Why do Protestants celebrate Reformation Day?

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Commemorating is a far better approach. The Prayer of the Church should focus on prayers for reconciliation

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What I saw Jon were sermons on historical events the congregations simply could not relate to at their present time, let alone make it applicable. Armchair theologians can debate those issues forever on CAF, but to the average congregation they simply have little interest.
 
How can celebrating a date in history, that led to so much disunity, unite Christians?
The reformed protestants I was around, celebrated Reformation day in opposition of what is being celebrated this season, Halloween, which they find offensive and ungodly. They don’t celebrate Reformation to unite anything.
 
Whenever I see Protestants celebrating their “liberation” day, it always reminds me of the rebellion of Korah and his followers.
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and held an assembly against Moses and Aaron, to whom they said, “Enough from you! The whole community, all of them, are holy; the LORD is in their midst. Why then should you set yourselves over the LORD’S congregation?” - Numbers 16:3*

And look what happened to them 🤷
 
Because truth is more important than unity. If something is true a person is obligated to become united to it even if that means separation from others who are teaching falsely.

We celebrate Reformation day because it represents the church setting the gospel free from the self righteous, law saturated teaching of the day.
Or you could be celebrating the Great Apostacy! Going away from God to follow a man
 
The day Protestants created a god in their own image and likeness. And have continued to do so for the last 498 years
That’s not what your recent popes have taught regarding Protestants. Should I accept that you are wiser then they?
 
I would think it would be very obvious why some Protestants celebrate this day.
It would be considered a day signifying liberation and a pathway back to and toward truth–not disunity, as you see it.

To call it “stupid” would be the same as non-Catholics calling Feast Days or Sainthoods or [insert celebration here] stupid–quite uncharitable.

Forum Conduct Rule #6: Catholics must be charitable in their discussions about non-Catholic belief and practice.

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I agree that the discussion needs to be charitable.

I don’t agree that the Reformation was a pathway back to truth.

I won’t whitewash the sins of those in the Catholic Church back then or now.

I can see that there are sins in all denominations as well as in the Catholic Church, and very holy people in the denominations and in the Catholic Church.

I believe that the Catholic Church contains the fullness of all that Our Lord Jesus Christ taught.
 
I agree that the discussion needs to be charitable.

I don’t agree that the Reformation was a pathway back to truth.

I won’t whitewash the sins of those in the Catholic Church back then or now.

I can see that there are sins in all denominations as well as in the Catholic Church, and very holy people in the denominations and in the Catholic Church.

I believe that the Catholic Church contains the fullness of all that Our Lord Jesus Christ taught.
Can you celebrate the fact that God delivered the Church from the Medici popes? If not for the Reformation, we might have had 500 more years of them.

Can you celebrate the fact that we are saved by grace through faith, and not by works? The Reformation brought this emphasis back.

Can you celebrate the fact that priests are now well-educated? If not for the Reformation, the Council of Trent and its reforms would not have happened.

Can you celebrate the fact that bishops are not rulers of multiple provinces and there is a separation of religion and politics? If not for the Reformation the primary focus on the church as a political entity would not have shifted.

Can you celebrate the fact that you can be a Catholic in a Protestant country without persecution? Before the Reformation there was no religious freedom.
 
Can you celebrate the fact that God delivered the Church from the Medici popes? If not for the Reformation, we might have had 500 more years of them.

Can you celebrate the fact that we are saved by grace through faith, and not by works? The Reformation brought this emphasis back.

Can you celebrate the fact that priests are now well-educated? If not for the Reformation, the Council of Trent and its reforms would not have happened.

Can you celebrate the fact that bishops are not rulers of multiple provinces and there is a separation of religion and politics? If not for the Reformation the primary focus on the church as a political entity would not have shifted.

Can you celebrate the fact that you can be a Catholic in a Protestant country without persecution? Before the Reformation there was no religious freedom.
Can you remember this is a Catholic site?
 
How can celebrating a date in history, that led to so much disunity, unite Christians?
The United States celebrates the Fourth of July. India celebrates independence from England, and both of those are celebrations of the breakup of a pretty mighty global empire.

And some Protestants (not all) celebrate Reformation Day.

Let’s go back to the English Empire thing for a second. One- even if the English Empire was a fairly good thing overall and not all that brutal compared to some other forms of colonialism, there were some things that both Indians and Americans did not particularly like or enjoy when it came to being English subjects. They were being ruled by force and were not permitted the freedom to be independent, but they fought for a variety of rights, privileges, and freedoms, and they won.

How can celebrating a date in history, that led to so much disunity, unite Christians? It probably doesn’t do much for the cause of unity, but the Reformers did have some pretty good reasons to initially try and change Catholicism, and then leave it once that didn’t work. They weren’t permitted to do so, they should have been able to but they were not permitted. So there was a lot of fighting and it opened the way for religious freedom. That is worth celebrating, is it not?

Let me ask you something. Suppose you lived in a country that’s mostly Muslim, ruled by Sharia law, you as a Christian are not allowed to evangelize or openly practice your faith and the penalty for leaving Islam (or switching to a different sect of Islam) is some form of death or dismemberment. Many other laws concerning public conduct are based on the Koran, and everyone must abide by them even if they’re not Muslim. As a Christian minority in this sort of situation, does your mind immediately begin to assess the situation based on the degree of unity that your countrymen have on the basis of shared religious belief? Or, as an alternate possibility, do you think about how much better it would be if your country could have secular laws and religious freedom while preserving peace and order?

I’ll give you one guess as to which way the Protestant mind goes with this thought experiment.

For the record- and this goes double for the relationship between church and state- even if Protestants do pray for unity with Christians in general or with the Catholic Church in particular, we absolutely do not want to return to the way things were pre-Reformation, and there’s a mountain of reasons why that, at a minimum, should be something that all Catholics can agree with.

So since that is off the table and we’re completely satisfied with the conclusion that the Reformation caused the world to be a much better place than it was previously, some Protestants will continue to celebrate Reformation Day. Most of the Protestants who do celebrate it will be more likely to stop if they can be shown a convincing and highly visible idea for a new way forward that significantly improves unity while bearing none of the negative markings of pre-Reformation Christendom. To this point, however, I don’t think we’ve seen that idea.
 
Or you could be celebrating the Great Apostacy! Going away from God to follow a man
A flat out falsehood even from a Catholic understanding of apostasy. I challenge you to quote an official Catholic document that. charges Lutherans with apostasy.

It is also a flat out falsehood to state that Lutherans follow a man other than Jesus of Nazareth. We preach Christ crucified. For one to state differently simple reveals ignorance of the Lutheran tradition on the part of the one making the claim.

Jon
 
Martin Luther King Jr. once said “The arc of the moral universe is long, but it bends toward justice.” Catholics and Protestants both have a lot to answer for at many points in their history- although I will point out that the Protestants with the most to answer for are the ones who were, until just recently, Catholic. Imagine that.

What I will argue, however, is that the totality of the Reformation’s influence has been such that it moved the needle substantially in the direction of justice, and the Catholic Church, failing to realize this, fought against it for centuries. And then there was a really awkward period of time where the Catholic Church realized it had lost but didn’t really want to admit it, and it was clearly on the wrong side of moral justice but didn’t want to admit that either.

Again, though, this doesn’t come down to individual events or specific points in history. This is a long arc that we’re looking at. Something approximately the size and length of the history of the Westphalian nation-state, with plenty of backstory to consider as well.
 
Does reformation day have any liturgical significance in any protestant church? I could understand that, much like the day of the victory of Orthodoxy is a high day in the Orthodox church.
 
Thanks, a Jharek. It’s just as annoying when Protestants make similar claims about Catholics. I just wish that kind of nonsense would stop.

Jon
 
Does reformation day have any liturgical significance in any protestant church? I could understand that, much like the day of the victory of Orthodoxy is a high day in the Orthodox church.
It’s a lesser feast/commemoration in the LCMS. We change the paraments to red, sing Lutheran hymns a bit louder than usual, and the pastor usually mentions something about it in the announcements. Occasionally, a sermon might touch gently on it (but typically as a brief example; the heart of Lutheran preaching comes from the Law and Gospel in the lectionary’s readings. My pastor didn’t even mention it this year). That’s about it. There is a small movement that would like to switch to purple, to rather emphasize the lamentable state of the one church, and the continued need for reform within it.
 
What I will argue, however, is that the totality of the Reformation’s influence has been such that it moved the needle substantially in the direction of justice, and the Catholic Church, failing to realize this, fought against it for centuries. And then there was a really awkward period of time where the Catholic Church realized it had lost but didn’t really want to admit it, and it was clearly on the wrong side of moral justice but didn’t want to admit that either
Ok… if you are referring to abuses in the Catholic Church, I agree. If you are talking about officially Teaching (Magisterially) opposition to Christ, then we disagree.

Abuse happens, we are not immune to it. The fullness of the faith is found in the Church, we are provided it.

Suffer with Christ against all unrighteousness, and uphold what He Confirms through the Church.
 
Commemorating is a far better approach. The Prayer of the Church should focus on prayers for reconciliation

Jon
Agree with this. Personally, dh and I aren’t big fans of Reformation Sunday, even though I remain a Lutheran (for now) because I agree most with the doctrine of justification as taught in the Book of Concord.
 
Thank you. I feel the same when Protestants of all stripes make unfair statements about the RCC which I know to be false. There is so much I love and admire about the RCC and EO churches, and brothers and sisters in Christ. Also my Anabaptist style brothers and sisters in Christ.
Christians need to work together the way the world is going.
 
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