Why do protestants and Catholics disagree

[Pax]

Egg4christ:

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Also, if protestants could pick up one Catholic practice, what would you suggest, and why (please don’t post “Becoming a Catholic”)
on one last note, i am unfortunately going to leave all of you until the 16th. I am leaving tommorrow on a Missions trip to Philadelphia. Please pray for us, that God would show up in unimaginable ways.
Adios

My hope for Protestants would be that they could receive the Eucharist. Short of that, I would hope that Protestants learned and imitated Catholic spirituality. In Protestant seminaries students find little in the way of materials on deep and profound spirituality written by Protestants. Catholic sources absolutely rule in this area of faith.

P.S.

Prayers are on the way for your trip to Philadelphia.

 

[GMilldvda]

if you believe you have to recieve the Eucharist to be saved, then it is you who is not saved

i see the Eucharist as just a way to remember what the Lord did for us on the cross. Only the blood of christ can save , nothing else. If you believe that then you are saved, but if you belive that and other things are needed you’re not

 

[On_my_way]

GMilldvda:

if you believe you have to recieve the Eucharist to be saved, then it is you who is not saved

i see the Eucharist as just a way to remember what the Lord did for us on the cross. Only the blood of christ can save , nothing else. If you believe that then you are saved, but if you belive that and other things are needed you’re not

So what He said at the last supper is symbolic and not real. So if one just believes in Jesus than he/she will be saved. Is that it. No wonder there are so many protestant groups where I live and only one Catholic Church. That right we have only one Catholic Church. Do you understand what I’m saying? We have Hope, New Hope, Word of Life, Calvary and so many others. If you guys are right, like you guys think you are, then why so many different groups with different views of the Bible?

You protestants want the easy way to heaven, just believe and you are in. For you protestants who work, let me ask you this. Do you just show up to work and do nothing and expect to get paid or do you guys actually work? Because that what being a Catholic is all about Faith and Works. The Eucharist is Real my friend and it’s a shame that you just don’t get to be as close to Jesus as us Catholics are.

You said that all you have to do is believe, right. I said this in our RCIA class. Go out and ask 10 people if they believe in Jesus and ask the same 10 if they have faith in Jesus and I told them more people would say they believe in Him and less would say they have Faith in Him. Just because you believe doesn’t mean you have Faith. Read Mk 4:35-41, JN 21:24-29. It tells you not to just believe but also have Faith.

 

[threej_lc]

GMilldvda:

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i see the Eucharist as just a way to remember what the Lord did for us on the cross. Only the blood of christ can save , nothing else. If you believe that then you are saved, but if you belive that and other things are needed you’re not

Way to contradict the bible and Christ!

John 6:

53 Jesus said to them, "Amen, amen, I say to you, unless you eat the flesh of the Son of Man and drink his blood, you do not have life within you. 54 Whoever eats 19 my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him on the last day. 55 For my flesh is true food, and my blood is true drink.

 

[jonnyz]

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=62267

I’m still trying to figure out the disconect between Catholics and Protestants…
Then, try and isolate the issues you have with protestants to one or two larger ideas, and lets discuss them. Hopefully, through discssion, we’ll find that maybe our barriars are overcomable.

I guess I am curious to see if we can ‘discuss’ without getting into endless debates in interpreting scriptures. Personally I don’t call myself any denomination except Christian and I strive to be as close to the biblical meaning of that word as possible. Forgive me if I say something incorrect about the Catholic or Protestant faith, I mean no disrespect. Lets discuss salvation.

I think that protestants believe this is the way to be saved. Correct me if I am wrong.
Salvation by grace thru faith in Jesus. (Romans 3:21-26)(Gal 2:16) (Acts 16:31) (John 6: 47). “That in the ages to come He might show the exceeding riches of His grace, in His kindness toward us, through Jesus Christ. For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is a gift of God: not of works, lest any man should boast.” Ephesians 2:7-9.
They interpret that grace as a universal pardon that you can be made accepted in Christ only by repentance and believing, and doing works in line with that repentance. Paul / Saul preached the Gospel to King Agrippa in Caesarea. See (Acts 26:19). And he almost convinced him to be Christian. In summary, you are made righteous by believing in Jesus, repenting because you believe what he said we are counted as sinners without his righteousness, and finally you do works in line with that repentance. We need to be made righteous because we are all born inheriting the sin of Adam. See Romans ch. 5. Hence we are “saved”.

I think this is what the RCC teaches, correct me if I am wrong. It teaches you must partake of the 7 Sacraments in order to have the grace given to you. And I also get the impression that you have to be a catholic and obey all teachings/practices of the RCC as best u can.
CCC#1129 “The Church affirms that for believers the sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for salvation. ‘Sacramental grace’ is the grace of the Holy Spirit, given by Christ and proper to each sacrament.”

CCC#824 “It is in the Church that ‘the fullness of the means of salvation’ has been deposited. It is in her that ‘by the grace of God we acquire holiness.’”

“No one, even if he pour out his blood for the Name of Christ, can be saved, unless he remain within the bosom and the unity of the Catholic Church.” -Ecumenical Council of Florence

I found this writing (bout 2 pgs) to eloquently describe the Catholic/Protestant dogmatic problem more specifically. read the last 2 paragraphs if you dont want to read the whole thing… mountainretreatorg.net/articles/cath1.html

 

[puzzleannie]

forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=62267

I’mI posted the above link because there is a thread there that describes the Charasmatic Catholic movement. I can’t speak for everyone, but when i look at the Catholic church, i see two things. First, is a lack of an emotional connection with christ that is found in more charasmatic movements.
I’m sorry, but when i look at Catholics, it just seems as if the majority are oblivious to this emotional connection with christ. They say they know him, but they use the word “know” in referring to a head knowledge. They don’t experience christ.

for one thing by observing me you have no idea what my inner spiritual experience is, you have no basis for judging my relationship with Jesus Christ. Emotional reactions are not a valid indication of religious fervor, nor of the depth of human love relationships. If I yell and scream at my husband when I am angry, or weep copiously when he hurts my feelings, or laugh hysterically when he pleases me, does that say anything about the depth of my love for him, or does it say something about my personality.

You cannot judge someone’s piety, obedience to God’s commandments, and the depth of their love for Jesus by their outward emotional demeanor, although their behavior and treatment of others, especially those close to them, their enemies, and the poor may give some good indications of their commitment to following Jesus.

 

[Swiss_Guard]

I heard Fr. Paul Campbell on Wednesday’s Catholic Answers Live. He said he was a convert to the Catholic faith after being a Southern Baptist. Fr. Campbell said that Protestantism doesn’t really stand for anything, it only exists to stand against the Catholic Church. He even mentioned that Protestantism came about from “protesting” the Catholic Church.

I believe this is the biggest reason Catholics and Protestants don’t agree on much. If Protestants agreed with Catholics they wouldn’t have anything to protest and would have to become Catholic.

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[hermit]

Why do husbands and wifes disagree, why do siblings disagree, whu do co-workers disagree, etc. It is human nature to disagree.

 

[MrS]

I heard Fr. Paul Campbell on Wednesday’s Catholic Answers Live. He said he was a convert to the Catholic faith after being a Southern Baptist. Fr. Campbell said that Protestantism doesn’t really stand for anything, it only exists to stand against the Catholic Church. He even mentioned that Protestantism came about from “protesting” the Catholic Church.

I believe this is the biggest reason Catholics and Protestants don’t agree on much. If Protestants agreed with Catholics they wouldn’t have anything to protest and would have to become Catholic.

simple statement… but it makes sense. We disagree because there should be no compromise on the truth. One of us us right, the other is wrong (not right-lite).

 

[Isidore_AK]

I have to agree with Scylla here.

I am not an emotional person in the least- I’m known in my family for having a heart of steel. I cry after receiving the Eucharist. I cry after a good confession. I cry during prayer. There is nothing like kneeling at the foot of a large crucifex and looking up at Christ on the cross as you pray. During the Mass, all of my attention is focused; upon the readings, upon the homily, and especially upon the Eucharist. I draw great strength from the Saints & Angels in heaven, especially our Blessed Mother. It comforts me to know that they pray for us…

Protestants do not have the Mass. They do not offer God his most perfect sacrafice. Church for them is usually a ‘Worship & Praise’ service…and that is not the Mass. Most of the services I have attended in non-Catholic settings were Baptist of non-denom churches, they had good (sometimes great) music, emotional ‘Testimonies’, Altar-Calls, and the Pastors were very charismatic (in the sense that they attracted people, not pentacostals). They had appeal to emotionalism, but they did not have Christ. People went there because it was fun. There was no sense of God’s presence. It was found to be lacking.

I guess I’m rambling on…

 

[gardenswithkids]

To answer the original question, Protestants and Catholics disagree because our teachings ultimately contradict. If Jesus established a church it’s either the Catholic church or some other church. We disagree about which church He established.

Egg4christ:

Pax, you are very wise, articulating what i could not.
Yeah, i guess i am seeking testimonies of sorts.
…Please, if you don’t mind, contribute some testimonies, just to share your life of christ with me. .

I will private message you my testimony as it creates a lengthy post and contains some personal stuff I don’t want made public on the internet.

Egg4christ:

Also, if protestants could pick up one Catholic practice, what would you suggest, and why.

If you want to see real testimonies of what faith in Jesus looks like when it’s lived well, get to know the saints. Read their autobiographies and other writings. Maybe even try asking them to pray for you–they are your fellow Christians and they are alive in Christ. That’s my suggestion for a Catholic practice worth aquiring.

One of my favorite saints is St. Teresa of Avila–now there was someone with a personal relationship with Jesus! St. Fracis de Sales is another great writer with powerful instruction on how to develop a pesonal relationship with Christ. And St. Therese, the little flower, might give you a better understanding of the quiet love for Jesus in Catholicism. These people aren’t gods–but they show some of God’s greatest work. Their lives show us what following Christ can look like in all types of circumstances.

 

[koda]

Everyone in my family is either Southern Baptist (2 ministers) or Pentecostal. I converted to Catholicism when I was 29 because God called me to do so, promising that the Catholic Church was where I would find what I was searching for. Of course, He was right. I was always drawn to the Catholic Church. I remember going to church as a kid and always feeling that there was nothing there, just a big empty room - and that was long before I knew anything about the Eucharistic Presence. Any why was the cross bare? Where was Christ? My family is from rural Kentucky (though almost all have moved to the city in my generation). My mom was a child during WWII and had Germans and Catholics in the same category. I’ve been blessed that by the time I converted my family had mellowed a bit on the subject and they all accept and respect my choice. I thank God everyday for bringing me hom to the Catholic Church. All of the doctrines immediately made perfect sense to me - I never had any problem with the Real Presence, Mary, the Saints, the pope, or anything else - another blessing. I often cry during communion, and at other times during the Mass. I get so choked up I can’t sing (not that I sing so great anyway). Yes, I know Christ and He knows me.

 

[Egg4christ]

I was going to temporarily leave my (semi-)reserved attitude, and really let loose on my frusterations, but it’s not worth it.
I suppose i would leave it with this. Some of you have suggested that I take up the eucharist as a Catholic practice, yet so many of you have warned me against it, quoting the scriptures about how Non-believers are not supposed to partake.
After all this disscussion, you still don’t see that i know christ? That saddens me. That fifty-one posts and 666 viewings after i started this, and we still can’t agree that there may be salvation outside our own faith. That we all still look at everyone else as the enemy, it hurts. This is the split in the church.

 

[On_my_way]

Egg4christ:

I was going to temporarily leave my (semi-)reserved attitude, and really let loose on my frusterations, but it’s not worth it.
I suppose i would leave it with this. Some of you have suggested that I take up the eucharist as a Catholic practice, yet so many of you have warned me against it, quoting the scriptures about how Non-believers are not supposed to partake.
After all this disscussion, you still don’t see that i know christ? That saddens me. That fifty-one posts and 666 viewings after i started this, and we still can’t agree that there may be salvation outside our own faith. That we all still look at everyone else as the enemy, it hurts. This is the split in the church.

What do you mean…Ah forget it!!!

 

[deb1]

Egg4christ:

I was going to temporarily leave my (semi-)reserved attitude, and really let loose on my frusterations, but it’s not worth it.
I suppose i would leave it with this. Some of you have suggested that I take up the eucharist as a Catholic practice, yet so many of you have warned me against it, quoting the scriptures about how Non-believers are not supposed to partake.
After all this disscussion, you still don’t see that i know christ? That saddens me. That fifty-one posts and 666 viewings after i started this, and we still can’t agree that there may be salvation outside our own faith. That we all still look at everyone else as the enemy, it hurts. This is the split in the church.

Please tell me the number of the posts that states doubts about your salvation. No one has said that you don’t know Christ. We can’t judge your relationship with God because we can’t see into your heart.

If you want to take the eucharist then attend RCIA for a year, as I am doing.

 

[Egg4christ]

Deb, why should that be neccesary?

 

[scylla]

I looked through the thread and I have seen no-one judging you or being rude to you. I invite you to try out RCIA and find out more about the Catholic Church.
If you are going to disagree with it, then feel free to learn all about it from Catholics so that you do disagree with what it actually is.

Now in regards to the Eucharist, you cannot partake not because you are an unbeliever in Christ, but possibly because you don’t fully believe in the Catholic Church. I believe you love Christ and are a Christian as most here do.

We just want to share the Eucharist with you and have you enjoy the richness of the faith. Also because Jesus invites us to partake of the Eucharist.

God Bless
Scylla

 

[Egg4christ]

But every time i respond, there is an answer back claiming “i don’t have enough”, that i’m not a full enough christian without the Catholic church.

 

[gardenswithkids]

Egg4christ:

But every time i respond, there is an answer back claiming “i don’t have enough”, that i’m not a full enough christian without the Catholic church.

Forgive us if we come across as looking down on you for not being Catholic. I don’t. I think it is admirable that you have a relationship with Jesus and that you seek to find unity with other Christians.

Whether or not a bunch of strangers on the internet think you are a “full enough Christian” is irrelevant. You have a relationship with Jesus; talk to Him about it. Ask Him if He wants anything else for you, and be prepared to go where He sends you.

You seem frustrated trying to communicate with Catholics here on the internet. I once again strongly recommend that you try learning about Catholics through the saints. I earlier recommended my favorites, but as I thought about it more, I have a couple of other names of people you might like to get to know: St. John Bosco and St. Dominic Savio. Here’s a couple of links: http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/02689d.htm
http://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=43

 

[buzzcut]

Oh … I see this thread has come back to life again.

Egg4christ:

Buzzcut, maybe i’ll enlighten you on my short past when the time presents itself… soon maybe.

Yes, please do. Depending on exactly what your experience is, I may be the opposite of you … I just joined the Church at Easter, though I was Anglican/Episcopal before.