Why do protestant ministers where the collars of a priest?

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OK, then principle applies from Scripture? Priests from the OT did not wear the common clothes of the day. šŸ˜› or did they?
The book of Hebrews tells us that Jesus did away with the priestly system and the New Covenant succeeded the Old.
 
You guys are seriously arguing about a collar!? A piece o’ plastic?

Protestent/Christians…just give it to em’…lol…they wore it first…who cares…lol
 
I am truly trying to ask this question in a respectful manner, I intend no bashing or uncharitable remarks towards protestants.

I noticed that many, not all protestant ministers where collars and cossacks outside of their own churches which makes them look like a Catholic (Eastern and Latin Rite) priest. I saw a female minister who wore the black cossack and white collar, just like a priest. Why would protestant ministers want to resemble a Catholic priest when they often have serious differences in doctrine; especially with female ministers/bishops? Also with confession doctrine that is often associated with the collar (for Catholics)?
What I do not understand Is protstants calling them Bishop you have Bishop Jake and then you have Benny Hinn who has his unform
 
Everyone knows that a Catholic priest first wore the collar centuries ago. Do you want to look like a Catholic priest? what do you think of the Wesley brothers whom started your religion?
http://www.revneal.org/Resources/johnwesley.gif
John

http://www.revneal.org/Resources/charleswesley423.jpg
Charles

You mean John and Charles Wesley, two Anglican Priest who wore clericals and who founded the Methodist reformed movement which, following the American Revolution, resulted in the founding of the Methodist Episcopal Church in the new USA? Good guys, faithful sacramentarians. Wore ā€œpreaching bandsā€ on their collars, as was common in their day.

sacred-destinations.com/england/london-wesley-chapel-photos/slides/350d_0163p.htm

I’ve worn them, too … but not in a long time, since I normally wear Alb, Stole, and Chasuble and not cassock, surplice, and stole.
 
I am truly trying to ask this question in a respectful manner, I intend no bashing or uncharitable remarks towards protestants.

I noticed that many, not all protestant ministers where collars and cossacks outside of their own churches which makes them look like a Catholic (Eastern and Latin Rite) priest. I saw a female minister who wore the black cossack and white collar, just like a priest. Why would protestant ministers want to resemble a Catholic priest when they often have serious differences in doctrine; especially with female ministers/bishops? Also with confession doctrine that is often associated with the collar (for Catholics)?
My personal opinion is - because all Truth comes from the Catholic Church, and to ā€œappearā€ as if one teaches the Truth gives them an air of authority (which they do not possess), and leads followers somewhere they think they are going, but sadly never arrive.

In short - it is to deceive. Perhaps not knowingly or with direct intent, but in the end it is a deception. Just because one looks like a Catholic priest does not mean that the fullness of Truth comes in the box with the collar. I can see no other reason why anyone who is NOT Catholic would wish to appear as if they are unless they intend to deceive. If you do not agree with the fullness of Truth, why in the world would you ever want to look like you do?

History has nothing to do with this. The fact remains that, here and now, in 2009, black clerics with a white collar are associated immediately with the Catholic priesthood (I am speaking from an American perspective), and this has been the case for ages and has not changed. So why do non-Catholics want to look Catholic - unless they want to impart the appearance of Truth.

~Liza
 
You mean John and Charles Wesley, two Anglican Priest who wore clericals and who founded the Methodist reformed movement which, following the American Revolution, resulted in the founding of the Methodist Episcopal Church in the new USA? Good guys, faithful sacramentarians. Wore ā€œpreaching bandsā€ on their collars, as was common in their day.

sacred-destinations.com/england/london-wesley-chapel-photos/slides/350d_0163p.htm

I’ve worn them, too … but not in a long time, since I normally wear Alb, Stole, and Chasuble and not cassock, surplice, and stole.

How interesting. I got a kick out of this
This type of neckwear with two bands signified the status of a lawyer, Anglican priest, or non-conformist minister.
 
http://www.revneal.org/Resources/johnwesley.gif
John

http://www.revneal.org/Resources/charleswesley423.jpg
Charles

You mean John and Charles Wesley, two Anglican Priest who wore clericals and who founded the Methodist reformed movement which, following the American Revolution, resulted in the founding of the Methodist Episcopal Church in the new USA? Good guys, faithful sacramentarians. Wore ā€œpreaching bandsā€ on their collars, as was common in their day.

sacred-destinations.com/england/london-wesley-chapel-photos/slides/350d_0163p.htm

I’ve worn them, too … but not in a long time, since I normally wear Alb, Stole, and Chasuble and not cassock, surplice, and stole.
Yes, two men who founded your religion in the 1800’s, not the man Jesus Christ. and wrong, the collar was worn much more earlier than that. Monks use to wear the cassocks in their Monasteries.
 
Yes, two men who founded your religion in the 1800’s, not the man Jesus Christ. and wrong, the collar was worn much more earlier than that. Monks use to wear the cassocks in their Monasteries.
John and Charles Wesley founded the Methodist Sacramental and Evangelical reform movement within the Church of England in the 1700s. John Wesley then made it possible for the Methodist Episcopal Church to be founded in the new United States in 1784. It is not a ā€œreligionā€ as such but a brand, a flavor, or a denomination of Christianity … a religion started by Jesus and passed down to us through the centuries of Catholic Christianity.

I didn’t say that John and Charles Wesley began the wearing of clericals, only that they wore them … as do I. I am aware that the wearing of clerical collars comes to me from the Roman Catholic Church through the Anglican Church. So do the vestments which I wear. So does the Holy Bible, from which I preach. So do the Apostles’ and Nicene Creeds, with which we profess our faith week after week. Must I also give up the Holy Bible and the Creeds because they come to us through Catholic Christianity?

Why are you being so argumentative with me? I don’t wish to argue with you … I was simply answering a question from someone else. I’m sorry if you didn’t like my answer.

Grace and Peace,
 
Everyone knows that a Catholic priest first wore the collar centuries ago. Do you want to look like a Catholic priest? what do you think of the Wesley brothers whom started your religion?
If this is you I like the one in the middle,In fact you look like the priest that was teaching me in High school My Catechism and that be Cathloic smile
 
John and Charles Wesley founded the Methodist Sacramental and Evangelical reform movement within the Church of England in the 1700s. John Wesley then made it possible for the Methodist Episcopal Church to be founded in the new United States in 1784. It is not a ā€œreligionā€ as such but a brand, a flavor, or a denomination of Christianity … a religion started by Jesus and passed down to us through the centuries of Catholic Christianity.

I didn’t say that John and Charles Wesley began the wearing of clericals, only that they wore them … as do I. I am aware that the wearing of clerical collars comes to me from the Roman Catholic Church through the Anglican Church. So do the vestments which I wear. So does the Holy Bible, from which I preach. So do the Apostles’ and Nicene Creeds, with which we profess our faith week after week. Must I also give up the Holy Bible and the Creeds because they come to us through Catholic Christianity?

Why are you being so argumentative with me? I don’t wish to argue with you … I was simply answering a question from someone else. I’m sorry if you didn’t like my answer.

Grace and Peace,
Well, what I don’t like Reverant, is you saying that Christ has started your Methodist church when in fact there weren’t any ā€œMethodistsā€ around to see the light of day until the Wesley brothers decided to take things into their own hands. And voila…the Methodist church. The Catholic church is the only church that has the fullness of the truth, One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic.
 
If this is you I like the one in the middle,In fact you look like the priest that was teaching me in High school My Catechism and that be Cathloic smile
No … those three photos of the same guy in the beard are all of me. šŸ™‚
 
Well, what I don’t like Reverant, is you saying that Christ has started your Methodist church when in fact there weren’t any ā€œMethodistsā€ around to see the light of day until the Wesley brothers decided to take things into their own hands. And voila…the Methodist church. The Catholic church is the only church that has the fullness of the truth, One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic.
Some people just have a caustic personality, I suppose.
I’m not going to argue. That’s not what I’m here for.

Peace be with you.
 
No … those three photos of the same guy in the beard are all of me. šŸ™‚
You got it REV right ,thats what I,m talking about,I had a Priest in high school that look just as you but as you may know he was Cathloic.*smile)
 
You got it REV right ,thats what I,m talking about,I had a Priest in high school that look just as you but as you may know he was Cathloic.*smile)
I have a doppleganger? I wonder … if he and I were to meet, and were we to touch each other, would we implode (i.e., like Matter and Antimatter?). 😃
 
Some people just have a caustic personality, I suppose.
I’m not going to argue. That’s not what I’m here for.

Peace be with you.
But it isn’t an argument. I don’t want to argue, but I’d just like you to tell me how Jesus founded the Methodist church, as you say it is from Christ…
 
But it isn’t an argument. I don’t want to argue, but I’d just like you to tell me how Jesus founded the Methodist church, as you say it is from Christ…
If you don’t want to argue, why are you putting words into my hands that I never typed? I never wrote that Jesus founded the Methodist Church but, rather, that the Methodist movements which eventually became the United Methodist Church flowed from the stream of Catholic Christianity which goes back to Jesus.

On Pentecost the Holy Spirit fell upon the Apostles and the Church was born.
The Church grew through the Roman Empire over the centuries, eventually overcoming the Empire when Constantine Established it as the religion of the Empire. The church grew and flourished into an institution that was capable of refining its doctrine and perpetuating the Holy Scriptures

Over time, debates grew as to the precision of some of these doctrines, and one of these debates eventually resulted in the tragic splitting of the Church into two halves – east and west. The church in the west continued to grow and evolve and, eventually, the Protestant Reformation on the mainland erupted over various doctrinal and political disagreements. In England, too, political whims took hold and pushed the church into a division from Rome over the issue of the authority of the monarch. This division grew and shrank, but eventually was perpetuated for political reasons. Some doctrinal influences from mainland Protestant Christianity filtered in, resulting in some Reformed Characteristics within Anglican Christianity.

Over time, within that Church of England, a lack of respect for the Sacraments and a deadness of spiritual life arose. This was responded to by reformers like John and Charles Wesley, who were Priests of the Church of England, missionaries in America, professors at Oxford, and the writers of hymns and sermons. John and Charles read widely in the Church Fathers, as well as among some of the Mainland Reformers, and thus they developed the ā€œmethodā€ which eventually became known as Methodism. It wasn’t a new discovery, but simply a reaffirmation of ancient Christian practices of applying the Means of Grace in their many manifold forms to the disciplined Christian life. Hence, morning and evening prayer, daily Eucharist, the study of Scripture, Christian conversation with other believers, doing good for others … all of these means of grace, and more, were put into a ā€œmethodā€ which the Wesleys promoted within the Church of England. Their teachings, their sermons and hymns, helped to revive the Church of England … and, particularly, the importance they placed upon sound preaching and the frequent reception of the Holy Eucharist.

The Methodist movement had grown in the colonies prior to the Revolutionary War. When the Church of England was forced to pull its clergy out of their colonial churches, the Methodist lay preachers remained behind to continue preaching and shepherd the flocks abandoned by the Church of England. However, they didn’t have the authority to baptized or celebrate the Eucharist, so for the duration of the War these were lacking among Anglican Christianity within the colonies. Following the Revolutionary War, John Wesley implored the Archbishop of Canterbury to send clergy back to America, but for political reasons he refused. Eventually, John Wesley himself enabled the founding of the Methodist Episcopal Church in America in 1784.

The Methodist Episcopal Church grew across the United States as the nation grew. It split north and south, anticipating and mirroring the civil war, and the re-united first with the non Episcopal ā€œProtestant Methodistā€ Church and then with the German Methodists (the Evangelical-United Brethren Church) to form the United Methodist Church in 1968.

The UMC’s understands itself to be part of the greater church catholic, part of the long history of Christianity going back to the Apostles, part of a continuity of faith and witness which extends back to Jesus Christ himself and filtered to us through the centuries . We don’t understand each form of Christianity – even our own – as separate religions; rather, we understand all kind of Christianity as different flavors, styles, types, communities of the Body of Christ. Institutions may be divided, but Jesus is not. At least, that is our understanding.
 
If you don’t want to argue, why are you putting words into my hands that I never typed? I never wrote that Jesus founded the Methodist Church but, rather, that the Methodist movements which eventually became the United Methodist Church flowed from the stream of Catholic Christianity which goes back to Jesus.

On Pentecost the Holy Spirit fell upon the Apostles and the Church was born.
The Church grew through the Roman Empire over the centuries, eventually overcoming the Empire when Constantine Established it as the religion of the Empire. The church grew and flourished into an institution that was capable of refining its doctrine and perpetuating the Holy Scriptures

Over time, debates grew as to the precision of some of these doctrines, and one of these debates eventually resulted in the tragic splitting of the Church into two halves – east and west. The church in the west continued to grow and evolve and, eventually, the Protestant Reformation on the mainland erupted over various doctrinal and political disagreements. In England, too, political whims took hold and pushed the church into a division from Rome over the issue of the authority of the monarch. This division grew and shrank, but eventually was perpetuated for political reasons. Some doctrinal influences from mainland Protestant Christianity filtered in, resulting in some Reformed Characteristics within Anglican Christianity.

Over time, within that Church of England, a lack of respect for the Sacraments and a deadness of spiritual life arose. This was responded to by reformers like John and Charles Wesley, who were Priests of the Church of England, missionaries in America, professors at Oxford, and the writers of hymns and sermons. John and Charles read widely in the Church Fathers, as well as among some of the Mainland Reformers, and thus they developed the ā€œmethodā€ which eventually became known as Methodism. It wasn’t a new discovery, but simply a reaffirmation of ancient Christian practices of applying the Means of Grace in their many manifold forms to the disciplined Christian life. Hence, morning and evening prayer, daily Eucharist, the study of Scripture, Christian conversation with other believers, doing good for others … all of these means of grace, and more, were put into a ā€œmethodā€ which the Wesleys promoted within the Church of England. Their teachings, their sermons and hymns, helped to revive the Church of England … and, particularly, the importance they placed upon sound preaching and the frequent reception of the Holy Eucharist.

The Methodist movement had grown in the colonies prior to the Revolutionary War. When the Church of England was forced to pull its clergy out of their colonial churches, the Methodist lay preachers remained behind to continue preaching and shepherd the flocks abandoned by the Church of England. However, they didn’t have the authority to baptized or celebrate the Eucharist, so for the duration of the War these were lacking among Anglican Christianity within the colonies. Following the Revolutionary War, John Wesley implored the Archbishop of Canterbury to send clergy back to America, but for political reasons he refused. Eventually, John Wesley himself enabled the founding of the Methodist Episcopal Church in America in 1784.

The Methodist Episcopal Church grew across the United States as the nation grew. It split north and south, anticipating and mirroring the civil war, and the re-united first with the non Episcopal ā€œProtestant Methodistā€ Church and then with the German Methodists (the Evangelical-United Brethren Church) to form the United Methodist Church in 1964.

The UMC’s understands itself to be part of the greater church catholic, part of the long history of Christianity going back to the Apostles, part of a continuity of faith and witness which extends back to Jesus Christ himself and filtered to us through the centuries . We don’t understand each form of Christianity – even our own – as separate religions; rather, we understand all kind of Christianity as different flavors, styles, types, communities of the Body of Christ. Institutions may be divided, but Jesus is not. At least, that is our understanding.
So why follow a church not established by Christ but by man?
 
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clerical_collar

It wasn’t even invented by Catholics…

Until the 19th-century English Catholic clergy were Romanised under Ultramontane influence c.1850, they wore cravats, not Roman collars. Once they wore Roman collars, Anglican Romanisers & Ritualists, and then other ā€œRomishly-affectedā€ pastors among the Non-conformist Churches in England, took up the fashion.​

 
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