Clearly you have a lot to learn about your own family history. Perhaps you will consider reading history from some other viewpoints, other than anti-Catholic?For the record let me remind you that it wasn’t the Protestant Church that has persecuted and harassed millions of believers.
But see, Mary’s own father killed Catholics for their faith. So how is that any different? How does that put Protestantism on any better moral ground than Catholicism? It’s awfully selective to mention “Protestants burnt for their faith” as an argument against Catholicism yet ignore Catholics burnt for their faith as an argument against Protestantism.
Getting back to the topic of the thread, it is my opinion that this behavior is the road to hell no matter what the political/religious motives of the persons engaged in it.
There were plenty of martyrs in England, both Protestant and Catholic, from the time of the Reformation onward.
I must have dreamt it that Oliver Cromwell didn’t come to Ireland and burn down all the Catholic Churches and hunt down Catholic Priests, driving people to have impromptu Mass wherever it could have been held.For the record let me remind you that it wasn’t the Protestant Church that has persecuted and harassed millions of believers.
Col 1:24. Christ’s sacrifice is perfect, but not COMPLETE, in that it is complete only when we participate in it. The purpose of Christ’s death on the cross is our salvation, that would complete the sacrifice. Scott Hahn phrases this better than I
I still don’t understand where the doctrine of Sola Scriptura is taught by Christ or his Apostles
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That’s the purpose of these forums.I don’t know where you offended me, but I forgive you!I wish to inform you that I am not trying to get personal or personally offend anybody although I do apologise to Christine as I did get a bit hot under the collar with her.
Regards,
Jonathan
Yes,
I must have dreamt it that Oliver Cromwell didn’t come to Ireland and burn down all the Catholic Churches and hunt down Catholic Priests, driving people to have impromptu Mass wherever it could have been held.
By the time the zealot Oliver Cromwell arrived on the scene, the Irish were ripe for more carnage . “It has pleased God to bless our endeavors,” he wrote of the mass slaughter in 1649, by his Puritan troops of 3,552 Irish inhabitants of the seaport town of Drogheda, just north of Dublin. He pompously continued, “I am persuaded that this is a righteous judgment of God upon these barbarous wretches.”[10] This Drogheda massacre is one of the leading examples of the insidious British policy of ethnic cleansing in Ireland. Another is Cromwell’s sacking of Wexford and the killing of 2,000 of its citizens.
Thanks for this info. I have always wondered about where Cromwell was coming from. I need to look into that whole period of European history.
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All this above sanctioned by parliament which under the King who is head of Church.
So, he was doing this as a Non-Conformist Protestant, and not as an Anglican?
I didn’t notice this until jmtosh rightly refuted it. It’s wrong on several levels. Later monarchs (after Henry VIII) did not use the phrase “head of the Church” as far as I know. And Cromwell was certainly not acting under Charles I’s authority. He supported the trial and execution of Charles I as a traitor! Charles I was canonized after the Restoration (the only Anglican ever to be officially canonized!). You have your sides seriously mixed up here. (Not that Anglicans didn’t do horrid things to Catholics in Ireland and elsewhere. But you can’t blame us for Cromwell.)
Apparently, yes.
Hi Jon,
Although I am a Non - Conformist Protestant:Hi all,
IMHO…you’ve gone a bit off-topic. I’ve had a tough time keeping up with the thread, just because of time. Did we get here because someone said that historical killings by Catholics is what will lead Catholics to hell?
Regarding Protestant killing of Catholics, of course. My attitude is simple on this account. We are all fallen, Catholic and Protestant, and as such there has been a lot of killing of foes by Christians of all stripes - in wars and in other acts. My own great-g-g-g-g-g-g-g-grandmother was hanged as a witch by fellow Protestants.
The only interesting distinction I would make there regarding Protestants and Catholics is that according to many non-Catholic faiths (can’t say all), a “OSAS”, justified by Faith-alone Protestant who massacred a bunch of Catholics is “good to go” to heaven without repenting, confessing, etc., correct?
As Catholics, we don’t believe that a “good Catholic” who has done such terrible things will necessarily make it to heaven. Unless they have confessed contritely and repented, it is unlikely.
OSAS can be interpreted to mean that a true Christian would not do this. I have problems with this view, but it’s one possibility that you should take into account.
Hi Guys,
The idea is that God will prevent you from doing so. It’s not a self-righteous idea. Committing a sin is not what shows your Christianity to be unreal. Deliberately remaining in sin and failing to repent would do that.
