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abirdrrl
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I’m assuming the OP is referring to people worshiping the US flag.
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Bill_Pick
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I can,t think of any one in the USA that is worshiping the flag most people just horor the flag
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Cat
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I think I know what you mean. ??
Attention-Salute-Pledge is basically an auditory method that teachers use to gain the attention of children and focus them on the activity, in this case, the pledges to the American flag, the Christian flag, and the Bible.
I’ve not seen the “pieces of cloth,” but I’m guessing that this adds a “visual” to the “auditory.”
And I’m betting that some teachers add an “activity” to both the visual and the auditory.
E.g., a teacher might call out “Attention!” and all the kids stand up and straighten their spines and put their hands down at their side. Then the teacher would call out “Salute” and the kids would either raise their right hands (the AWANA salute) or perhaps do some version of the military salute with hand to the forehead, OR if I were doing this, I would have the kids fold their hands in prayer position. Then comes “Pledge”–followed by the recitation of whatever pledge (American flag, Christian flag, Bible).
Kids (and grown ups too!) learn by auditory, visual, or active methods. (I happen to be a visual learner–I like pictures, visual aids, demos, etc. Flannelgraphs really held my attention when I was a child, and still do!)
So this Attention-Salute-Pledge device would be a good teaching method, IMO.
I am an accompanist who works with a lot of music directors and teachrs, and I’ve seen all kinds of auditory “focusing” methods, using involving a phrase, a rhyme, or sometimes clapping. These little devices work really well to get the kids focused at the beginning of class, or during the class when things get a little “wild.”
E.g., one teacher would clap her hands and say, “1,2,3, look at me.” And the kids would be quiet and look at her-sorry, I can’t remember the kid’s response. This particular teacher (an older woman) had dozens of these little attention-getting devices, and it was fun working her. The kids just loved her. I never heard her get mad or raise her voice–she didn’t have to.
In the old days, the teacher would sing, “Good morning to you.” And the kids would reply back. Does anyone else besides me remember that?
Parents do the same thing when they say, “1…2…” and by then, usually the child is attentive!
I wrote a song quite a while back called “Don’t Look Back!” (the story of Lot’s wife). I incorporated hand motions and body positions into this very percussive song. I wasn’t sure how the song would go over, but honestly, I was amazed at how focused the kids were (ages 4-6th grade) whenever we did this song. I didn’t even have to announce the song–I just played the first three chords, which told the kids that we were going to sing, “Don’t Look Back!” It was like watching a Michael Jackson video, they were so synchronized. They really liked it because it involved singing (auditory), reading an overhead with words and pictures (visual) and actions (hands-on).
I found a website from a faith-based site with the phrase Attention-Salute-Pledge: totallyish.com/html/asp.html
Attention-Salute-Pledge is basically an auditory method that teachers use to gain the attention of children and focus them on the activity, in this case, the pledges to the American flag, the Christian flag, and the Bible.
I’ve not seen the “pieces of cloth,” but I’m guessing that this adds a “visual” to the “auditory.”
And I’m betting that some teachers add an “activity” to both the visual and the auditory.
E.g., a teacher might call out “Attention!” and all the kids stand up and straighten their spines and put their hands down at their side. Then the teacher would call out “Salute” and the kids would either raise their right hands (the AWANA salute) or perhaps do some version of the military salute with hand to the forehead, OR if I were doing this, I would have the kids fold their hands in prayer position. Then comes “Pledge”–followed by the recitation of whatever pledge (American flag, Christian flag, Bible).
Kids (and grown ups too!) learn by auditory, visual, or active methods. (I happen to be a visual learner–I like pictures, visual aids, demos, etc. Flannelgraphs really held my attention when I was a child, and still do!)
So this Attention-Salute-Pledge device would be a good teaching method, IMO.
I am an accompanist who works with a lot of music directors and teachrs, and I’ve seen all kinds of auditory “focusing” methods, using involving a phrase, a rhyme, or sometimes clapping. These little devices work really well to get the kids focused at the beginning of class, or during the class when things get a little “wild.”
E.g., one teacher would clap her hands and say, “1,2,3, look at me.” And the kids would be quiet and look at her-sorry, I can’t remember the kid’s response. This particular teacher (an older woman) had dozens of these little attention-getting devices, and it was fun working her. The kids just loved her. I never heard her get mad or raise her voice–she didn’t have to.
In the old days, the teacher would sing, “Good morning to you.” And the kids would reply back. Does anyone else besides me remember that?
Parents do the same thing when they say, “1…2…” and by then, usually the child is attentive!
I wrote a song quite a while back called “Don’t Look Back!” (the story of Lot’s wife). I incorporated hand motions and body positions into this very percussive song. I wasn’t sure how the song would go over, but honestly, I was amazed at how focused the kids were (ages 4-6th grade) whenever we did this song. I didn’t even have to announce the song–I just played the first three chords, which told the kids that we were going to sing, “Don’t Look Back!” It was like watching a Michael Jackson video, they were so synchronized. They really liked it because it involved singing (auditory), reading an overhead with words and pictures (visual) and actions (hands-on).
I found a website from a faith-based site with the phrase Attention-Salute-Pledge: totallyish.com/html/asp.html
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MarieCB
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Oh, way to lump all Protestants together. Which Protestants would you be talking about? Because the Baptists and Salvationists that I’ve known would say the only miracles worked through Kleenex come from the sincere outpouring of tears.
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Paul2274
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We have a Prayer Shawl ministry at our Parish. They meet twice a month to knit and crochet and these shawls are donated to hospice care patients.
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DavidCatechumen
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All jokes aside, Sola Scriptura and biblical inerrancy are one of the few things that all Protestants share. If a Protestant denies the Kleenex verse, then those are both out the window.
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DavidCatechumen
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I thought you were all united in biblical inerrancy. The Kleenex verse is in the Bible, isn’t it?
If you reject it, then you have yourself a tradition of disregarding it…
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MarieCB
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Hey, I’m not denying the verse, and I firmly believe that holy people can work miracles. OTOH, I haven’t seen anything around recently that Paul has touched. I tend not to follow the thinking of “Well, it says things that PAUL touched, so that applies to my favorite televangelist.” (No, I don’t have a favorite televangelist)
All jokes aside, Sola Scriptura and biblical inerrancy are one of the few things that all Protestants share. If a Protestant denies the Kleenex verse, then those are both out the window.
And even if I felt that a piece of cloth had been blessed and miracles could be worked through it, even if the piece of cloth had been touched by Christ Himself, I wouldn’t worship that piece of cloth. Worship is for God.
Oh, and … not all Protestants actually believe in Biblical inerrancy. I once went to a service - at a United church, I think - where the pastor spoke about the “spin” that Luke put on his book. When I talked to her about it after (yes, her, which is whole ‘nuther topic), she made it clear that she thought me quite naive to accept the Bible as written. She said something along the line of "And don’t tell me you believe all of the miracles recorded actually happened that way? A burning bush? A virgin birth? Walking on water? The stories were told that way to make sure that people paid attention to Jesus’ message - which was that we should live a good life."
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DavidCatechumen
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Who said that Catholics worship pieces of cloth, or saints for that matter?
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MarieCB
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Huh??? Not me. Take a look up, waaay up, at the topic.
Hey, the praying with Mary and the saints is one of the few things about Catholicism that I’ve managed to understand!
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DavidCatechumen
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Okay.Huh??? Not me. Take a look up, waaay up, at the topic.
Hey, the praying with Mary and the saints is one of the few things about Catholicism that I’ve managed to understand!
So a sacred Kleenex can be a channel for God to work a miracle.
How about this then?
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luminoushope
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I think it may have been Morris Cerullo. In my early Christian days, 27 years before Catholicism, Mr. Cerullo wanted to send me such a cloth. I was praying for a Christian husband. I never got the cloth, but did get the husband! God is good. Yesterday was our 25th anniversary.
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bpbasilphx
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People, please take a look at Cluny’s post #19.
He (or she) made it clear that prayer cloths are NOT being referred to in that posting.
He (or she) made it clear that prayer cloths are NOT being referred to in that posting.
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Blessed_Hope
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So, Apryl, from your post, are you saying that there is no way to know you are saved?? Im honestly not trying to argue what you say, but I just dont understand quite what you are saying…do you believe that no one can know UNTIL they die…I guess that would depend greatly on which Baptist church you were attending.
There are some who want Catholics (or just any one other than themselves) to back up their actions biblically, even when it’s not reasonable, yet they won’t do it themselves
It confuses me.
BTW: When you say ‘before I got saved’, I don’t get it. As a Catholic myself, I don’t believe that any one is ‘saved’ before death. From where it’s posted, it makes me think you were saying ‘before I became a Catholic’, but that’s a very un-Catholic tradition.
I am a Baptist. Just happen to go to a Baptist church. I more consider myself a Bible believing Christian. I know that I am saved and am going to spend an eternity with Jesus Christ. In your church, is that a prideful assumption?? I just have not understood where the Catholic church basis their salvation. Thanks already for your answer! God bless!
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DavidCatechumen
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There is no absolute assurance of salvation. “Once Saved, Always Saved” is not Biblical. Salvation is not merited by works; it requires the grace bestowed by Baptism, which was earned for us by the one sacrifice of Jesus Christ. But there’s more to it.
This is a simplified explanation of what the Bible actually teaches about salvation, taken from the Joint Declaration on the Doctrine of Justification of the Lutheran World Federation and the Catholic Church:
I chose that source so that you can see that this is not just a Catholic opinion, but that it also represents what mainline Protestant denominations believe (whether their pastors actually teach it being another matter…)
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Syele
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Cute troll
No Baptists and other Protestants do not worship flags by saying pledges…Cat,
“1, 2, 3, eyes on me” and the children answer, “1, 2, 3, eyes on you,” but I tend to use “Hands up! Mouths Closed!” and everyone puts both hands in the air and stop talking. I like it cause I dont have to teach it to them first, just raise up my own handsm say it and they copy and obey.
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bpbasilphx
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Cute troll No Baptists and other Protestants do not worship flags by saying pledges…
And by the same token, as Cluny was trying to say, Catholics don’t worship Mary or statutes either.
No Baptists and other Protestants do not worship flags by saying pledges…And by the same token, as Cluny was trying to say, Catholics don’t worship Mary or statutes either.
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Syele
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I know perfectly well what he`s saying. But it was rather an uncharitable way to do so.Cute troll
And by the same token, as Cluny was trying to say, Catholics don’t worship Mary or statutes either.
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MarieCB
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Well, as I said, I’m not inclined toward accepting the idea of sacred Kleenex and I tend to maintain a strong dose of skepticism about claims of things like that. THAT said, do I believe that God can use anything that he wishes in order to work miracles? It seems to me that he has uses bushes in the desert, murderers and adulterers, and a simple teenage girl in ancient Palestine. The whole Bible, it seems to me, is the story of God using the most unlikely things to do the most amazing things.Okay.
So a sacred Kleenex can be a channel for God to work a miracle.
How about this then?
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