Why do sinner refuse God's last attempt to save them via Divine Mercy?

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Because they are idiots.

They want to go to hell and buddy up to the devil.
 
I had a near death experience and still cant wrap my mind around god i think i may be to logical and over thinking everything but even after that its hard for me. And in that moment i felt a peace and was assured everything was ok even though i was leaving everything ive ever known. It was a euphoria like no drug in this world could come close to. But idk what it was
 
I hate it when I hear people say oh well hell is more exciting or all my friends will be there like it’s a good thing
 
I have friends (and some ex friends really now) who are total atheists they tell me things like you are intelligent why do you believe in this rubbish, they put mocking memes on fb and basically think religion is the cause of all evil. What can u do other than pray for them? Sometimes I feel I myself am wasting time doing that as I can’t see them changing I hope I am wrong. My Dad and brother too
 
maybe, given the examples and ideas presented to them during their life, as to what Christ is like, they don’t recognize the real one.
 
Thrstypirate said:
On another forum the other day, a guy I know who is a gay anti-theist (thinks religion is the babe of humanity, is"beyond stupid", etc.) said when asked if he believed in God, no. However, he went on to say that if he found out that God existed, he would hate him, curse at him, tell him off, and stay by his way of life no matter what. “His existence doesn’t earn my respect,” etc. I don’t see it as very far fetching that someone can look Our Lord in the eye and still refuse.

The Pharisees saw Christ and the miraculousness of his Divinity before them, and decided to kill him, after all.
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This is the same statement someone I used to be friends with made. He said that even if God exists, he’d still hate Him, mainly because the guy didn’t like what he saw in the world.

It’s a sad reality that people actively cut themselves off from God, and wouldn’t change even if they knew He was real… We’re a very prideful species…

All we can do is pray for them.
 
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People are given a free will of either to accept or reject God’s free gift of salvation through Jesus Christ.

For whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be saved

Romans 10:13
 
ProdglArchitect said:
even if God exists, he’d still hate Him, mainly because the guy didn’t like what he saw in the world.
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Yeah, the good old “If God exists and lets kids have cancer and the Holocaust happen, he must be a horrible $%#@!* and I don’t want anything to do with Him.”

There are days when I think the whole “problem of evil” exists just as a test to see who can get past that kind of thinking.
 
halogirl said:
I hate it when I hear people say oh well hell is more exciting or all my friends will be there like it’s a good thing
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Remarks like ‘Hell is more exciting’ or ‘All my friends will be there!’ simply prove the person making them has no idea what eternal separation from Christ would entail. Yes, all their friends will be there, but not as they knew them here on earth. In Hell, their friends will be eternally fixed in the rebellion of their final choice: filled with unimaginable rage, fury and hatred, even (perhaps especially) for those they knew on earth. Hell is a place never meant for human beings to reside in, and its horrors and torments are inconceivable. Perhaps the greatest torment of the damned is the knowledge that the one Person who loved them most, that pure, unconditional, all-embracing Love that was the deepest desire of their soul, is now forever beyond their reach, through their own folly, and all that is left to them is gnawing hunger, unslakeable thirst, grit and itch and horror and fright and unending, tortuous pain. If that is what some people want they are welcome to it. God grant that it remain far from me!

I could not get a link to work, but please Google ‘Letter from Beyond’. It is a vivid and frightening description of what Hell is like, from someone who is there now. The letter has received the imprimatur, but that only guarantees its freedom from doctrinal error, not its authenticity. Every direct statement made about Hell is footnoted to either the CCC or Scripture.
 
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Just my personal opinion, but I think the devil stirs up great confusion, doubt, and contempt of God - to perceive things falsely, to accuse God of evil and indifference, to instigate anger.

The devil seems to be a very good gossiper that makes us turn away from God and distrust Him.
 
The concept of ‘choosing hell’ is not one I can understand.

Hypothetical individual:
(Although as Catholics we are not to judge the heart of others - so please allow me this hypothetical person who we assume is a grave unrepentant sinner)
Lazy, drunk, fornicator, etc etc. However loves his/family/friends etc. Dies unrepentant.
He is given the ultimate last chance (theme of this thread) to accept God. So his choice is to give up all those sins he spent his loving committing and go to heaven. Or remain unrepentant and not only lose those precious beloved sins anyway, but also live in eternity in torturous pain and hatred.

It is not rational to think any individual would accept the later. Doesn’t make any sense.
I dislike watching figure skating. But if I had the choice to watch figure skating for all eternity or go the pits of hell I’d quickly become a fan.
 
BenSinner said:
It is said that even the hardest of sinners will have hope at the last minute of death, because Christ will come to them and ask them to come to him…but according to St. Faustina, many people reject him.

If a person is that intimately communicating with Jesus at the hour of death, why do they still reject him?
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Well, I read from private revelation, that at your judgement, Jesus will bathe you in his love.But for some people they can’t except this love, because they only love themselves.It is at that moment when they pull away from Jesus’s love is when they are in Hell.
 
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It’s not a rational choice, but it’s one they still make freely.

Think of it like a petulant child who’s in trouble for hitting his sister. All he has to do to get out of time out is apologize, and yet he doesn’t. I’ve seen many children who would rather suffer the punishment than apologize. I’ve seen that from some adults as well. We like to think of ourselves as intelligent, rational beings, but in comparison to God we are all less than children.

We can’t understand it completely because we are still capable of changing our hearts and minds. Once we’re dead though, that opportunity is gone, and we are forever either the child who apologized, or the child who would not.
 
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ProdglArchitect said:
It’s not a rational choice, but it’s one they still make freely.
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+1

Angels are pure intellect, very smart, yet one third of them still chose hell full well knowing what it would be like. People are way less smart than angels, so I can totally see how they’d choose hell if angels did.
 
ProdglArchitect said:
It’s not a rational choice, but it’s one they still make freely.Think of it like a petulant child who’s in trouble for hitting his sister. All he has to do to get out of time out is apologize, and yet he doesn’t. I’ve seen many children who would rather suffer the punishment than apologize. I’ve seen that from some adults as well. We like to think of ourselves as intelligent, rational beings, but in comparison to God we are all less than children.
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Thank you so much for this brilliant example. It is the closest analogy I have seen yet to what the thought process of a lost soul must be like.
 
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I’ve been thinking about this a lot, and was even talking about it with my dad last night, so I apologize for my ramblings. But I think it really boils down to two types of people, like the example above from ProdglArchitect of the child who will apologize and the child who won’t.

In my very humble opinion, at the moment of death, Jesus will show Himself and His overwhelming love and mercy to the dying person, and people will either immediately love Him and want to be with Him, or they will hate Him, reject His love, and pull away. It comes down to accepting Him as Lord and bending the knee, or stubbornly pulling away and refusing to bend the knee to Someone Else, thus making ourselves our own miserable masters in Hell.

While what we do here on earth matters because it affects our relationship with God, ultimately what matters is…do we love Jesus or not? If we love Him, then most likely we are showing that love by walking according to His commandments revealed by the Church, receiving the Sacraments, yearning to know Him better through the Word and prayer, trying to live according to His will, growing in holiness, wanting to be with Him, etc.

Certainly living according to His will and not living in sin will make that choice at death much, much, much easier if we’ve already been choosing His will instead of our will as we go about our days. This is why the Church’s teachings about denying ourselves, surrendering our wills to Him, daily taking up our cross, and making regular use of the Sacraments to keep our souls clean is so important.

But even people who are ignorant of Christ or just apathetic about Him, whether they lived in the actual or suburban jungles, still have that chance to choose Jesus and will either love Him or pull away. Everyone has that chance, even Hindus, Buddhists, or atheists. We will be given that final chance to say “Yes” to Jesus or not. Now, obviously, that “Yes” might still mean quite a bit of time in purgatory getting our priorities straight, but at least we will have made the right choice.

I think Jesus’ love and mercy are so much bigger and wider and deeper than we can comprehend until we’re actually facing Him one day and looking into His eyes that know us so utterly and completely. He understands our frailties, faults, blemishes, and weaknesses better than we do.

We need to spend our time loving Him here and now, and getting to Know Him now. It won’t do us any good to be so busy about His kingdom here on earth that we forget all about who we’re serving and to have Him say that He never knew us. 😱

Nor do I want to be cast out because I didn’t feed the hungry or give drink to the thirsty, and so didn’t love Him but only paid Him lip-service and an hour on Sundays.

I think we can rest and trust His judgement, that those in Hell are there, not because they rationally chose eternal torment, but because they actively rejected and resisted His love when it was offered. He won’t force us to be with Him if we resist. He wants to be chosen. We all need to throw ourselves on His mercy, today and at the final hour.
 
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Sinners are out of touch with reality.
We are all out of touch with reality in one thing or another, due to the human
condition.
But God will try to reach sinners by one way or another, in ways that should gain the
attention of each such person, and so their refusal to hear Him lacks excuse. This makes me think of when Christ spoke of people with hardness of heart.
They are acting against their own best interest.
I pity such people, and I wish I could do something about it.
 
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Good for you. Prayers like that are amongst the most difficult to consistently offer up & you are clearly saying them for people in need. Who knows what grace a prayer might grant them, at some crucial time when everything hangs in the balance?
 
ShowersofRoses said:
I think it really boils down to two types of people.
He wants to be chosen.
We all need to throw ourselves on His mercy, today and at the final hour.
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I believe ShowersofRoses your above statements are correct.
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Without going into the fine details, there are two types of people in the world:

a. Un-regenerated, they are still in the condemned state, Rom.5:18a.

b. Regenerated, born again, members of the Body of Christ, predestined to heaven, Rom.5:18b; etc.

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Every un-regenerated men are still under God’s condemnation, spiritually dead in their sins and spiritual things are foolishness to them, their carnal minds enmity against God, in this state they CAN NOT choose God.
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As we can not regenerate ourselves, until God regenerates us we stay in this condemned position.

If God never regenerates us we all go to hell. – Our regeneration and the time of our regeneration is up to God’s decision.
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The other group of people are the regenerated/ born-again predestined to heaven.

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THE PROCESS OF THEIR REGENERATION:

CATHOLIC ENCYCLOPEDIA Predestination of the elect.

THE THEORY OF PREDESTINATION prævisa merita.

THIS THEORY, CHAMPIONED BY all Thomists and a few Molinists (as Bellarmine, Francisco Suárez, Francis de Lugo):

Asserts that God, by an absolute decree and without regard to any future supernatural merits, predestined from all eternity certain men to the glory of heaven, and then, in consequence of this decree, decided to give them all the graces necessary for its accomplishment. End quote.


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Explaining Justification
The grace of God’s Justification CCCS 1990-1991; Justification is God’s free gift which detaches man from enslavement to sin and reconciles him to God.

Justification is also our acceptance of God’s righteousness. In this gift, faith, hope, charity, and OBEDIENCE TO GOD’S WILL are given to us.
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The Grace of God’s Call (1996-1998)
Justification comes from grace (God’s free and undeserved help) and is given to us to respond to his call.

This call to eternal life is supernatural, coming TOTALLY from God’s decision and surpassing ALL power of human intellect and will. End quote.
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John 15:16; You did not chose Me, but I chose you.

Acts 13:48; … As many as were ordained to eternal life believed.

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As we see above NO ONE REJECTS GOD’S CALL TO ETERNAL LIFE.
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After God has chosen us, predestined us to heaven, God has regenerated us, we are all choose God as well and His undeserved and special efficacious grace The Gift of Final Perseverance infallible makes sure that every predestined to heaven ends up in heaven.
 
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