearly are not . . . and your providing no basis of accurate factual foundational information whatsoever to back up your ungrounded erroneous personal statements . . . is most unwise . . . simple plain “chanting” by mankind . . . is a very simplistic simple musical form . . . and covers a wide range of the practice of chants throughout the world . . . which are . . . and have been . . . found in practically every religion known to the world since the beginning of time . . . the “chant” form most certainly was never original to the Jews as to its origin . . . rather it is . . . and always has been . . . *known as common practice among all mankind . . . *
. . . :coffeeread: . . .

Although Gregorian Chant supplanted or marginalized the other indigenous plainchant traditions of the Christian West, Ambrosian Chant still continues in use in Milan, and there are musicologists exploring both that and the Mozarabic Chant of Christian Spain. **The Roman Catholic Church **still officially considers Gregorian Chant the music most suitable for worship in the Roman Rite,[2] and should be given the “pride of place” in all Masses in the Roman Rite (see GIRM, P41). During the late 20th century, Gregorian Chant underwent a musicological and popular resurgence both within and outside the Roman Catholic Church.

Development of earlier plainchant

Singing has been part of the Christian liturgy since the earliest days of the Church. Until the mid-1990s, it was widely accepted that the psalmody of ancient Jewish worship significantly influenced and contributed to early Christian ritual and chant. This view is no longer generally accepted by scholars, due to analysis that shows that most early Christian hymns did not have Psalms for texts, and that the Psalms were **not **sung in synagogues for centuries after the Destruction of the Second Temple in AD 70.[3] However, early Christian rites did incorporate elements of Jewish worship that survived in later chant tradition. Canonical hours have their roots in [Old Testament :bible1: Sacred Scripture] Jewish prayer hours. “Amen” and “alleluia” come from Hebrew, and the threefold “sanctus” derives from the threefold “kadosh” of the Kedusha.[4]
+​

. . . all for Jesus+
. . . thank you Holy Mother Church+​
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I give up.
 
I request that this thread be closed because Morning is broken.

ha ha, just kidding
 
I don’t like that “song”. To me it’s too “fairy dust and pixie” sounding . But that’s just my opinion. I imagine my favorites probably irritate people too so I sing along and figure someone really likes it and if that helps them feel closer to God then I’m OK with it. I am NOT a Cat Stevens fan so that’s probably part of it.
 
Phemie said:
What?! We just sang it this morning, and although BUNESSAN is far from my favorite tune, the words are words of praise to God for the beauty of his world.

lyrics by Eleanor Farjeon
Morning has broken, like the first morning
Blackbird has spoken, like the first bird
Praise for the singing, praise for the morning
Praise for them springing fresh from the word.

Sweet the rain’s new fall, sunlit from heaven
Like the first dewfall, on the first grass.
Praise for the sweetness of the wet garden
Sprung in completeness where his feet pass.

Mine is the sunlight, mine is the morning
Born of the one light, Eden saw play
Praise with elation, praise ev’ry morning
God’s recreation of the new day.
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I ABSOLUTELY LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE LOVE this song. We are praising God for His creation, a new day, that we are alive and filled with fresh breath. I wish we would sing this more instead of some of the more contemporary songs from Spirit and Song that has become popular at our youth Mass. I understand it is a Youth Mass but some has become popular with christian radio and is not exactly Catholic music. :confused: So, just call me a traditionalist but I love the settings of the music too. So good to feel alive 🙂
 
It isn’t my favorite, but I don’t think it is a bad hymn. It’s nice for Morning Prayer, or a Sunday School. But I don’t see what Cat Stevens has to do with anything, or the fact that he later became Muslim. I know Jews that like Palestrina, but that doesn’t make it un-Christian.
and it is weird to think that the possibility of writing “real” Catholic music ended in the 19th century. That is as arbitrary as the anabaptists who say all technology after 1850 or whatever is bad.

I expect Cat liked it because of the folk music tune as he was right in the middle of the folk-revival. It is a sight better than a lot of the Catholic folk-influenced stuff, and he does a nice job singing it.
 
I thank the good Lord for the EF and all Traditional Societies/Orders. we don’t have to listen to this sort of thing.
 
corsair said:
I thank the good Lord for the EF and all Traditional Societies/Orders. we don’t have to listen to this sort of thing.
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And one wonder why we Catholics are in so much trouble today. Poor Worship to the High God means we find no favor with Him.

👍:bowdown::byzsoc:
 
corsair said:
I thank the good Lord for the EF and all Traditional Societies/Orders. we don’t have to listen to this sort of thing.
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And I also thank Him and pray that our bishops start listening to the Holy Father so that those of us in the liturgical wasteland existing in so many dioceses will also no longer have to listen to this sort of thing.
 
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