Origen took that literally, they say. Not an act the Church approved of. IAC. Paul himself is such an obvious example for the celibate Christian that I assume that this has been brought up earlier. The best argument against sola scripture, IMHO, is the fragmentary character of the writings. Except as a key to the Old Testament and as party of a wider tradition, it is hard to decipher.
Times on line is not a Catholic source and you shouldn’t rely on it for Catholic History.
I have posted this for OS obviously he didn’t read it.
I have posted this for OS obviously he didn’t read it.
Why didn’t you just ask the Church what she believes? She doesn’t have anything to hide.
95 “It is clear therefore that, in the supremely wise arrangement of God, Sacred Tradition, Sacred Scripture and the Magisterium of the Church are so connected and associated that one of them cannot stand without the others. Working together, each in its own way, under the action of the one Holy Spirit, they all contribute effectively to the salvation of souls.” CCC paragraph 95
How can I argue against Sacred Scriptures? How Can I Argue against Sacred Tradition? How can I argue against Magisterium of the Church, this equals the whole deposit of faith. That is why the Roman Catholic Church has the “Fullness” of faith. Catholics do not reject the Scriptures and only keep the Tradition and Magisterium. All three parts have to be in agreement with each other. The Church can’t proclaim something that can be rejected by Scriptures, Tradition, and Magisterium. All three have to be in agreement “Unity.”
Well said.In keeping with this passage, dear OS and others, we have given a good and reasoned defense for the hope that is in us. We’ve tried to do so with gentleness and reverence, and for those of us who have spoken unkindly to you, I ask for your forgiveness. May God bless you and continue to enlighten us all in His glorious truth. I will hold you up in prayer and ask you do the same for me. As for me and for the time being, enough has been said in this regard, and I will refrain from any further posts in this or similar threads. Grace and peace to you in abundance.
Maybe you shouldn’t rely on an newspaper article for information on something that they do not even remotely understand and which the Church has discussed at length in a document that you have not bothered to seek out and read for yourself. The link has been supplied to it, but I will supply it again courtesy of Adrift’s post. (Thanks A!
)Of course this is just another case of you leading the thread off topic since this has nothing whatever to do with why the Catholic Church rejects SS.
Yes! Let’s deal with the Scriptures. The New Testament indicates that both celibate and married men were Presbyters.
Perhaps you should not believe eveything you read? A reporter calling a concept a “doctrine” does not make it so.
No, OS. The Church does not have the authority to change the scripture. The Church may change how the teaching is applied, but the Church cannot change what is written in scripture.
You and ja4 come across as rebellious teenagers, whose parents have said you cannot go to a certain party or date a person who wants to have sex with you. It is like you are bound and determined to force your view that you must be able to have sex onto the authority that God has appointed. This attitude represents a very immature spirituality, and a problem with authority.
Thanks for the early morning smile guanaphore… and perhaps you should have “grounded” them… (in scripture)
Old Scholar:
OldScholar, Where does the New Testament claim that it is inspired? Give us the verses where Jesus said the the Books of the New Testiment were Scripture!You must elaborate on this. Where did these books claim such? Where did they say they were inspired?
Ignatius:
You’re dodging the question. You know the New Testament books claim inspiration but you can’t find that any of the apocrypha books do. They definitely don’t. In fact we have no idea who wrote them
Actually it is you that is dodging, or more accurately, deflect the question. So, where does it claim that the New Testament books are inspired?
The only time the inspiration of Scripture is mentioned is in 2 Tim 3:16 “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness.”
Now I am sure that, as an Old Scholar, you are aware that at that time, the New Testament had not been written. The author was therefore refering to the Old Testament. And the Old Testament used in the Greece and the middle East at the time was the Septuagent version. Now the Septuagent version contains the Deutero Canonical books. So, this verse supports the Deuteros as inspired.
That brings up another question. How do you know which writings should be in the New Testament? On what basis do you believe them to be inspired?
I greatly look forward to your reply to these question.
Grace and peace to you.
Your servant in Christ.
Where do the scriptures teach that a man must be celibate to lead?
They don’t, and for centuries there were married priests in the Roman Catholic Church. I don’t know how many time we’ll have to explain this to you before it sinks in…
See what happens when you are limited to your interpretation of our Bible as your only authority.?
Where do the scriptures teach that a man must be celibate to leadPlease No More of the Celibacy stuff it’s redundant to the point of frustration. I swear I’ll scream if this keeps going on- you wouldn’t like it when I scream- it is very loud and I’m told strident -kinda like -oh you know!
It doesn’t nor does the Church. I am married and have 6 children. I also lead a Catholic bible study small group.