Don’t forget Jesus’s violent behavior with the moneylenders in the temple.
I think it’s that in the Old Testament God is often a god of wrath and often does things that appear amoral if not immoral to modern minds. I sometimes have a hard time reconciling my idea of God and the behavior of God in some of these Old Testament stories, such as when he commits genocide (in the story of Joshua and the Canaanites I think it was) or causes little children to die for example (cf “By the waters of Babylon”).
Not every interpretation of events in the Old Testament is infallible!
Yes, look at the story of Jonah and the whale. It seems more like a parable than a reportage.
I agree yet in spite of their primitive customs and naive interpretations of natural events the Jews surpassed every other tribe with their pure concept of God, superior moral code and detailed anticipation of the coming of the Messiah. They were after all, in spite of their shortcomings, the Chosen People to whom we owe our faith, hope and love - a fact overlooked by anti-Semites…
Yes but only the ones who accepted Jesus as Messiah became Christians. The rest were like the Pharisees, they stayed with their old concepts of God, and rejected Christ.
Non-believers have quite a few reasons to take away that God is a moral monster in the OT, but they are only out to find negatives anyway.
Non-believers have quite a few reasons to take away that God is a moral monster in the OT, but they are only out to find negatives anyway. How do you know that. Do you know all the “unbelievers?”
well they must be looking for positives then to disprove God’s existence
just just seem to always point out the pain and suffering parts.God tends to kill people a lot in the Old Testament, from the firstborn sons of Egypt, to the people who were living in Israel before Joshua killed them all, to the entire world during the flood. I believe in a God of mercy and love, and I still have trouble squaring that with some of the stuff that apparently happened before Christ.
None needed I said it to make a point about the Christian God. Laney Brown was the proverbial straw. The senselessness of her death after thousands gathered to pray for her showed me all I needed to know. If it was God’s plan that I, and numerous others I suspect would see the plan for what it is, and himself for what he is, then he succeeded magnificentlywell they must be looking for positives then to disprove God’s existence
Everyone has their role, could’ve been you, could’ve been me, we’re no better than anyone else, we can only console them and try to give them hope. I techincally should’ve died at birth but I made it through for whatever reason, maybe it was “God’s plan” for me, maybe it was luck…i’ll never know until i die.
I hear “well why do kids die” or “why are their amputees” or “why are there wars” a lot but we can’t speak for God as to why it all happens but because others may be in less of a position than we are doesn’t make them any less of a human being, or an outcast of society. Some monstrosities are committed by free will and affect others well being. IF there’s a God, it was our choice to have free will (Adam & Eve) and if we had a chance to do it over again and know for a fact that our world today would be the consequences (wars, famine, disasters, etc) my opinion would be that we would probably choose the same way because we don’t want anyone else in control of ourselves, we are ego driven creatures. I believe you just validated that by “not wanting to listen to daddy” and thats ok, its your choice. Apologies if i put words in your mouth.
Your first point is not a fallacy to me, more like a book review…actually, so is the rest except that I accept the historic Jesus,
God has the Israelites kill every man, woman, and child.