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ignatius777
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Thats very kind. Thank you. I will pray for you as you search out the truth. God will lead you home.
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Bill_Martin
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I haven’t met many people who hate the Catholic Church, Protestant or otherwise. I have noticed that a ton of people are very misinformed about the Church and its teachings, including many Catholics. This leads to criticism of the Church that’s misplaced, but that’s not the same as hate. I don’t think the word “hate” should be thrown around so blithely.
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ignatius777
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Well some of the discussions I have had with protestants sure felt hateful. I would agree they are ignorant of what catholics believe and that in turn makes them quite obnoxious at times as they are certain they are right and everyone else is wrong.
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michaelhutto
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I can speak only for myself and what I have been told about the Catholic Faith. I thing all Christians should remember we are brothers and sisters in Christ Jesus and treat each other as such, with love. Let us all remember the words is PaulI, 1Corinthians 13:1-13 If I speak in the tongues of men or of angels, but do not have love, I am only a resounding gong or a clanging cymbal. 2If I have the gift of prophecy and can fathom all mysteries and all knowledge, and if I have a faith that can move mountains, but do not have love, I am nothing. 3If I give all I possess to the poor and give over my body to hardship that I may boast,b but do not have love, I gain nothing.
4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
We must love others as our Father loves us.
With love to you all may our Father bless and keep you all forever and ever.
A brother knocking at the door.
4Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.
8Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
13And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.
We must love others as our Father loves us.
With love to you all may our Father bless and keep you all forever and ever.
A brother knocking at the door.
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Magdalena59
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I agree to a point but I think that is mostly true for mainline denominations that are closer in theology to the Catholic faith, with a few exceptions but the farther you get away from the mainlines there does seem to be an anti-Catholic bias. IMHO it comes from a wanting and a desire to get away from anything that appears legalistic, so it may not be something you would see in the mainline churches. My years in the Methodist church I didn’t notice it. I don’t remember hearing anything about the Catholic faith but when I moved away from there and got farther out on the branches I heard a lot.
I think what he means in starting of the reformation, when Protestantism began but I also feel it isn’t so much as a dividing as an eliminating or protesting away. IOW eliminating anything, as I said earlier that appears legalistic and in anyway makes it look like you are earning your salvation. That is why some protestants protest against other protestants but as I said I do believe it does not happen so much in the mainline churches.
This is not how we saw the Catholic church in the non-denominational evangelical churches. The Catholic church was a subject discussed very frequently. Not necessarily as hating the people who were Catholic but just a belief that they were not Christians and the need to evangelize was taken very serious.
As I said, though, I rarely saw this in the Methodist church. As a matter of fact they seemed to feel the connection to the Catholic church, whenever we had communion and also occasionally they would discuss Mary and not in a bad light or sing a hymn of Mary. Getting into the Methodist church was pretty much the step I took just before returning to the Catholic faith. The friendship between a Methodist minister and a Catholic priest was a great witness.
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exnihilo
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I don’t think the characterization of ‘most’ is true. But I guess we need to know how you mean ‘hate’?
Surely that is not the case. Where do you live that most of your visitors are proselytizing against the Catholic church?
Now this is good. You’ve found someone that cares about their faith. I think a big problem among many Protestants and even probably among many Catholics is indifferentism. At least within Mainline Protestantism the typical view seems to me more of indifferentism. I was raised in a Mainline church and most people were not too concerned with the Catholic church. Most probably think that Catholics are Christians with some incorrect ideas. But there wasn’t any hate that I saw.
There are certainly Protestants that have a very negative opinion about the Catholic church. As someone else pointed out Seventh Day Adventists have a very negative view. The view of most Protestants is that their church was a reformation of the corrupt Catholic church. So it is not surprising that the average Protestant considers the Catholic church to be in error. If that was not their view they would be Catholic.
If you encounter a person who is not aggressively hostile but is against the Catholic church you have the opportunity to convince that person of the truth of the Catholic Faith. They actually care about their faith. They probably dislike the Catholic church because they think it impedes the salvation of others rather than helps it. If that is their view then they should dislike the Catholic church. However, they are more likely to have a discussions with you. Some people are better at listening than others. But the people who are indifferent about the differences in faith are unlikely to even want to discuss faith.
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Kliska
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The thread title; “Why do Protestants hate the Catholic Church?” is a loaded question. I would agree with other who say that most protestants don’t hate the CC. The reason it may seem so, are those that are opposed to the CC are usually quite vocal about it.
Most of us can read.
My pastor used to say there will be just as many Catholics as Protestants in Heaven. I am able to see things from a different perspective because I was never raised with the idea that you should avoid anything simply because it is “too Catholic.” Are there people and churches that teach that? Sure. It has to be remembered too, that for many protestants the label of “protestor” doesn’t really fit.
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Its one thing to be vocal and it entirely another thing to be down right nasty as some 'christians" have been.The thread title; “Why do Protestants hate the Catholic Church?” is a loaded question. I would agree with other who say that most protestants don’t hate the CC. The reason it may seem so, are those that are opposed to the CC are usually quite vocal about it.
Most of us can read.
My pastor used to say there will be just as many Catholics as Protestants in Heaven. I am able to see things from a different perspective because I was never raised with the idea that you should avoid anything simply because it is “too Catholic.” Are there people and churches that teach that? Sure. It has to be remembered too, that for many protestants the label of “protestor” doesn’t really fit.
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Kliska
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That’s usually the vocal ones. As others have said, there are nasties in every “church” and nasties from all walks of life. We have the obligation to check our own love and actions, and to know there are going to be rude people from all backgrounds.
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ignatius777
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Agreed. I have spent time on another “christian” forum site and they list catholicism as a heresy. The “christians” on that site are hateful. On this site things are much different and you are a good example of that very nice difference. Thank you.
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Kliska
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It IS interesting to see who earns the “heresy” label… or the “apostasy” label… many don’t know the difference or even why they are using the terms. Anyway, that’s beside the point. lol Thank you for your kind words!
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ignatius777
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My pleasure
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michaelhutto
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I was never told to hate the Catholic church, now I was told that there were issues with certain practices with in the faith. That is why I am here, to learn, to let my Father open my heart, and my eyes.
May our Father bless and keep you all forever and ever.
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spedteacherita
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I think the one church that I researched (because I lived among them) was the Seventh Day Adventist Church…I cannot say at all that the hatred was at all conveyed from my group of SDA friends. I only know from their materials they wrote, lectures I attended and information gleaned from their local TV channel was that they considered the CC and the Pope were considered the Anti-Christ. They use the prophecies from Daniel and Revelation to come to this conclusion. They constantly used the word “Truth” as if they were they only ones that had it.
I never got the impression from my SDA friends that they felt this way. The ones that took their faith very seriously were very loving and would bend over backwards to help anyone. I say all this because I feel that no matter what doctrines are taught at the highest level of a denomination does not determine what the person sitting in the pews really shows in the life that they lead.
I think that is true of any denomination.
God Bless all!
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Convert_in_99
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I agree. The majority of protestants don’t hate us, they just don’t understand us. Big difference!
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spedteacherita
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Michael, I agree with you there. I did not become a member of the LCMS until I was in my early 20’s and had grown up attending a variety of churches including Baptist and Congregationalist churches. My family did raise their eyebrows when I became a member of the Lutheran Church mostly because they didn’t understand it’s Liturgical services and, of course, my baptism where the water was poured on my head and I was NOT dunked…but that was it.
I think it’s important to all of us that we reach out with love to our fellow Christians…Think how much the enemy is laughing at us for the infighting that we have going on. We should learn from each other…not condemn one another!!
One important point - learning does not mean we have to accept another’s practice as truth unless we are led by the Holy Spirit to embrace it…but learning does mean we understand why a person or denomination does what they do. Peace all!
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spedteacherita
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I have to say having read through all of the postings that this was one of the best dialogues I have seen on these forums. We’re not leaving it having “made our point” about this doctrine or that doctrine but have actually shared the love of Christ with one another.
I understand not all threads can be as peaceful but I hope that what we take away from here is that we are not all speaking from hatred as we pose our points in the various topics but that we do share a commonality among ourselves which Christ Jesus!
God bless all!
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I understand not all threads can be as peaceful but I hope that what we take away from here is that we are not all speaking from hatred as we pose our points in the various topics but that we do share a commonality among ourselves which Christ Jesus!
God bless all!
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aidanbradypop
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great post ladies
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spedteacherita
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Brian, have you ever attended one of those services? Granted, the rock and roll part is a bit much to me…but many, include in the church I attend, use a variety of instruments to accompany our singing…the best part for me is that they are NOT loud!!
My church is one where a bunch of the people had to break away from the church they were attending. It was an Lutheran church which went along with the ELCA church’s refusal to back down from allowing gay pastors in the pulpit.I call my Pastor “Pastor Meier” but have been in other churches where I have been encouraged to call them Pastor - along with their first names. When I watch EWTN, I see priests who are called by their first names as well…Father Mitch is the one that comes to my mind.
Basically, our services include some great praise songs, fervent prayer, communion at every service and encouragement to be mission minded as was Christ.
God bless!!
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