Why do so many non-Catholic Christian “Protestants” - Reject the term “Protestant”?

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Just a guess, but many baptists don’t like the term because they believe they were never part of the Catholic Church.

Which is ironic because it is the independent and fundamental baptists that protest the loudest about the RCC. Not that ALL of them do. 🙂
 
Actually, most non-denominational churches do not require beliefs in sola scriptura, sola fide and the like, Arminians are equally welcome there. Most have only basic Christian doctrines as required beliefs. That is the WHOLE point of non-denominational churches.
Precisely! Thank you Syele… 👍
 
‘Catholic’, in modern English usage, is a generic term that does not exclusively belong to churches which are faithful to the Bishop of Rome. Any number of Reformational denominations recite the Apostle’s and/or Nicene Creeds, including the part that says “I believe in the holy catholic Church.” Anglicans often prefer to speak of themselves as ‘catholic’ with a small ‘c’. Many Episcopalians don’t see themselves as Protestants in the same sense that Lutheran and historic Reformed denominations see themselves as ‘Protestants’. They feel they are part of the continuing catholic Church as it existed before the Bishop of Rome attempted to usurp political influence. Episcopalians often don’t feel they are reforming the Church of doctrinal, liturgical, or clerical excesses, but rather are functioning as an independent episcopal jurisdiction as the Enlgish Church operated prior to the 1200’s.

Many second- and third-generation Protestant denominations are not very comfortable with the term ‘Protestant’ because they were not born in protest against the Roman Catholic Church. They feel themselves removed from those fights and think they should be known more for the principles they stand for rather than the things they, or their forefathers, were against. Pentecostals, for example, want to be recognized as People of Pentecost, people who believe in the continuing miraculous gifts of the Holy Ghost.

The denomination I was raised in, the independent Christian Churches/Disciples of Christ, see themselves as “Christians only, though not the only Christians”, and so they rejected the term ‘Protestant’. Many prefer the term '“restorationist”, although that term has also been appropriated by the Latter-Day Saints and their splinter groups. (Both the Mormons and the early founders of the Christian Churches/Disciples of Christ drew heavily on an earlier movement known as ‘restorationism’, or the ‘Christian Connection’, which held that the Christian Church was not in need of a Reformation so much as a restoration. How that restoration could take place was hotly debated-. Alexander and Thomas Campbell and Barton Stone held that the Church was not lost entirely, merely adrift from it’s aboriginal purity. Therefore they felt restoration could take place via a careful adherence to Christianity as seen in the Acts of the Apostles. Other restorationists felt that the Church of Christ was gone utterly and that some sort of direct act of God would be needful for the church to be properly restored–making such persons ripe for the claims of Joseph Smith).

As has been noted, non-denominational churches take their cues from the same impulse that sparked the “Christian Connection”–they want to emphasize that they are “Christians only”, rather than focus upon what they may be ‘against’. Ultimately that’s the biggest issue I think you’ll find that many non-Catholics have with the term ‘Protestant’–they often feel that the term ‘Protestant’ does not adequately describe what they support, advocate, and believe in. They do not want to be known merely for what they are NOT.
 
Actually, most non-denominational churches do not require beliefs in sola scriptura, sola fide and the like, Arminians are equally welcome there. Most have only basic Christian doctrines as required beliefs. That is the WHOLE point of non-denominational churches.
Which makes me wonder what they actually do believe.
 
Actually, most non-denominational churches do not require beliefs in sola scriptura, sola fide and the like, Arminians are equally welcome there.
Arminianism is also derived from the Reformation. Don’t you people ever crack a history book? Do you know what the Five Solas are, and do you know that the Arminians follow some of those Solas?

For your edification, here are the Five Solas:
  • Sola scriptura (“by Scripture alone”)
  • Sola fide (“by faith alone”)
  • Sola gratia (“by grace alone”)
  • Solus Christus (“Christ alone”)
  • Soli Deo gloria (“glory to God alone”)
    These teachings were devised during the Reformation in opposition to the teachings of the Catholic Church. If your church follows even one of these, you are by definition a Protestant.
Most have only basic Christian doctrines as required beliefs.
What, exactly, is a “basic Christian doctrine”? Are you telling me non-denoms simply believe in the divinity of Christ and nothing more? I know for a fact that this is flat-out false.
 
The answer would be; Absolutely I,m Catholic, We might be the first Christians, but we we still love our protestant brothers.
 
A cat wearing a dog costume is still a cat. A Protestant who dresses in a non-denominational suit is still a Protestant.
I’m gald I’m Catholic…Because, the only suits I own… are Catholic suits…:whistle:

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Arminianism is also derived from the Reformation. Don’t you people ever crack a history book? Do you know what the Five Solas are, and do you know that the Arminians follow some of those Solas?

For your edification, here are the Five Solas:
  • Sola scriptura (“by Scripture alone”)
  • Sola fide (“by faith alone”)
  • Sola gratia (“by grace alone”)
  • Solus Christus (“Christ alone”)
  • Soli Deo gloria (“glory to God alone”)
    These teachings were devised during the Reformation in opposition to the teachings of the Catholic Church. If your church follows even one of these, you are by definition a Protestant.
why don’t you crack one. we are Remonstrants declared wrong by the synod of Dort. I do not believe in the 5 solas of the reformation, and I am quite familiar with them.
What, exactly, is a “basic Christian doctrine”? Are you telling me non-denoms simply believe in the divinity of Christ and nothing more? I know for a fact that this is flat-out false.
  • The Trinity,
  • The deity of Jesus,
  • Jesus’ bodily resurrection,
  • Jesus’ atonement,
  • Personal salvation by grace,
  • The inerrancy of the Bible
  • God’s inspiration of the Bible’s authors,
  • The virgin birth, and
  • The anticipated second coming of Jesus.
 
I see some Sola Gratia and Sola Scriptura in your list of “basic Christian beliefs.” Unless you recognize an authority other than the Bible. If you do, my apologies. But right now it looks to me like you’re attempting to redefine two very distinctively Protestant beliefs as “basic Christian beliefs.” They are not basic to Christianity; they are relatively new and still not universally accepted, especially outside of the US. This is part of the whole problem I have with the “just a Christian” thing. There is no such thing as “just a Christian.”

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                   From: The Columbia Encyclopedia, Sixth Edition                  |            Date: 2007
Remonstrants , Dutch Protestants, adherents to the ideas of Jacobus Arminius , whose doctrines after his death (1609) were called Arminianism.
 
Lots of non-denominational types do. They have claimed the all-encompassing term “Christian” for themselves. 🤷
I was quite disturbed one day when I was talking to a woman who was Catholic, and she explained to me that her parents used to be Catholic, but now they are Christian. And people like this don’t know why we get offended.
 
I see some Sola Gratia and Sola Scriptura in your list of “basic Christian beliefs.” Unless you recognize an authority other than the Bible. If you do, my apologies. But right now it looks to me like you’re attempting to redefine two very distinctively Protestant beliefs as “basic Christian beliefs.” They are not basic to Christianity; they are relatively new and still not universally accepted, especially outside of the US. This is part of the whole problem I have with the “just a Christian” thing. There is no such thing as “just a Christian.”

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I do not recognize an authority HIGHER than the Bible. but there are other authorities. this is not the same as Sola Scriptura.

Also I did not say Remonstrants are not protestants, I said they are not reformers.
 
I do not recognize an authority HIGHER than the Bible. but there are other authorities. this is not the same as Sola Scriptura.

Also I did not say Remonstrants are not protestants, I said they are not reformers.
Hi Syele,

Wow…I don’t know if this was a typo…what do you mean that you do not “recognize an authority HIGHER than the Bible.”?

The Bible is a Book…The Bible is not, in fact, actually God. Can you please clarify? I don’t remember the Bible being included in the Holy Trinity.

Additionally, who are the “other authorities”?

Thanks,

Peace 🙂
 
Hi Syele,

Wow…I don’t know if this was a typo…what do you mean that you do not “recognize an authority HIGHER than the Bible.”?

The Bible is a Book…The Bible is not, in fact, actually God. Can you please clarify? I don’t remember the Bible being included in the Holy Trinity.

Additionally, who are the “other authorities”?

Thanks,

Peace 🙂
Yeah that didn’t read quite right, I did not mean that Scripture is a god. God is the Prime Authority, but I was speaking of those authorities we have other than God. I mean that as scripture is Gods word it is never incorrect (though naturally it can be interpreted incorrectly). No earthly authority can trump it.

Scripture
tradition
reason
experience

In that order… So tradition is not equal to scripture but it is still an authority.

As you can see it is not sola Scriptura it is prima scriptura.
 
I do not recognize an authority HIGHER than the Bible. but there are other authorities. this is not the same as Sola Scriptura.

Also I did not say Remonstrants are not protestants, I said they are not reformers.
Prima Scriptura aye?

To the best of my understanding, the intent for both Sola Scriptura and Prima Scriptura are the same. I think the differences between them are semantics.
 
Personally, I don’t mind the term protestant, especially from a historical perspective. Yet, like others have articulates, I am not where I am because I decided to protest Catholicism. I am where I am because that is the best of my understanding of what God wants and wills for me.

Thus, I readily prefer and designate myself, my church, my faith as Christian. There is only one faith, one Christian Religion. We are all a part of that (if we are indeed true converts to Christ). It is a purposeful intent to seek and express unity over division.

Here is a link to my church, we’ve attempted to share some of our thoughts about such there.
 
Prima Scriptura aye?

To the best of my understanding, the intent for both Sola Scriptura and Prima Scriptura are the same. I think the differences between them are semantics.
I disagree.

Sola Scriptura says:
The inerrant Scripture is to be the sole source of written divine revelation, which alone can bind the conscience. The Bible alone teaches all that is necessary for our salvation from sin and is the standard by which all Christian behavior must be measured. We deny that any creed, council or individual may bind a Christian’s conscience, that the Holy Spirit speaks independently of or contrary to what is set forth in the Bible, or that personal spiritual experience can ever be a vehicle of revelation.
Yet Prima Scriptura allows for those things – the Holy Spirit can speak whenever he chooses, but will not contradict Himself. There IS personal revelation, creed and council CAN have a place in binding conscious.

How can the two be only semantics? one allows NOTHING outside scriptures, the other allows many things.
 
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