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I never understand this.
  1. Why do people support abortion; dispite the fact there is source of information about abortion procedures?
I have visited some website that show how partial birth abortion is done, and other types of abortion being done onto the fetus. The images are gross and inhuman. How can we, humans allow this immoral evil to continue?

The images of torn fetus limbs, and other body parts are just as bad as seeing dead body parts of victims of a suicide bombing in the Middle East, or the beheading of Westerners by Al Quada?

Indeed, the when we see the media show videos by Islamic militants cutting people heads off, they are discusted. When it comes to abortion and how it is done, people say, its a personal choice of a woman.

I see remember watching beheading, and the man just scream. When I watch an abortion done on a 10 week old fetus, I see the baby struggling with his own life. There is no difference. Abortion is evil and it needs to end now. People need to know the Truth of this immoral evil.

Note to moderator: If my thread is **too graphic please **edit it as you please.
 
They support it because the pro-life cause and pro-choice cause are two different issues. The pro-life platform wants to make abortion illegal- it is a matter of life. The pro-choice platform wants to keep it legal- and ease restrictions on it when they exist- to them, it is a matter of choice. The position you take depends on the approach that impacts you the most.

Many modern-day feminists have been pouring over contemporary feminist philosophy for decades, and have formed their own philosophies accordingly. They are taught that if women do not have legal abortion options, they will just find illegal options- which are more dangerous for the woman. Unfortunately they are misled- **NOBODY **can perform an abortion in good conscience. They see, feel, and perhaps even hear what happens- as it is happening. A doctor who can torture such an innocent life- that looks and acts very human- is capable of any evil- and should not be trusted in any matter.

The feminists of the early 1900’s loathed abortion- they saw it as a matter of life, and the violation of that right to life was oppressive to women and to humanity in general. After World War II, someone out there started selling abortion to the feminists of the 60’s and 70’s under the disguise of choice.

Over the last few decades, this social issue has been made into a political issue, and some politicians and political platforms really turn people off. Some people are inclined to support abortion rights because the politicians they don’t like say they are against abortion- or because the politicians they like support abortion rights.
 
. . . because when a woman is faced with a crisis pregnancy (as one pro-lifer graphically expressed it), she is not just “selfish,” “upset,” or “disturbed.” She feels like an animal caught in a trap that is willing to chew off its own leg to get out of it.

We pro-lifers need to offer real options to women caught in this terror.
 
mercygate said:
. . . because when a woman is faced with a crisis pregnancy (as one pro-lifer graphically expressed it), she is not just “selfish,” “upset,” or “disturbed.” She feels like an animal caught in a trap that is willing to chew off its own leg to get out of it.

We pro-lifers need to offer real options to women caught in this terror.
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Great post mercygate! :clapping:
 
mercygate said:
. . . because when a woman is faced with a crisis pregnancy (as one pro-lifer graphically expressed it), she is not just “selfish,” “upset,” or “disturbed.” She feels like an animal caught in a trap that is willing to chew off its own leg to get out of it.

We pro-lifers need to offer real options to women caught in this terror.
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Fortunatley, there very much are real options for women like Project Gabriel (which I believe anyone can start in a community.) Don’t buy into the falsehood that pro-lifers just want to stop abortion and skip merrily away with no concern for the women involved.
 
Scottgun said:
Fortunatley, there very much are real options for women like Project Gabriel (which I believe anyone can start in a community.) Don’t buy into the falsehood that pro-lifers just want to stop abortion and skip merrily away with no concern for the women involved.
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👍 👍 👍 But an abortion is so much “neater” – you just toss the “problem” into the dumpster, with nobody the wiser.
 
mercygate said:
👍 👍 👍 But an abortion is so much “neater” – you just toss the “problem” into the dumpster, with nobody the wiser.
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True uinfortunately. I remember a Dead Kennedy’s album entitled, *Give Me Convenience, or Give Me Death *which seems to be the modern motto.
 
I am new to the Forum today, a relatively new Catholic, and this is the first thread I read. So, please be gentle.

I am trying to conform my beliefs on abortion to that of the Church. The idea of abortion is abhorrent to me. I don’t have to watch an abortion or a beheading to know how bad it is.

My problem comes in dictating to another adult what they can do to a non-viable fetus in their body, no matter what I believe. Once a fetus is deemed viable, I believe it is murder and should be prosecuted like the murder of a week old baby. I just don’t think I am able to judge a woman who meets the description that Mercygate gives.

Any advice or guidance would be appreciated.
 
It’s not about judging it’s about maintaining a realist epistemology friend! 🙂
 
SirMallard said:
I am new to the Forum today, a relatively new Catholic, and this is the first thread I read. So, please be gentle.

I am trying to conform my beliefs on abortion to that of the Church. The idea of abortion is abhorrent to me. I don’t have to watch an abortion or a beheading to know how bad it is.

My problem comes in dictating to another adult what they can do to a non-viable fetus in their body, no matter what I believe. Once a fetus is deemed viable, I believe it is murder and should be prosecuted like the murder of a week old baby. I just don’t think I am able to judge a woman who meets the description that Mercygate gives.

Any advice or guidance would be appreciated.
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It’s not about “viability.” It’s about “humanity” and the Christian principle of defending the vulnerable and defenseless. The “thing” is a human life. We feel comfortable dictaing to other adults that slavery or child labor are inacceptable. This is just as important.

In our culture, we tend to view the “week old baby” as a non-person. If we could connect the dots so that women (and men) would truly UNDERSTAND that engaging in sexual intercourse is by nature PRIMARILY ordered towards procreation and that the bonding and pleasure are ordered towards the building up of families, then people might figure out that recreational sex is not an activity that promotes the dignity of the human person but turns it into a “problem”: like an unwanted pregancy.
 
Exactly. We treat a thing according to its nature. What is a fertilised egg’s nature?
 
Mercygate,

I do understand what you say about the “Humanity”. I believe abortion hurts our humanity. One of the many things that attracted me to the Catholic Church is its “Humanity”. When I look at the Church’s committment to be an active part of the solution, instead of a critic, it reassures me that my conversion decision was the right one. Maybe my problem is more a political one, than a moral one.

Thanks everyone. 🙂
 
mercygate said:
👍 👍 👍 But an abortion is so much “neater” – you just toss the “problem” into the dumpster, with nobody the wiser.
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When I counseled women considering an abortion I always metioned that aboortion was a long term solution to a short term problem, We then talked about long term solutions for the child.
 
SirMallard said:
Mercygate,

I do understand what you say about the “Humanity”. I believe abortion hurts our humanity. One of the many things that attracted me to the Catholic Church is its “Humanity”. When I look at the Church’s committment to be an active part of the solution, instead of a critic, it reassures me that my conversion decision was the right one. Maybe my problem is more a political one, than a moral one.

Thanks everyone. 🙂
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When I say “humanity” here, I mean that the conceptus is human, not that the act of killing it is inhuman (which it is, of course).

Abortion is definitely and entirely a moral question; it has been politicized because of the strength of the emotional baggage that comes with an unwanted pregnancy.

I get really cranky when people say that women who seek an abortion are merely capitulating to “convenience”. These women are either absolutely and insanely desperate or else they have a serious shortcoming in their view of human dignity – as you would doubtless agree.
 
SirMallard said:
Mercygate,

I do understand what you say about the “Humanity”. I believe abortion hurts our humanity. One of the many things that attracted me to the Catholic Church is its “Humanity”. When I look at the Church’s committment to be an active part of the solution, instead of a critic, it reassures me that my conversion decision was the right one. Maybe my problem is more a political one, than a moral one.

Thanks everyone. 🙂
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Your “problem” is the same one my husband had, and I’m going to have the same conversation with you and leave religion out of it. This isn’t a religion issue, a Catholic issue, a partisan issue. This is a 100% moral issue; a human issue, if you will. 🙂

Abortion is either right, or it’s wrong, and politics don’t have anything to do with it until you figure out which it is. It only becomes a political issue when you have the guts to stand up for what you believe to be right or wrong; whatever that may be.

If abortion is right, then you can stand up for abortion and tell everyone how good it is. But, if abortion is wrong, then you have to stand up for that fact and make it count, too! There is no half-stepping on this issue. There is no “it’s wrong for me, but ok for everyone else” garbage. Abortion is either right or it’s wrong, and there is NO gray area.

Look up the definition of “life” and please use the source of your choice. It does not say that life begins at the age of viability, does it? Even the most “pro-abortion” sources will agree that life exists long before the age of viability. Every mother who has ever carried an unborn baby inside of her will tell you that there was life inside of her before that life could have survived outside of her womb.

Now, based on that information, it is either right or wrong to end the life of an innocent being. You can’t argue any “but’s” for EITHER side until you’ve made that determination. Therefore, it is solely a moral issue; not a religious issue and not a political one, either. It only becomes a political issue once you’ve determined one or the other to be true.

And, just for clarification purposes: I am only posting on this thread to share something that occurred in my personal life with my husband. I’m not here to argue statistics or anything else, and I will not engage in any such attempt to draw me in. 🙂
 
kettle said:
Your “problem” is the same one my husband had, and I’m going to have the same conversation with you and leave religion out of it. This isn’t a religion issue, a Catholic issue, a partisan issue. This is a 100% moral issue; a human issue, if you will. 🙂

Abortion is either right, or it’s wrong, and politics don’t have anything to do with it until you figure out which it is. It only becomes a political issue when you have the guts to stand up for what you believe to be right or wrong; whatever that may be.

If abortion is right, then you can stand up for abortion and tell everyone how good it is. But, if abortion is wrong, then you have to stand up for that fact and make it count, too! There is no half-stepping on this issue. There is no “it’s wrong for me, but ok for everyone else” garbage. Abortion is either right or it’s wrong, and there is NO gray area.

Look up the definition of “life” and please use the source of your choice. It does not say that life begins at the age of viability, does it? Even the most “pro-abortion” sources will agree that life exists long before the age of viability. Every mother who has ever carried an unborn baby inside of her will tell you that there was life inside of her before that life could have survived outside of her womb.

Now, based on that information, it is either right or wrong to end the life of an innocent being. You can’t argue any “but’s” for EITHER side until you’ve made that determination. Therefore, it is solely a moral issue; not a religious issue and not a political one, either. It only becomes a political issue once you’ve determined one or the other to be true.

And, just for clarification purposes: I am only posting on this thread to share something that occurred in my personal life with my husband. I’m not here to argue statistics or anything else, and I will not engage in any such attempt to draw me in. 🙂
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I never said abortion was okay for any reason. It is never right. However, there are other behaviors that are always wrong that I wouldn’t want to legally forbid. Unfortunately, abortion is a legal and political issue for whatever reason. When you start allowing the government to say what is right and wrong, and give them the power to regulate the conduct of individuals, you risk having them forbid behaviors you hold in high esteem. Even as a Protestant, I financially supported our local crisis pregnancy center. The Gabriel Project does wonderful work. I think we accomplish more in supporting efforts like these than we do fighting for the political power to forbid these behaviors.

Now, if you’ll excuse me, FightingFat has sent me a lot of stuff to read. Again, thank you all. 🙂
 
SirMallard said:
I never said abortion was okay for any reason. It is never right. However, there are other behaviors that are always wrong that I wouldn’t want to legally forbid. Unfortunately, abortion is a legal and political issue for whatever reason. When you start allowing the government to say what is right and wrong, and give them the power to regulate the conduct of individuals, you risk having them forbid behaviors you hold in high esteem. Even as a Protestant, I financially supported our local crisis pregnancy center. The Gabriel Project does wonderful work. I think we accomplish more in supporting efforts like these than we do fighting for the political power to forbid these behaviors.

Now, if you’ll excuse me, FightingFat has sent me a lot of stuff to read. Again, thank you all. 🙂
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One would think it would be a no brainer for the Govt to say killing children is wrong. However even if they dont I cant see how anyone would assume that since they didnt spaek it should remain legal. With all due respect you appear to belong to “its wrong for me to kill children but OK for anyone else to do so”

Usually when one has this attitude is it based on their desire to support a political party and/or candidate despite their support for killing our children
 
I fully understand why you would think that. However, I am a lifetime Republican who has never voted pro-choice. The presidential candidate I back has a solid pro-life voting record. Now you know why I used the confused icon :confused: in my original post.

I apologize for getting this thread a little off-subject. I appreciate you all.
 
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