Why do priests drive Cadillacs and own nice Retreat houses on the lake?

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Recently, I spoke to an older fella (a former Catholic) who ripped apart the priesthood and how the Church uses Her money. He stated that the priesthood is nothing but a men’s club, and all decide what they need and so they are all together (especially bishops and cardinals) on taking care of themselves by having more than needed luxuries. Meanwhile, Catholic Schools are closing. He went on to say, knowing many do choose a life of poverty in certain orders: “Why do other priests who don’t take a vow of poverty have to have so much more than required?” I must admit, he makes a strong argument. Have American priests and bishops been taking advantage of the fat of the lamb? Jesus washed the disciples feet. He took a very low position to explain how those who serve him are to be towards others. Does not owning less luxuries so others in more need can have more, benefit Christ’s mission?
 
Bald anecdotal assertions without any real evidence hardly merit any response other than, “nuh-uh, non-Catholic pastors/religious leaders, etc. have houses and cars too–most atheists also have houses and cars.”🤷 Anyway, poverty is an evangelical counsel, not a commandment. This debate was waged about 700 years ago by some over-zealous Franciscans and was definitively settled by Pope John XXII.
 
Yes, I have seen many, many priests driving everything from town cars, to new Lexus suv, to mercedez 70K sedans.

The parishioners are allowed to buy these for them.

I find it an egotistical waste of time and money, when that money could have been used for far more important things than overrated transportation to make a priest look good.I do not know if it is the parishioner trying to buy their way into heaven or get more points with the priest and feed their ego with the congregation, but there should be a limit on the type of vehicle a priest can have. better yet, it should be common sense for the priest to sell the vehcle, buy something far less wateful and donate the funds to a worthy cause.
just my opinion.
🙂
 
so it does happen.

what i’d like to see is a stunningly beautiful nun who goes to the beach and strips down to her bikini. 😃

{*i suppose stunningly beautiful nuns only happens in the movies *😉 }
 
Yes, I have seen many, many priests driving everything from town cars, to new Lexus suv, to mercedez 70K sedans.
Why not? A good car can last a lifetime. If he sells the good car and buys a cheaper one, he’ll have to put the extra money away to buy the replacement car that he’ll need to buy within ten years or less, or else depend on someone else’s generosity, at that time.

(We all spend the same amount of money on our cars; some of us just spend it more gradually than others. 😉 )
 
My former pastor who logs almost 100k miles a year between assignments at parish and 3 missions, and 2 full time diocesan jobs, drives a 2006 Chevy Suburban, gift of parishioners who took up the collection when the pastor of our neighboring parish was killed in a head-on collission in his compact car in a freeway construction zone. since more than half the mileage our pastor regularly drives is under construction, and we decided we would like to keep him around for a few more years, we were glad to make the gift, since we only paid cost through a local GM dealer who is a parishioner.

his only “vacation home” is when he visits his parents or sister, or goes on retreat to a local monastery. there are priests in the dioceses who have bought into assisted living arrangements for their retirement, usually with the help of family money, and others who have been given favorable prices in local retirement communities (Valley is home to at least 500M Winter Texans already with over 500 retirement parks and homes).

Some priests do own cabins or hunting leases on ranches elsewhere in Texas, or boats for bay fishing etc., they are entitled to recreation and vacation as anyone else is, but they pay for them from salary and savings, they are not given any perks by the diocese.

did I mention our former pastor with the big car also is the one who drives other priests to assignments and meetings, seldom drives alone, and almost always has the car loaded up, if not with passengers, with food, clothing and donations to the poor in the colonias, deliveries to diocesan offices, or other cargo.

coincidentally I was publicly criticized by a parent, in front of an entire HS class, last week because I drive a 5 yr old pick-up, (which looks great because I take good care of it, it is probably the last new car I will ever guy). His point was I am being paid too much if I can afford this car. Because my philosophy is never complain, never explain, I did not bother to tell him that I got the car when I was driving to Mexico weekly to deliver food, commodities, clothing, appliances and building supplies for a local ministry over the border, over rough terrain, and because my long commute was also through construction zones which literally destroyed my 12 yr old compact car. My husband did take the man up short, however, and asked him to drive along, in my truck, while deliveries of furniture and household items were made to St. Vincent clients, but the man declined. DH has my truck now making a Sams run to by food for our weekly Lenten meal for the parish. I also get no mileage allowance from the parish or diocese altho some DREs do get their gas paid.
 
Why not? A good car can last a lifetime. If he sells the good car and buys a cheaper one, he’ll have to put the extra money away to buy the replacement car that he’ll need to buy within ten years or less, or else depend on someone else’s generosity, at that time.

(We all spend the same amount of money on our cars; some of us just spend it more gradually than others. 😉 )
then buy him a honda, they go for about 500k miles or more.

no other vehicle out there can match the reliability. sure there are some exceptions now and then, you may find one in a million amercian vehicles that will last that long without engine replacement or transmissions, but it is very very rare.

the last thing a priest needs is a $45-70k dollar vehicle. that is rediculous.
 
so it does happen.

what i’d like to see is a stunningly beautiful nun who goes to the beach and strips down to her bikini. 😃

{*i suppose stunningly beautiful nuns only happens in the movies *😉 }
Well if you want to see a nun in a two piece, watch the movie “Where the boys are” and you will see one. Dolores Hart was very beautiful and was expected to replace Grace Kelly. She became a nun a few year after the movie was made. One of the major networks did a story on her not long ago. She sure has changed.
 
The priests that I have known over the years were/are self-sacrificing men. One holy man accepeted money to buy a new black suit, his was shinny from years of wear. The money, however, did not go to buy a new suit for himself, he gave it to someone more in need…He continued to wear his very well-worn black suit. Current priest has a very old, 18 year old automobile. We took up a collection so he could update his transportation. He has not done it yet, and the donations were in more than a year ago. I could go on and on. There are a few priests who have inherited some money, car, house. If they use these to the glory of God, then, so be it. They have already given up more than you will ever know by serving God and parishioners.

Love and peace,
Mom of 5
 
my former diocese does own a retreat center on the lake. it was formerly a convent belonging to an order of nuns who has consolidated their mother houses and moved their HQ to another state, was purchased by the diocese for far less than building something from scratch. It is in use every weekend by parishes, youth groups, confirmation classes and Catholic organizations for retreats, and nearly every day for meetings, classes, directed retreats, life in the spirit seminars, diocesan meetings and conventions. the money generated by the nominal charge paid by participants has paid off the price in under 5 years, and for the first time, members of the diocese have a place for retreats on a beautiful setting conducive to spiritual peace, silence and meditation. a very good investment.

unless you know beyond shadow of a doubt, with proof that stands up in a court of law, you are obliged to assume that the priest with the shiny new car or nice home has gotten it as a gift, or through prudent use of his own earnings, savings, or family money. To say otherwise is to libel the priest, and is incidentally, for Catholics, a sin.
 
God bless you puzzleannie, rejoice and be glad!! Your husband had the right idea. I think anyone who complains about anyone else ought to walk a mile in their shoes!!
 
a note on gifts of money and property, real and personal, made to religious institutions: there are generally limits under state law, depending on the nature and terms of the gift, to when, if and how the gift can be sold, traded or otherwise disposed of. this especially is true in re gifts coming through estates or trusts. the priest is not always free to “sell it and buy something else”. There are also canon law, and of course federal tax laws that apply and accountability in most dioceses is quite rigid so that these laws are kept.
 
so it does happen.

what i’d like to see is a stunningly beautiful nun who goes to the beach and strips down to her bikini. 😃

{*i suppose stunningly beautiful nuns only happens in the movies *😉 }
shudder no you probably would not want to see nuns in bikinis.
 
The priest at my parents’ rural parish drives an old pickup truck, and he has had it for several years.

I think the type of vehicle driven by the clergy varies greatly depending on the location, the needs of the priest, and his own personal circumstances. To say that the priesthood is a “mens club” and that they all run around in luxury cars eating caviar and sporting the latest fashions is to paint with a rather broad brush.

When priests do abuse their office or use funds inappropriately they will be judged accordingly by a much higher authority than anyone on this forum.

Thomas
 
I realize you are speaking of priests but.
When I was younger I worked for a home for the developmentally disabled. it was run by an Italian order of nuns. These women worked hard from sunrise to past sunset and had very little breaks. My supervisor was well into her 70’s and was a nun since 18. I think they deserve some simple luxurys like a nice peaceful retreat hous somewhere. I am sure most priests work harder than we realize. I certainly dont begrudge them some comforts!
 
The same argument has also been used about the priceless art the church owns.

Whenever I read complaints like this about the Church and the clergy, I am reminded of the following passage for John chapter 12:
4 Then Judas Iscariot-one of his disciples, the man who was to betray him-said,
5 ‘Why was this ointment not sold for three hundred denarii and the money given to the poor?’
6 He said this, not because he cared about the poor, but because he was a thief; he was in charge of the common fund and used to help himself to the contents.
7 So Jesus said, ‘Leave her alone; let her keep it for the day of my burial.
8 You have the poor with you always, you will not always have me.’
People who make these kinds of arguments don’t make them because of the poor, they’re just looking for ways to tear down the Church.
 
I’ve seen the car that Cardinal Maida drives. It a 4-5 year old Ford Taurus that looks like it’s seen lots of miles.
 
Recently, I spoke to an older fella (a former Catholic) who ripped apart the priesthood and how the Church uses Her money. He stated that the priesthood is nothing but a men’s club, and all decide what they need and so they are all together (especially bishops and cardinals) on taking care of themselves by having more than needed luxuries. Meanwhile, Catholic Schools are closing. He went on to say, knowing many do choose a life of poverty in certain orders: “Why do other priests who don’t take a vow of poverty have to have so much more than required?” I must admit, he makes a strong argument. Have American priests and bishops been taking advantage of the fat of the lamb? Jesus washed the disciples feet. He took a very low position to explain how those who serve him are to be towards others. Does not owning less luxuries so others in more need can have more, benefit Christ’s mission?
This quesiton is not solely for you< Lou, but for all who hold the bolded opinion:

How many of you make the requisite sacrifices? Is cable TV a necessity? DSL? More than one TV? IPod? How nice a car do you drive? How big a home? This list of areas we all can cut expenses to “benefit Christ’s mission” is far from exhausted.

My experience has been that many who hold this opinion only to priests are not willing to live it themselves.
 
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