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Mickey
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Edwin is correct. It is not an easy path.
Luke 13:24Strive to enter by the narrow gate: for many, I say to you, shall seek to enter and shall not be able.
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Luke 13:24Strive to enter by the narrow gate: for many, I say to you, shall seek to enter and shall not be able.
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SPOKENWORD
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Hi, I was wondering. 
I still have quite a few of free passes from my monoply game. Any body interested are welcome to them. I,m not sure St. Peter will accept them. 
God Bless
I still have quite a few of free passes from my monoply game. Any body interested are welcome to them. I,m not sure St. Peter will accept them. God Bless
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kayla
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Someone once said; and I beleive it was Thomas Howard.
“The safest faith to die in is the Catholic faith!”
“The safest faith to die in is the Catholic faith!”
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catsrus
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My sister is one of those “once saved, forever saved” jack baptists who hasn’t set foot inside a church in 20 years.
If I make an unkind remark, as I in my sinfulness am wont to do occasionally, she’s all over me like white on rice; “you call yourself a Christian?” She never misses an opportunity to bash The RCC, our doctrine, and my conversion.
She truly believes that she has her “free pass” and that she “knows EXACTLY where” she “is going after death”.
It gets VERY, VERY old listening to her sanctimonius throw-away remarks. My patience is severely tried whenever I’m in her presence. Discussion is impossible. I avoid her as much as possible as she is not open to any reasonable give and take.
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If I make an unkind remark, as I in my sinfulness am wont to do occasionally, she’s all over me like white on rice; “you call yourself a Christian?” She never misses an opportunity to bash The RCC, our doctrine, and my conversion.
She truly believes that she has her “free pass” and that she “knows EXACTLY where” she “is going after death”.
It gets VERY, VERY old listening to her sanctimonius throw-away remarks. My patience is severely tried whenever I’m in her presence. Discussion is impossible. I avoid her as much as possible as she is not open to any reasonable give and take.
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gardenswithkids
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Should I carry them in my wallet? How do I get my wallet up to heaven?Hi, I was wondering.
The only “free passes” come from Jesus. He can give them out to whomever He desires since He paid for them.
We should desire that all be saved, not worry about someone’s salvation being easier than ours. I still sometimes fall into the trap of thinking like that. But as I try harder now to practice my faith and still see what a long way I have to go, I think that way less often. I hope that others will have an easier time following God than I find it some days. Afterall, if I get to heaven, I would like to find some of my friends and family there with me too!
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puzzleannie
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your argument rests on a mistaken premise. When a Catholic “crosses the line” even once, they are not on the fast track to hell, unless they wilfully remain on the wrong side of the line. They confess their sins, express their contrition, are absolved, do penance, and resolve with God’s help not to sin again. At that point the condition of their soul is clean again, and they have gained the sacramental graces to persist in virtue, if they choose to use them. Being human, they will very likely fall into the same sin or other sins again. The sacrament of confession, of access to Christ’s healing through the Church, is always available. No one is on the fast track to hell unless they deliberately, willfully reject the sacraments and deny God’s mercy and forgiveness, and knowingly, willingly, deliberately choose to persist in mortal sin.
By the way, you are also mistating what most Protestant denominations preach. Most insist that sins must be confessed directly to God and his forgiveness requested, as often as necessary, and acknowledge that human life is a constant struggle against sin. while there may be a few who preach once saved always saved, that is not the predominate theology.
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CrusaderNY
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Thats simple, because they pick and chose what they wanted out of the Catholic faith, threw out books of the Bible they did not like, re wrote many passages in the Bible, the same Bible the St Jerome and the like spend years writing by hand, and then made their own religion they way they wanted it, disobeying the traditions and doctrines of the One True Church established by Our Lord, and handed over to Peter as the monarch of his church.
It is this very act of the Protestants that worries me and many as the post Vatican II church is essentially doing the same, only keeping all of the money and gold and name of the church. Once you start to defect from teaching and doctrines, you are a schismatic and in heresy, whether you are Luther, Calvin, Henry VIII, or the Pope. The only difference is that Luther, Calvin and Henry VIII did not have the ability to call a Vatican Council II and throw out all that they did not like and still appear as “Catholic” as we are supposed to be now, which is what the Protestant have done, the Orthodox have done and we call them schismatic.
If any of the Doctors of the church were to come down from heaven and look at what is being taught in our Catechism classes, most of whom have very little or very liberal faith (I was taught by nuns) and sit through a Novus Ordo Mass, not knowing we were the “Catholic Church” they and the Popes of that time would call us some schismatic sect, probably more schimsatic than that of the Orthodox and Anglicans, who have maintained at least their doctrine from the time of their break.
RiverRock:
It is this very act of the Protestants that worries me and many as the post Vatican II church is essentially doing the same, only keeping all of the money and gold and name of the church. Once you start to defect from teaching and doctrines, you are a schismatic and in heresy, whether you are Luther, Calvin, Henry VIII, or the Pope. The only difference is that Luther, Calvin and Henry VIII did not have the ability to call a Vatican Council II and throw out all that they did not like and still appear as “Catholic” as we are supposed to be now, which is what the Protestant have done, the Orthodox have done and we call them schismatic.
If any of the Doctors of the church were to come down from heaven and look at what is being taught in our Catechism classes, most of whom have very little or very liberal faith (I was taught by nuns) and sit through a Novus Ordo Mass, not knowing we were the “Catholic Church” they and the Popes of that time would call us some schismatic sect, probably more schimsatic than that of the Orthodox and Anglicans, who have maintained at least their doctrine from the time of their break.
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maklavan
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maklavan
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RiverRock. when a Catholic crosses the line:
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BIC
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Greeting,
As a protestant I work with trembling and fear for my salvation. I strive to be obedient to my Lord and Savior Jesus Chrust who saved me. To just say that “they” have a casual opinion of sin is not totally accurate.
Peace
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Mickey
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You sound like a Catholic BIC!
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BIC
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Hi MickeyYou sound like a Catholic BIC!
Naw, Just christian!!!http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/icons/icon10.gif
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djrakowski
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Ni Nancy… nice to see you chiming in here, as I enjoyed our exchange on the other Protestant repentance thread. I must take exception, however, to the idea that, as Catholics, you have access to more channels of grace than I do as a Protestant. Your church teaches that the eucharistic elements must consist of wheat bread and grape wine that contains alcohol. That rules out my son, who has a very severe physical intolerance to those substances, and according the rules of Rome, he would not be eligible to receive grace through that channel. In fact, Rome has gone so far as to deny men with celiac disease from receiving the sacrament of Holy Orders. That makes it two channels of grace from which my son is effectively blocked. Within our tradition, however, we go straight to the source of grace, and my son may receive just as much of God’s free gift as anyone else.Hi RiverRock!
Keep in mind that one can sincerely believe something to be true yet be sincerely wrong. What it was all boils down to in the end, be one Catholic, Protestant or whatever, is grace. At the moment of your death do you have God’s supernatural life dwelling in your soul? You do? You’ll go to heaven. This is true for everyone, whether one believes it or not. So while some may appear to have a free pass as you call it, the only free pass is grace. The pass is the same for everyone. As Catholics we have access to every single channel of grace that God has made available. Our protestant brothers and sisters do not. You, as a Catholic, are actually the one with the free pass!!
In Christ,
Nancy
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Exporter
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THIS IS WORTH READING AGAIN:
CrusaderNY:
Do the Protestants get a break? I say No. They are fooling them selves. The Catholic Church is specific, it will tell you straight out what you should do. I know that Protestants do not tell their young what they need to do to achieve heaven…it’s all so social and not ecclesiastical. That Protestants have it “easy” is an illusion, we Catholics have it easier - we KNOW what we have to do! I say ignorance is not an excuse.
Do the Protestants get a break? I say No. They are fooling them selves. The Catholic Church is specific, it will tell you straight out what you should do. I know that Protestants do not tell their young what they need to do to achieve heaven…it’s all so social and not ecclesiastical. That Protestants have it “easy” is an illusion, we Catholics have it easier - we KNOW what we have to do! I say ignorance is not an excuse.
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djrakowski
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Really? We don’t teach our children what they need to do? All we care about is the social aspect? Then where did my 4 year old daughter learn to ask forgiveness of Jesus when she does something wrong? Where did she learn that Jesus is always there to comfort her, and that she can talk to him any time she wants?
This is what we’ve been teaching our children, from the Scriptures in Romans 8:9-10 -
“That if you confess with your mouth, ‘Jesus is Lord,’ and believe in your heart that God raised him from the dead, you will be saved. For it is with your heart that you believe and are justified, and it is with your mouth that you confess and are saved.”
We’re teaching her what it says in Ephesians 2:5 and 2:8 - she has been saved by grace, the gift we don’t deserve, and we can’t earn by the works of our hands.
You may disagree with our doctrine all you wish, but this is just blatantly uncharitable.
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Mickey
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Sounds exactly like the Catholic doctrine. There is a lot we have in common. God Bless you and your family!
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djrakowski
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Thanks for your kind words, Mickey. I believe we have a lot in common as well, but simply approach it from different perspectives.Sounds exactly like the Catholic doctrine. There is a lot we have in common. God Bless you and your family!
God Bless,
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Katholikos
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Is it uncharitable to disagree with Protestant doctrine? Is it uncharitable to state that 2 + 2 is 4 and not 5, or 3, or 8?
Each of the thousands of conflicting and competing Protestant denominations has some of the truth, but none of them have all of the truth. Only the Catholic Church teaches the whole truth and nothing but the Truth – the Faith that comes to us from the Apostles.
The Catholic Church was founded by Jesus Christ, Second Person of the Blessed Trinity, for the salvation of the world; it is an extension of Himself. All Protestant churches were made by man in or after the 16th century. That’s a fact of history.
We can be uncharitable if we insult each other, but simply stating the Truth is a mitzvah.
Part of the Truth is contained in Scripture (correctly interpreted and understood), but not all of it.
Peace be with you,
JMJ Jay
Ex-Southern Baptist, ex-agnostic, ex-atheist, exstatic to be Catholic!
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Katholikos
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Problem is, BIC, that there are as many doctrines as there are Protestant denominations – and that’s thousands.
JMJ Jay
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djrakowski
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I specifically stated that it isn’t uncharitable to disagree with doctrine. Rather, I took issue with this:
I would rather he took issue with doctrine, which is something I can answer (or at least attempt to answer).
I work with a fellow who’s taught catechism (CCD? I don’t know the exact terminology) to young elementary students. He believed that he didn’t need to go by the book, but rather chose to teach whatever he wanted. In his opinion, the Church is too rigid, and hasn’t kept up with the times. I know another who admitted to me that she knitted as her students read quietly, didn’t bother teaching anything unless someone asked her a question, and only stopped to enforce discipline (and she had the guts to complain about the religious ed director asking her to step down). And, then, there’s the differences that lead to discussions about just which priest/parish/bishop/diocese is orthodox, heterodox, or schismatic, where the most liturgical abuses are occurring, etc. But, I’ve chosen not to make blanket statements like “there obivously aren’t any serious Catholics, because I’ve never met one.” I know that’s not true, in part because of all the sincere and dedicated Catholics I’ve met on these forums, and I choose instead to view dissident, lukewarm and disobedient Catholics as aberrations and not the norm.
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