Why do protestant denominations hardly talk about saints?

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There is really no good reason not to learn about the lives of the saints and to honor them. But as Cat said, in the Evangelical Protestant world I came from, we never hear about them, are never taught anything about them. Now that I’m Episcopalian and in an Anglo-Catholic parish, they at least get mentioned sometimes.
Izzie,

Since you are now in the tradition of the King James…flip through the original King James and look at the days and who is honored…you will see the Name Mary come up quite often…

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and zoomed in…here…

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I think that most protestants don’t advocate the or even talk about saint its because since God has it written on the Ten commandments the second one states that we should not have any" Graven images or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above or that is in the earth beneath.You shall not Bow down to them nor serve them."It clearly tell us not to have any saints of any kind of Idolatry after all God Wrote the 10 commandments with his own finger so to us it’s a commandment an order that god told us not to do.I understand that Catholics don’t have this commandment for whatever reason I do know why buy I rather not discuss that.
 
I think that most protestants don’t advocate the or even talk about saint its because since God has it written on the Ten commandments the second one states that we should not have any" Graven images or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above or that is in the earth beneath.You shall not Bow down to them nor serve them."It clearly tell us not to have any saints of any kind of Idolatry after all God Wrote the 10 commandments with his own finger so to us it’s a commandment an order that god told us not to do.I understand that Catholics don’t have this commandment for whatever reason I do know why buy I rather not discuss that.
Funny,

Paul often speaks of a race…did you ever wonder why…
Therefore, since we are surrounded by such a great cloud of witnesses, let us throw off everything that hinders and the sin that so easily entangles, and let us run with perseverance the race marked out for us.
How did you do that?..Do What? You know…learn how to do that? Oh That…Well you see that guy over there…yeah…well he did it…you are kidding…and if you go and ask him how he did it you can do it too…Nawwwww…yup…he does that…and you know that girl over there she showed me this…reaaaaallly…yeah…and so if I do what he does and learn what she does then I can do what you do…oh no…why not?..well there are lots more things that I can do…that I learned from that one, and that one…and he got it from that one…and…do ya mean that I have to keep learnin and stuff to…wait a minute…you mean that you have this cloud of witnesses you been studying with…yup…that is it…

Have you ever thought about what it would be like to just do stuff and not think about possibly other folks have done it too…yeah…but no one does that…

Hey wanna look at my Bible…why?..There are lots of folks in there that have done some stuff too…ya mean I might learn somethin…dunno…depends…on what?

ifn ya are open to learnin…
 
Molly Mac…your indoctrination is preventing you from understanding the communion of saints.

Do you ask your friends to pray for you?

Think just how more powerful the prayers of the saints who are at the altar of God and face Him.

That is the benefit of being in Christ’s Church – the communion of saints, living and dead…although we do not consider ourselves anything until we endure to the end in the Lord…the benefit is we are a fraternal communion based on the mystery or dimension of God that is not of this world. We are not alone. We are with others growing closer to God each day…with those below and in union with those in heaven.

Before Christ’s resurrection, the souls of the just waited outside the gates of hell, and the Lord descended to release them and take them to heaven. This movement of the Lord changes the dimension of faith…that before – the anticipation of the faithful Jewish believers…a community and nation of believers waiting for the Lord,–to the new paradigm shift…where the nation of the Lord – the Church – is now all believers united to Him.

Otherwise you have the faith deduced to the Sacred Word of God and His people based on book form, that only shows Christ’s magnificence up to the end of Revelation. In contrast, the faith is of the Church is only beginning.

So to fill in the missing parts of understanding the fullness of faith, you have to go beyond faith in book/text form…back to the people of salvation history…faith passed down through the Oral Tradition, fulfilled in the Oral Tradition of Jesus Christ and given us by His witnesses to His life, death, and resurrection – His apostles…not books of the Bible.

The gates of heaven are now open because of Jesus Christ, and consequently…the Church now the new Israel, we are now not just drawing on people of faith in the Old Testament, but on the lives of the saints whose entire beings were transformed by faith in Jesus Christ.

There is so much of what has happened in Christianity in the past 2,000 years. You should start reading the lives of the saints and compare their lives with modern Christian living.

You need to be open to learning about Christian witnesses to the faith, besides the ancient Israelites.
KG. I’ve been down this road before with Catholic family. I’m fairly familiar with what is believed by Catholics as far as saint intercession, “communion of saints”, the doctrine of theosis, and things of the like. Once again, I ride the fence on some things, but this I will not. I read the lives of saints daily. Daily. I am quite open to learning about Christian witnesses to the faith, besides the ancient Israelites, though I enjoy the Old Testement of the Bible very much. All things point to Christ. Whom I pray to. It is not necessary for me to pray to a Saint in order to get to Jesus, so I will pray to Him. And I will not judge those who feel it’s necessary to pray to saints.
 
I think that most protestants don’t advocate the or even talk about saint its because since God has it written on the Ten commandments the second one states that we should not have any" Graven images or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above or that is in the earth beneath.You shall not Bow down to them nor serve them."It clearly tell us not to have any saints of any kind of Idolatry after all God Wrote the 10 commandments with his own finger so to us it’s a commandment an order that god told us not to do.I understand that Catholics don’t have this commandment for whatever reason I do know why buy I rather not discuss that.
Mr. Funny… thank you for joining us on this forum! The best thing about being a member of CAF, is smashing the rocks of ignorance with the hammer of enlightenment! I’m sure you’re here to learn more about Catholicism, and we are very happy to help!!!

Well… I can tell you for a fact that God, and His Son, Jesus Christ are the ONLY ONES worshiped in any Catholic Church anywhere. The statues ARE NOT worshiped. They are likenesses of great men and women who have come before us. Look at the Lincoln Memorial in Washington D.C. Or Mount Rushmore. Or maybe the statues of Wayne Gretzky in Edmonton, Michael Jordan in Chicago, and Bobby Orr in Boston. Do you keep photos of family? Maybe a gnome or cherub in your garden? Statues. Sculpture. Art. That’s all it is… That’s all it ever was.
 
This is a song we would quite often sing in services when I was a child-
I attended a protestant church.

For all the saints, who from their labors rest,
who thee by faith before the world confessed,
thy name, O Jesus, be forever blest.
Alleluia, Alleluia!
  1. Thou wast their rock, their fortress, and their might;
    thou Lord, their captain in the well-fought fight;
    thou in the darkness drear, their one true light.
    Alleluia, Alleluia!
  2. O may thy soldiers, faithful, true, and bold,
    fight as the saints who nobly fought of old,
    and win with them the victor’s crown of gold.
    Alleluia, Alleluia!
  3. O blest communion, fellowship divine!
    We feebly struggle, they in glory shine;
    yet all are one in thee, for all are thine.
    Alleluia, Alleluia!
  4. And when the strife is fierce, the warfare long,
    steals on the ear the distant triumph song,
    and hearts are brave again, and arms are strong.
    Alleluia, Alleluia!
  5. From earth’s wide bounds, from ocean’s farthest coast,
    through gates of pearl streams in the countless host,
    singing to Father, Son, and Holy Ghost:
    Alleluia, Alleluia!
 
This is a song we would quite often sing in services when I was a child-
I attended a protestant church.

For all the saints, who from their labors rest,
who thee by faith before the world confessed,
thy name, O Jesus, be forever blest.
Alleluia, Alleluia!
  1. Thou wast their rock, their fortress, and their might;
    thou Lord, their captain in the well-fought fight;
    thou in the darkness drear, their one true light.
    Alleluia, Alleluia!
  2. O may thy soldiers, faithful, true, and bold,
    fight as the saints who nobly fought of old,
    and win with them the victor’s crown of gold.
    Alleluia, Alleluia!
  3. O blest communion, fellowship divine!
    We feebly struggle, they in glory shine;
    yet all are one in thee, for all are thine.
    Alleluia, Alleluia!
  4. And when the strife is fierce, the warfare long,
    steals on the ear the distant triumph song,
    and hearts are brave again, and arms are strong.
    Alleluia, Alleluia!
  5. From earth’s wide bounds, from ocean’s farthest coast,
    through gates of pearl streams in the countless host,
    singing to Father, Son, and Holy Ghost:
    Alleluia, Alleluia!
Lutheran? A very beautiful song. Thank you for sharing that. 🙂
 
I think that most protestants don’t advocate the or even talk about saint its because since God has it written on the Ten commandments the second one states that we should not have any" Graven images or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above or that is in the earth beneath.You shall not Bow down to them nor serve them."It clearly tell us not to have any saints of any kind of Idolatry after all God Wrote the 10 commandments with his own finger so to us it’s a commandment an order that god told us not to do.I understand that Catholics don’t have this commandment for whatever reason I do know why buy I rather not discuss that.
From this CA tract you will find answers to your misunderstanding…catholic.com/tracts/do-catholics-worship-statues

From which I will cite…and I hope you are here to learn and dispel your misunderstandings…

Hiding the Second Commandment?

Another charge sometimes made by Protestants is that the Catholic Church “hides” the second commandment. This is because in Catholic catechisms, the first commandment is often listed as “You shall have no other gods before me” (Ex. 20:3), and the second is listed as “You shall not take the name of the Lord in vain.” (Ex. 20:7). From this, it is argued that Catholics have deleted the prohibition of idolatry to justify their use of religious statues. But this is false. Catholics simply group the commandments differently from most Protestants.

In Exodus 20:2—17, which gives the Ten Commandments, there are actually fourteen imperative statements. To arrive at Ten Commandments, some statements have to be grouped together, and there is more than one way of doing this. Since, in the ancient world, polytheism and idolatry were always united–idolatry being the outward expression of polytheism–the historic Jewish numbering of the Ten Commandments has always grouped together the imperatives “You shall have no other gods before me” (Ex. 20:3) and “You shall not make for yourself a graven image” (Ex. 20:4). The historic Catholic numbering follows the Jewish numbering on this point, as does the historic Lutheran numbering. Martin Luther recognized that the imperatives against polytheism and idolatry are two parts of a single command.

Jews and Christians abbreviate the commandments so that they can be remembered using a summary, ten-point formula. For example, Jews, Catholics, and Protestants typically summarize the Sabbath commandment as, “Remember the Sabbath to keep it holy,” though the commandment’s actual text takes four verses (Ex. 20:8—11).

When the prohibition of polytheism/idolatry is summarized, Jews, Catholics, and Lutherans abbreviate it as “You shall have no other gods before me.” This is no attempt to “hide” the idolatry prohibition (Jews and Lutherans don’t even use statues of saints and angels). It is to make learning the Ten Commandments easier.

The Catholic Church is not dogmatic about how the Ten Commandments are to be numbered, however. The Catechism of the Catholic Church says, “The division and numbering of the Commandments have varied in the course of history. The present catechism follows the division of the Commandments established by Augustine, which has become traditional in the Catholic Church. It is also that of the Lutheran confession. The Greek Fathers worked out a slightly different division, which is found in the Orthodox Churches and Reformed communities” (CCC 2066).
 
Molly…that is good you read the lives of the saints…

But I do not know where you are being told you must pray to them. We as Church pray and honor the saints mentioned in our Mass. That alone suffices.

I just think people have hard feelings about the Catholic Church that are not really based on truth of our faith. And that comes from poor leadership who are not committed to the truth.
 
I remember learning about the early Christians and the Romans and them being killed and dying for Christ.

But it was never connected with the Catholic Church. Even though they were martyrs, they must have been Protestant, I guess. 😉
The early Christians were had one faith, and were all part of one Church. So they were Catholic, they couldn’t have been Protestant, because the Protestant Reformation only seriously began in the sixteenth century and these Protestants thought they could follow Christ without being in communion with the Pope and the bishops and by extension the rest of the Christian world.
 
Molly…that is good you read the lives of the saints…

But I do not know where you are being told you must pray to them. We as Church pray and honor the saints mentioned in our Mass. That alone suffices.

I just think people have hard feelings about the Catholic Church that are not really based on truth of our faith. And that comes from poor leadership who are not committed to the truth.
No one has told me I “must” pray to saints. I take that back. I was told I must pray to Mary. Regardless, I have been told I should pray to the saints as intercessors because it is more efficacious.
 
To honor those who have gone on before us isn’t an issue…at least not in my opinion. We are told we are surrounded by a “great cloud of witnesses”…we are “cheered on” from the “Grandstands”. If those who have gone on before, see us in our struggles, I see no reason not to believe they would automatically pray for us as we make our own Journey back to the Presence.

I personally just can’t get my mind around asking someone to pray for me that “XYZ” occurs when God has already decreeed how “XYZ” would work itself out.

I do not believe any saint, living or dead, would pray for something outside the will of God…or how calling upon them to interceed on our behalf because they supposedly hold a “closer” relationship to God than I…we “see thru a glass dark’y” in this world…I have no idea what lies on before…but there is One who Listens and doesn’t require the intercession on my behalf by others…their intercession is always welcome…but I do not believe the Will and Mind of God would be impacted in the least…to me it follows under “mystery”.

If asking those who have gone on before us to interceed for you and your life is better…your touch more gentle…your words kinder because you do so…wonderful…if however such an endeavor causes one to question the depth of another’s spiritual life because that person sees no benefit in such a practice…perhaps a deep issue is involved.🤷
I would agree with you. I have seen statements that God would be more willing to listen to those who are with Him now in Heaven and are now without sin. I think that this is an anthropomorphism implying that, like us, God would listen to people closer to Him than others. If this were the case it would seem to me that there are two possibilities.
  1. God was right in refusing the prayer but the intercession of a saint changes His mind so He will do something wrong.
  2. God was wrong in refusing a prayer and needs the intercession of a saint to do what is right.
Both of these are unacceptable in my view. This does not mean we cannot pray for others as it demonstrates our love for them but to suggest they can change God’s decision would demean the position of God as perfection.
 
No one tells you have to pray to Mary. But you do accord her proper honor as a Catholic/Orthodox.

If you do not understand the comprehension of Who Jesus Christ is, His work of salvation and redemption to the degree that is taught in Catholicism, you will not understand the significance of Mary’s role in the plan of salvation.

What you are instead hearing are deliberate misrepresentations of what we believe and how we practice.

To say that we need mortal men as intercessors to God is false.

We go to Mass on Sunday…compare this to private interpretation and Bible services on Sunday…I don’t mean to put any of it down…I have attended Protestant services and have been nurtured in Christ through listening to the Word through the Holy Spirit.

But it is incomparable in how we truly worship Christ vs the spin that we ‘worship’ Mary.

You have to check out what preachers are teaching.

There is absolutely no correlation in belief and practice in how we actually worship Christ on Sunday where we receive Him directly into our hearts and souls vs our proper veneration and honor of His mother.

When we go to Mass on Sunday, we are directly receiving the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ. I can’t see any other denomination meeting this.

Jesus, the Word Made Flesh…the Incarnation…the Virgin Mary conceived of the Holy Spirit…the Incarnation of Jesus, God into Jesus God and Man.

A good site is www.calledtocommunion.com that has essays written by former Protestant ministers who explain the difficulties they began to discover, the gnawing concern that the Catholic Church could be right and true in bringing us Christ, to their final conversion through study and reflection.

Revelations speak of the locusts with long hair who have the power to poison souls…these are false teachers whose teachings violate and penetrate the soul, and turn them away from the One True Lord and His remaining and actual presence among us.
 
=KathleenGee;9573532]No one tells you have to pray to Mary. But you do accord her proper honor as a Catholic/Orthodox.
If you do not understand the comprehension of Who Jesus Christ is, His work of salvation and redemption to the degree that is taught in Catholicism, you will not understand the significance of Mary’s role in the plan of salvation.
:clapping: This is the key. regard all and any honor one give the Blessed Virgin in the light of Christ. The Lutheran Confessions confirm her ever virgin status in the section of the Formula of Concord call “The Person of Christ”. It is about Christ, and the role she plays in God’s plan of grace and salvation.
We go to Mass on Sunday…compare this to private interpretation and Bible services on Sunday…I don’t mean to put any of it down…I have attended Protestant services and have been nurtured in Christ through listening to the Word through the Holy Spirit.
And His Spirit is clearly involved in the Liturgy of the Word in a Catholic Mass.
But it is incomparable in how we truly worship Christ vs the spin that we ‘worship’ Mary.
Agreed, Catholics do not worship the Blessed Virgin.
When we go to Mass on Sunday, we are directly receiving the Body and Blood, Soul and Divinity of Jesus Christ. I can’t see any other denomination meeting this.
We do.
Jesus, the Word Made Flesh…the Incarnation…the Virgin Mary conceived of the Holy Spirit…the Incarnation of Jesus, God into Jesus God and Man.
Formula of Concord:
*On account of this personal union and communion of the natures, Mary, the most blessed Virgin, bore not a mere man, but, as the angel [Gabriel] testifies, such a man as is truly the Son of the most high God, who showed His divine majesty even in His mother’s womb, inasmuch as He was born of a virgin, with her virginity inviolate. Therefore she is truly the mother of God, and nevertheless remained a virgin. *

Jon
 
Thanks, Jon, and I do not think Martin Luther had issues with Mary…

How I pray for our actual reunion…!!!

I am referring to primarily Calvinistic non-denominationals whose construct is partially indoctrinating its people in its misrepresentation of the universal Catholic faith. I also read that Calvin himself wanted to stop the prayers of the Liturgy of the Hours because he considered them superstitious…how one can call the praying of the psalms of the Word of God and the hours throughout the day in community is being superstitious.
 
This is a song we would quite often sing in services when I was a child-
I attended a protestant church.

For all the saints, who from their labors rest,
who thee by faith before the world confessed,
thy name, O Jesus, be forever blest.
Alleluia, Alleluia!
  1. Thou wast their rock, their fortress, and their might;
    thou Lord, their captain in the well-fought fight;
    thou in the darkness drear, their one true light.
    Alleluia, Alleluia!
  2. O may thy soldiers, faithful, true, and bold,
    fight as the saints who nobly fought of old,
    and win with them the victor’s crown of gold.
    Alleluia, Alleluia!
  3. O blest communion, fellowship divine!
    We feebly struggle, they in glory shine;
    yet all are one in thee, for all are thine.
    Alleluia, Alleluia!
  4. And when the strife is fierce, the warfare long,
    steals on the ear the distant triumph song,
    and hearts are brave again, and arms are strong.
    Alleluia, Alleluia!
  5. From earth’s wide bounds, from ocean’s farthest coast,
    through gates of pearl streams in the countless host,
    singing to Father, Son, and Holy Ghost:
    Alleluia, Alleluia!
I sang this as a young lass in the protestant church my family attended. Though, I was not of Lutheran faith.
 
JC, I do have a question regarding the rosary. When my coworker goes to confession and they have finished confessing their sins to the priest and the priest gives them what my coworker calls thier “do-ty”(his outlandish play on words ‘duty’) -I don’t know the proper name- works of satisfaction I think, and he must say the rosary so many times along with other acts, isn’t that saying you “must” pray to Mary. My catholic family members always said they “had” to pray their prayers to Mary. It was a “must”. Thankyou for your patience in advance.
 
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