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someotherguy
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Actually, as a Protestant, the way I see it being applied is wildly inaccurate.
Answered this one already.
Why do so many non-Catholic Christian “Protestants” - Reject the term “Protestant”?
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Contarini
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No, you haven’t.
You have said that Baptists are not technically Protestants, but you have not explained what the technical meaning of Protestant is. You have said that the word is applied in a wildly inaccurate way, but you have not explained what this wildly inaccurate way is. You are all shadow and no substance through and through, it appears. (I’m talking about your posts. In person you may be a very substantial gentleman indeed.)
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someotherguy
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OK. Once the name calling starts, then the conversation is over.
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Contarini
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Yet again, you find an excuse to avoid making a substantive argument.
If you deliberately provoke and systematically refuse to make an actual argument, you will find yourself called a few names. What do you expect?
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someotherguy
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Christlike behavior.
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Contarini
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No, I wouldn’t go that far. Jesus might call you a snake, but it would be presumptuous for me to do so. I’ll just call you rude and obnoxious.
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someotherguy
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God bless you. I’m praying for you and that you’ll repent and put your faith in Christ before you have to stand before Him.
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Jimmy_B
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Good point Edwin,
I would like to hear from some of those here, who have been so apposed to the term and what they believe the definition is of “Protestant” is.
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Geremia
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Christianity and Protestantism are fundamentally at odds, too.
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khutcheson
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That’s not the position of the Catholic Church is it?
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churchcamefirst
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Ya know Jimmy, there are a lot of Protestants who don’t even know why or what they are protesting. There are a lot of Protestants who don’t know much about the history of the Catholic church, they don’t even know history. Yet they are constantly talking about the CC, bashing it, saying negative things toward it, complaining about it, rejecting the church Jesus founded without even knowing why they are doing this, all in the name of Christ.
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Geremia
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Look at the Counter Reformation. It is all about how God’s authority manifests itself through the Church and her traditions, not solely though the Bible nor though each particular believer’s judgment, feelings, or preferences. Luther was an arch heretic because the religion he began holds, fundamentally, that a believer can believe whatever he wants. The Protestant Reformation was primarily about usurping Christ’s authority for man’s authority, and look what has resulted: division, lack of unity of beliefs, fundamentalism, etc., all evidence that adherents to Luther’s religion does not worship the God we true Christians worship, the Most Holy Trinity, thus using the name “Christian” for adherents to these heretical religions is not correct.
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Le_Cracquere
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I think that a lot of Protestants simply think the brush too broad. For many Pentecostals, Methodists, CoCs, Lutherans, etc, the doctrinal differences are not necessarily cause for anathemas, but great enough to call for further definition. If a broader definition is called for, “Christian” seems more appropriate and irenic. Outside of Lutheran and Reformed circles, no one feels emotionally or spiritually invested in the precise polemics that gave rise to the term “Protestant,” even thought they’re their heirs.
A Catholic might feel the same about being defined as a “theist”: it’s true, sure, but the label leaves out too much to be helpful and leaves too broad a scope for misdefinition or mischief.
A Catholic might feel the same about being defined as a “theist”: it’s true, sure, but the label leaves out too much to be helpful and leaves too broad a scope for misdefinition or mischief.
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Jimmy_B
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That’s it, exactly!
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Non_Serviam
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That’s one way to look at it-the original protestants were Catholics who protested from within what they felt to be hypocrisy and corruption with Catholicism. When they weren’t satisfied with the results they left and chose to create their own assemblies.
Some of these groups continued to focus on their origins and institutionalized the name Protestant while others chose not to focus on their past relationship with Catholics and named their gathering based on its characteristics.
Still other individuals and groups claim an experience with God that led them to participate in/create a community of worship that isn’t based on “protesting” anything, but rather “affirming” what they feel God has shared with them.
Just as various Catholic orders have names that reflect their emphasis (Redemptorists, Sisters of the Poor, etc), some of these groups have done the same thing in their descriptions of themselves.
Thoughts?
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Jimmy_B
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Hello Non Serviam,
“…chose to create their own assemblies.”
I think I would characterize this more as “re-inventing” Christianity, to have God on their own terms.
Your thoughts?
Merry Christmas!
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cyberwolf001
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This is true. A lot of people just don’t get what Protestant means. Some I know even argue that there not Protestant because there Church isn’t decided from one of the Protestant Churches.
Of course while we are at it lately many Protestants also say there Christ followers as opposed to Christian and that old stand by “Relationship not Religion.”
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Non_Serviam
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Not at all, IMHO, just as the New Testament relates to us that assemblies of believers were know as “the Way”, Christians, “the church in”, etc. it seems that God didn’t have a fetish about the use of a certain word to describe the assembling together, so long as the assembling occurred.
To suggest that individuals (who unlike the original Protestants) were never Catholic must define themselves in relation to Catholicism rather than to God strikes me as possibly the first step down the path of pride. (cf Jesus’ response to the Apostles in Mark 9:38-40)
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LutheranDK
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Just like the Roman-Catholic church has claimed the all-encompassing term “Catholic” for itself, right?Lots of non-denominational types do. They have claimed the all-encompassing term “Christian” for themselves.
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Jimmy_B
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Hello LutheranDK,Just like the Roman-Catholic church has claimed the all-encompassing term “Catholic” for itself, right?
wherever* Jesus Christ is, there is the Catholic Church**.”
Saint Peter the Apostle, was first the Bishop of Antioch and the first Catholic Pope. Saint Ignatius was also the Bishop of Antioch, after Peter. In fact, Saint Ignatius was appointed Bishop of Antioch, by Saint Peter the Apostle. Saint Ignatius lived during the time of Saint Clement I (Philippians 4:3), the forth Pope and Saint Peter, the first Pope (Matthew 16:18), they were both, obviously, mentioned in the Bible. List of Popes here.
Saint Ignatius of Antioch
Saint Clement I
Below, is a map of ancient Rome. Rome is located in the center/left portion of the map and Antioch is located in center/right portion of the map.
I hope this helps.
Peace
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