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Read again my posts. Take them slowly and meditate on them.
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Please watch The Way of the Cross by Saint Francis of Assisi, a truly great Saint who is highly regarded in the monasteries, and then try to reinterpret into something rosy.
youtube.com/watch?v=oZ9om4YElns
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Yes true. It is though a classic and well regarded. It must though be understood in the right context and one needs to know the original audience etc and the value of translations vary.
No they was not founded by Ockham.
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“The world” in Sacred Scripture (and other Christian writings) gets used in various senses.
Such as “the world” in the sinful sense…such as “adultery” being a thing “of the world” (in the ‘sinful sense’).
One can though “value the things of the world” - in a rightly ordered way.
But one cannot “be friends with the world” in the negative ( pejorative) sense of the word (such as committing adultery, greed, lust, murder etc). One must instead be “friends of God” which can yes include a rightly ordered “valuing of the things of the world” (not in the sinful use of the word).
One is not to be conformed to the world (in the negative sinful sense) but rather conformed to Christ. Such is the pejorative sense of the term - a very particular use. Not to be confused with other senses.
Such as “the world” in the sinful sense…such as “adultery” being a thing “of the world” (in the ‘sinful sense’).
One can though “value the things of the world” - in a rightly ordered way.
But one cannot “be friends with the world” in the negative ( pejorative) sense of the word (such as committing adultery, greed, lust, murder etc). One must instead be “friends of God” which can yes include a rightly ordered “valuing of the things of the world” (not in the sinful use of the word).
One is not to be conformed to the world (in the negative sinful sense) but rather conformed to Christ. Such is the pejorative sense of the term - a very particular use. Not to be confused with other senses.
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The Christians life here - is a Pilgrimage. Towards Heaven and the Resurrection and the new heavens and new earth…
We are “citizens” of Heaven as it where - sojourners here on this pilgrimage.
But valuing life in this world - the good that God created and gives us -in an ordered way - is part of Christian life. Such is not in direct opposition to God.
We receive the good things God has given us in the world - with* thanksgiving *(as Paul reminds us).
We receive “with thanksgiving” the goods given us by God. To make use of creation in an ordered way. Its not our last end -this is not our home. We are pilgrims on the way to our lasting home.
We are “citizens” of Heaven as it where - sojourners here on this pilgrimage.
But valuing life in this world - the good that God created and gives us -in an ordered way - is part of Christian life. Such is not in direct opposition to God.
We receive the good things God has given us in the world - with* thanksgiving *(as Paul reminds us).
We receive “with thanksgiving” the goods given us by God. To make use of creation in an ordered way. Its not our last end -this is not our home. We are pilgrims on the way to our lasting home.
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The Christians life here - is a Pilgrimage. Towards Heaven and the Resurrection and the new heavens and new earth…
We are “citizens” of Heaven as it where - sojourners here on this pilgrimage.
But valuing life in this world - the good that God created and gives us -in an ordered way - is part of Christian life. Such is not in direct opposition to God.
We receive the good things God has given us in the world - with* thanksgiving *(as Paul reminds us).
We receive “with thanksgiving” the goods given us by God. To make use of creation in an ordered way. Its not our last end -this is not our home. We are pilgrims on the way to our lasting home.
We are “citizens” of Heaven as it where - sojourners here on this pilgrimage.
But valuing life in this world - the good that God created and gives us -in an ordered way - is part of Christian life. Such is not in direct opposition to God.
We receive the good things God has given us in the world - with* thanksgiving *(as Paul reminds us).
We receive “with thanksgiving” the goods given us by God. To make use of creation in an ordered way. Its not our last end -this is not our home. We are pilgrims on the way to our lasting home.
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The Brethren of the Common Life were founded by Geert Groote, who studied at the University of Paris under a student of William of Ockham. Groote was prohibited from preaching by his bishop.
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Hence *not *by Ockham!
(and PS being prohibited to preach does not mean more than that per se…“He submitted to episcopal authority, but applied to the Soveregin Pontiff for redress”).
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I never said Ockham was their founder.
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All good.
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I agree with what you say here, but you ignore that this world contains a great deal of evil which taints the good. In short, we are exiles in this world and ideally, it’s not the place where we should ever want to be. To love our life in this world is to revere Satan, so to speak.
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Where do I ignore such? Nowhere.
No that does not follow.
The Christians life here - is yes - a Pilgrimage. Towards Heaven and the Resurrection and the new heavens and new earth…
We are “citizens” of Heaven as it where - sojourners here on this pilgrimage.
Its not our last end -this is not our home. We are pilgrims on the way to our lasting home
And to want to “be on this pilgrimage” -is yes a place we should want to be. For it is the will of God and it is good.
If one means to love the world in the negative sense - to love sin…murder, lust, adultery etc - that can have a true sense.
As to our life in this world in other senses - See Pope Benedict XVI above.
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Reject the Devil and all his works…(and that “of the world” in the negative sense…a very particular use of the word …not to be confused by readers with other senses).
w2.vatican.va/content/benedict-xvi/en/homilies/2006/documents/hf_ben-xvi_hom_20060108_battesimo.html
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Also from another aspect - there is need for “detachment” even from the good things that God has made. And a setting of ones heart upon the things of Heaven as well as “looking forward to the resurrection” as the Creed puts it.
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Did you have a chance to view The Way of the Cross, by St Francis of Assisi yet so you can comment on it? Or, how about just reading Hail Holy Queen, from the Holy Rosary and commenting on it? Are we all not in dire need of salvation while living life in this world? If so, how can anybody love this life?
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I feel sorry for the authorities of the Church for having to teach the Bible and Church truths to mainstream Catholics without freaking them out while at the same time preserving these truths, especially for those living in monasteries.
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