Why Do So Many Government Programs Fail?

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Mickey_Finn said:
That vouchers, and school “choice”, can lead to segregation. Yes, that was the point.

ATB

I propose a truce. I’ll admit that the wars on poverty, and drugs have not gone as well as planned. You admit that SSI does what it is supposed to do.

What say you?
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“A” is true and “B” is false, so the “compromise” or “balanced” position is that “B” is true?
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sedonaman said:
“A” is true and “B” is false, so the “compromise” or “balanced” position is that “B” is true?
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It wasn’t directed at you. But, since you chirped. 🤷

SSI does exactly what it was supposed to do. That you don’t wish to pay for it, is immaterial.:cool:
 
vz71 said:
I never did see an answer here.

Is it your contention that people will not choose the best school when provided a choice?

If so, what factors do you believe they are going to base the decision on?
And how exactly do you know what the decision will be?
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I can only comment on the results. 🤷

ATB
 
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sedonaman said:
The supporters of the public social security use fear of losing benefits as a tool to continue support for this failing system, but nothing is ever said about losing SS benefits through raising the retirement age. Like any Ponzi scheme, in order to succeed, SS requires an ever-expanding population and an ever-expanding economy, which are never case. Eventually, the expanding population requirement exceeds the population of the whole earth.

The reasons it is socialist in nature are, 1) it turns over to the society what the individual can do for himself; and, 2) benefits are needs-based. There are probably others as well.
“Nø, they can’t.”
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Social Insecurity would be in better shape if there were no abortions.

Great post!👍
 
Mickey_Finn said:
It wasn’t directed at you. But, since you chirped. 🤷

SSI does exactly what it was supposed to do. That you don’t wish to pay for it, is immaterial.:cool:
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I want the total destruction of Social Security and the socialist mindset. The good news is that socialist countries all over the world, including the U.S., are imploding. However, the bad news is that Pride is taking his place on his throne in this world. Satan is ready and able to take over the world, with the intent to destroy everything that God has made.

Socialism has no need for God. However, there is no future without Jesus! The 10 chastisements will totally destroy the socialist state and its evil death culture.

Bottom Line: God wins and all those who follow Satan lose.
 
ACCT said:
Social Security comes from the** Socialist platform of 1928**. The philosophy of socialism is failure - Winston Churchill
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The Social Security payroll tax is just another tax.** It is the worst kind of tax becausde it comes right off gross earned income without any deductions.

As your link stated, the Catholic Church does not condemn, nor does it support, Social Security. The Social Security taxes are legislated by legitimate authority. That is not an unjust law, as your link stated.

The Social Security system uses money from new investors to pay earlier investors. How is it different from a Ponzi scheme?
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Why wouldn’t it be unjust if Social Security? The Church condemns sin, and fraud is sin. So wouldn’t it follow that Social Security is a fraudulent investment program that the Church condemns?

Anyway, the reason Social Security isn’t a ponzi scheme is that it is a social insurance program thats job is to keep people out of poverty. It isn’t a retirement investment program.

Caritas in veritate speaks negatively about the downsizing of social security systems in various countries as well.
 
ACCT said:
I want the total destruction of Social Security and the socialist mindset. The good news is that socialist countries all over the world, including the U.S., are imploding. … etc.
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However, I read somewhere recently why socialism will always be with us until the end of time. I think it is because the idea of a free lunch is too hard to resist, and each new generation has to relearn that fact.
 
Swiss_Guy said:
Why wouldn’t it be unjust if Social Security? The Church condemns sin, and fraud is sin. So wouldn’t it follow that Social Security is a fraudulent investment program that the Church condemns?

Anyway, the reason Social Security isn’t a ponzi scheme is that it is a social insurance program thats job is to keep people out of poverty. It isn’t a retirement investment program.

Caritas in veritate speaks negatively about the downsizing of social security systems in various countries as well.
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Where is the insurance in Social Insecurity? Social Security is just welfare, not insurance. “Insurance” is a lie from FDR and other socialists in 1933.
 
sedonaman said:
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However, I read somewhere recently why socialism will always be with us until the end of time. I think it is because the idea of a free lunch is too hard to resist, and each new generation has to relearn that fact.
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There is no such thing as a free lunch. The dollar will soon lose its status as the reserve currency of the world. We are moving to an international one-world currency for international trade. **Global hyperinflation will soon be here because of socialism. ** Additionally, the Euro is toast.
 
Swiss_Guy said:
Why wouldn’t it be unjust if Social Security? The Church condemns sin, and fraud is sin. So wouldn’t it follow that Social Security is a fraudulent investment program that the Church condemns?

Anyway, the reason Social Security isn’t a ponzi scheme is that it is a social insurance program thats job is to keep people out of poverty. It isn’t a retirement investment program.

Caritas in veritate speaks negatively about the downsizing of social security systems in various countries as well.
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The Catholic Church condemns socialism.
 
Social Security has the distinction of being an abysmal failure.

*As the most-egregious – and unconstitutional – **Ponzi scheme **of all time (today’s elderly recipients are funded by young workers, not from their own contributions of yore), Social Security is irreversibly insolvent. In 1950, the worker-to-beneficiary ratio was 16.5 to 1. In 2010, that ratio is almost 2 to 1.

Notwithstanding the political nonsense, Social Security’s** failure** is rooted not in actuarial anomalies, but in the** violation of immutable psychology**: people succeed only when they are responsible for their own decisions and actions. When government manages your life, it will fail – and therefore, you will fail.

Examples of socialism’s failure abound – from the Weimar Republic to the Soviet Union to Cuba.* - The American Thinker
 
ACCT said:
Social Security has the distinction of being an abysmal failure.

*As the most-egregious – and unconstitutional – **Ponzi scheme ***of all time (today’s elderly recipients are funded by young workers, not from their own contributions of yore), Social Security is irreversibly insolvent. In 1950, the worker-to-beneficiary ratio was 16.5 to 1. In 2010, that ratio is almost 2 to 1.
The fact that social security is funded by younger workers has always been known. It is not a deception. Also, unlike a Ponzi scheme, social security has never promised an impossible return on your investment. It was not even represented as a money-making investment as Ponzi schemes are. It was represented as insurance, which you might not benefit from if you don’t live long enough, and that is OK. The fact that the worker-to-beneficiary ratio is so out of whack is mostly due to the improvement in general health and longevity - something that should be celebrated, not bemoaned, particularly if you are pro-life. The numbers are also temporarily skewed by the fact that the baby boom generation is now largely retired. When the baby boom generation has passed on then you can expect the ratio to improve. Also a slight and gradual increase in the retirement age for social security would be both more responsible and more in line with the original concept of social security. You have not demonstrated that this and other adjustments could not bring it back into solvency, your unsubstantiated rants notwithstanding.
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LeafByNiggle said:
… It was represented as insurance, which you might not benefit from if you don’t live long enough, and that is OK. …
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Then why is a big section of its website devoted to retirement? ssa.gov/pgm/retirement.htm

If it is just insurance, why do we need to cycle our money through the government when there are any number of private insurance companies available? The answer, of course, gets back to who gets to control the money, you or the government.
“Nø, they can’t.”
 
sedonaman said:
Then why is a big section of its website devoted to retirement? ssa.gov/pgm/retirement.htm

If it is just insurance, why do we need to cycle our money through the government when there are any number of private insurance companies available?
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It is hard to know what your point is when you make your point in the form of a question. It leaves me guessing as to what your argument really is. For example, do you mean that because the social security website talks a lot about retirement then it cannot be insurance? That does not follow because it is entirely reasonable to talk about retirement with respect to insurance if the thing you are insuring against is not having money to live on during retirement. As for your second point, I don’t see how the existence of private insurance companies precludes the possibility of a government managed insurance program. You may not like government managed programs and may think that such programs cannot be effective or efficient, but if so you should address that issue directly and not beat around the bush.
 
ACCT said:
The Catholic Church condemns socialism.
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This is not an answer to Swiss Guy’s question because you have not established that the social security program is in fact socialism in the sense that is condemned by the Church. Just claiming it in a rant does not count.
 
LeafByNiggle said:
It is hard to know what your point is when you make your point in the form of a question. …
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The point is that it is different things to different people, depending on their perception of what they were told.
“Nø, they can’t.”
 
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