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lauriefg
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I was taught that Judas’ sin was that he felt his sin was greater than God’s depth of mercy and forgiveness. Pride - the source of many sins.
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thewanderer
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The problem being that the Church is the official interpreter of Scripture and She says that that statement is open to interpretation. That no one here on earth can know whether Judas is in hell or not so we should pray for him in case he is not.
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Marc_Anthony
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There isn’t a limit on the number of prayers we can give.
Actually, your post kind of proves my point. Okay, Judas may very well be in Hell. Probability points that way. But we’re talking reality, not probability, and in reality we don’t know where Judas is. Since he committed the worst of sins, we should pray for him especially.
Of course, there are loved ones and people like that we’re going to pray for first. That’s human nature. But Judas needs those prayers as much as anybody else who’s passed away.
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Jerry-Jet
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Judas is probably in Hell–that really bothers the universalists.
It also bothers the Catholic counter part to the Once Saved Always Saved Crowd–I call that Crowd the “I don’t hardly ever commit a mortal sin crowd”.
This crowd believes that they will always be bailed out–by either the Divine Mercy of God or that they’ll receive last rites and will repent on their death beds.
The fact that Judas probably is in Hell or that anyone is PRESENTLY burning in Hell at the present moment scares some people.
Wake up! There is a Hell and yes there is the possibility that for everyone currently living-they COLUD go there!
Jesus taught that truth that Hell is real–the Catholic Church has always taught that truth!
Hell is REAL!
Repent now! Lord have mercy on me a sinner!
Go to Confession! Convert to the Catholic faith!
Eat Jesus’ Body and Drink His Blood!
Jesus IS Merciful–but don’t think you can wait for a deathbed confession–many who have thought that way have winded up in Hell!
If you are on a bed and if you think you might die soon–call the priest!
People CAN be saved on their death beds–but they can also be saved on sick beds that they get up out of because they have been healed!
The real story is ALWAS repent if you have sinned–do that and partake of the sacraments and always thank God for everything He has done for you and be like Christ in the world serving others!
Do all of that and you won’t wind up in Hell!
Actually it is a gift of Mercy that God doesn’t reveal to us that any individual is currently in Hell! Just imagine if you KNEW that a person was in Hell! Some would say that they would repent for sure and that IS POSSIBLE but it is also possible that some would DESPAIR and fall into sin and STILL go to Hell!
So just PRAY for people that have died–maybe they’re suffering in purgatory and just need our prayers to go to Heaven.
If you do pray for someone and they are in Hell–don’t despair–your prayer is not wasted–that prayer will be applied to whoever most needs it.
Anytime you are afraid of Hell just pray to Jesus and tell Him how much you love Him and how you are afraid of Hell–He’ll give your soul peace!
It also bothers the Catholic counter part to the Once Saved Always Saved Crowd–I call that Crowd the “I don’t hardly ever commit a mortal sin crowd”.
This crowd believes that they will always be bailed out–by either the Divine Mercy of God or that they’ll receive last rites and will repent on their death beds.
The fact that Judas probably is in Hell or that anyone is PRESENTLY burning in Hell at the present moment scares some people.
Wake up! There is a Hell and yes there is the possibility that for everyone currently living-they COLUD go there!
Jesus taught that truth that Hell is real–the Catholic Church has always taught that truth!
Hell is REAL!
Repent now! Lord have mercy on me a sinner!
Go to Confession! Convert to the Catholic faith!
Eat Jesus’ Body and Drink His Blood!
Jesus IS Merciful–but don’t think you can wait for a deathbed confession–many who have thought that way have winded up in Hell!
If you are on a bed and if you think you might die soon–call the priest!
People CAN be saved on their death beds–but they can also be saved on sick beds that they get up out of because they have been healed!
The real story is ALWAS repent if you have sinned–do that and partake of the sacraments and always thank God for everything He has done for you and be like Christ in the world serving others!
Do all of that and you won’t wind up in Hell!
Actually it is a gift of Mercy that God doesn’t reveal to us that any individual is currently in Hell! Just imagine if you KNEW that a person was in Hell! Some would say that they would repent for sure and that IS POSSIBLE but it is also possible that some would DESPAIR and fall into sin and STILL go to Hell!
So just PRAY for people that have died–maybe they’re suffering in purgatory and just need our prayers to go to Heaven.
If you do pray for someone and they are in Hell–don’t despair–your prayer is not wasted–that prayer will be applied to whoever most needs it.
Anytime you are afraid of Hell just pray to Jesus and tell Him how much you love Him and how you are afraid of Hell–He’ll give your soul peace!
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sojourner5
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The reason I wonder about Judas is: during the 3 days after Jesus died- He went and preached to the spirits in prison ( those people that had died before Jesus came & became provided salvation). Was Judas one of those spirits in prison? Judas fulfilled his destiny- who is to say or Judge where his soul is?
God Bless You
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Marc_Anthony
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Key word: PROBABLY.
We shouldn’t base sermons on individual people who are in Hell, because we don’t actually know who is there. We should pray that he is in Heaven. We don’t need to speculate on who specifically is burning in eternal fire to know it’s a real option.
We shouldn’t be using Judas as an example of somebody who is in Hell because we have no idea if he’s actually there! Why do so many people seem to want him to be? It seems like you’re almost happy because it “really bothers universalists”!
Let’s stop caring. Hell is really frightening. We know that. We don’t need specific people to use as examples if God isn’t revealing them to us.
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Jerry-Jet
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I’m quite glad that it bothers the universalists because what they teach is wrong–is a product of the devil–and aids his cause in dragging souls to Hell.
Jesus says FEW there are that find the road to eternal life!
Jesus does not lie!
Maybe more Catholics should preach what Jesus SAID and TAUGHT like the lectionary in fact does so that more souls will escape Hell.
And no one is JOYFUL that Judas might be in Hell–but if Jesus says “It would be better for that man if he’d never been born”–that should scare ALL OF US.
Everytime we sin we betray our Lord to some extent!
Look–I’m not for Fire and Brimstone all of the time–the greatest attributes of God are Love and Mercy!
Maybe we should spend as much time on Hell as Jesus did in the gospels–that is MOST of the time Jesus wasn’t talking or teaching about Hell–but many times in some way or another He was speaking of Hell!
Nothing would make me happier than to make it to Heaven and find Judas there!
We should pray that everyone should make it there!
But we must acknowledge that only FEW will make it to Heaven because that’s what Jesus said!
If you don’t agree with that you don’t agree with Jesus!
Jesus says FEW there are that find the road to eternal life!
Jesus does not lie!
Maybe more Catholics should preach what Jesus SAID and TAUGHT like the lectionary in fact does so that more souls will escape Hell.
And no one is JOYFUL that Judas might be in Hell–but if Jesus says “It would be better for that man if he’d never been born”–that should scare ALL OF US.
Everytime we sin we betray our Lord to some extent!
Look–I’m not for Fire and Brimstone all of the time–the greatest attributes of God are Love and Mercy!
Maybe we should spend as much time on Hell as Jesus did in the gospels–that is MOST of the time Jesus wasn’t talking or teaching about Hell–but many times in some way or another He was speaking of Hell!
Nothing would make me happier than to make it to Heaven and find Judas there!
We should pray that everyone should make it there!
But we must acknowledge that only FEW will make it to Heaven because that’s what Jesus said!
If you don’t agree with that you don’t agree with Jesus!
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Marc_Anthony
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You can preach against Hell without using a specific person as an example.
In fact, you CAN’T use a specific person as an example since we don’t know who is in Hell-we don’t know if Judas is in Hell.
The fact that you’re happy a man is in Hell because it “bothers universalists” frankly, and I’m sorry this is so blunt, horrifies me.
We should hope and pray that Hell has as few people in it as possible. Using specific people as examples of people who are in Hell is simply wrong because we don’t know who is in Hell.
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Jerry-Jet
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I am not glad that Judas is in Hell–I don’t know if he is or not–but I do know that Jesus said “It would be better if that man had never been born.”
What does that mean? Or we supposed to suspend our brains and act as if nothing can be deduced from Holy Scripture?
Please tell me how many Church Fathers over the centuries have argued that Judas is in Hell versus those who have said that he isn’t?
But we’re supposed to suspend all knowledge of that too because the Catholic Church rightly says that we do not KNOW for certain any individual that is there?.
We may not KNOW but it isn’t a leap to read between the lines.
And in fact we’re SUPPOSED to read between the lines of scripture–if we don’t we would never be able to interpret them!
And no I wouldn’t want the soul of any person to be in Hell just to prove the universalists wrong but YES if it was God’s will for a person to be in Hell and IF knowledge of that proved the universalist position to be wrong so that MANY MORE souls would change their behavior to the point to where they wouldn’t be in Hell–then YES by all means I would be HAPPY if that was the case!
And you know WHY I would be happy–because to not be happy that God’s will is done would be to be against God.
We shouldn’t hope that Hell has as FEW people there as POSSIBLE because our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ has already said that only FEW make it to Heaven meaning that MANY make it to Hell.
To pray that the number of people in Hell would be FEW would be to pray for an eventuality that would make Our Lord a liar!
We can pray for all those currently and in the future that they would not go to Hell because that kind of prayer might be efficacious for SOME of them.
It is WRONG to pray that people in the past who went to Hell should not be there–that cannot be changed–and it doesn’t matter whether the universalist like it or not–it doesn’t matter if all of us currently living and in the future–if we all got together and prayed that it weren’t so–it wouldn’t MATTER–what is done is done and yes–even though we can’t KNOW with certainty which people are in Hell–
we do know with certainty that MANY ARE in Hell because Jesus said so!
And anyone who doesn’t believe that doesn’t believe Jesus.
And the reason why that has to be said and the universalists of this world have to have their LIE refuted is so that people can possibly make choices differently knowing that they are wrong
And that they can avoid Hell!
The reason to REFUTE the universalists is because You LOVE everyone and don’t want to see people go to Hell!
Now the devil WANTS people to believe the universalist position so he can take them to Hell!
And if you don’t like the fact that people are scared by Hell–take it up with Jesus who taught about Hell and take it up with the Holy Spirit that inspired the gospel writers to record the things He had to say about Hell and about how easy it was to go there.
Jesus taught about Hell–the Catholic Church has always taught of the existence of Hell–and all the lame universalists who want to make a case for Judas because the Catholic Church says that we don’t KNOW for certain that any specific person is there–and then just INVALIDATE all of Christ’s teaching about the place
Can you guess who’s behind such MODERNIST garbage?
Satan! And yes He’s also real too but the universalists don’t believe in him either!
So in the final analysis regarding this thread–I don’t care the status of Judas’ soul–because that’s already been decided by Christ though I would stay with the teaching of many of the Church Father’s over the centuries regarding his fate because of Jesus saying “It would have benn better if that man had never been born”.
but I DO care that all of Christ’s teaching about the reality that many will wind up in Hell is INVALIDATED by universalist garbage and that people may go to Hell by believing it.
I don’t believe it and now I’ve stated why others shouldn’t believe it–
now let’s just see how much longer the universalists will try to continue this battle here in this thread–to the detriment of people’s souls and to Christ’s own teachings!
What does that mean? Or we supposed to suspend our brains and act as if nothing can be deduced from Holy Scripture?
Please tell me how many Church Fathers over the centuries have argued that Judas is in Hell versus those who have said that he isn’t?
But we’re supposed to suspend all knowledge of that too because the Catholic Church rightly says that we do not KNOW for certain any individual that is there?.
We may not KNOW but it isn’t a leap to read between the lines.
And in fact we’re SUPPOSED to read between the lines of scripture–if we don’t we would never be able to interpret them!
And no I wouldn’t want the soul of any person to be in Hell just to prove the universalists wrong but YES if it was God’s will for a person to be in Hell and IF knowledge of that proved the universalist position to be wrong so that MANY MORE souls would change their behavior to the point to where they wouldn’t be in Hell–then YES by all means I would be HAPPY if that was the case!
And you know WHY I would be happy–because to not be happy that God’s will is done would be to be against God.
We shouldn’t hope that Hell has as FEW people there as POSSIBLE because our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ has already said that only FEW make it to Heaven meaning that MANY make it to Hell.
To pray that the number of people in Hell would be FEW would be to pray for an eventuality that would make Our Lord a liar!
We can pray for all those currently and in the future that they would not go to Hell because that kind of prayer might be efficacious for SOME of them.
It is WRONG to pray that people in the past who went to Hell should not be there–that cannot be changed–and it doesn’t matter whether the universalist like it or not–it doesn’t matter if all of us currently living and in the future–if we all got together and prayed that it weren’t so–it wouldn’t MATTER–what is done is done and yes–even though we can’t KNOW with certainty which people are in Hell–
we do know with certainty that MANY ARE in Hell because Jesus said so!
And anyone who doesn’t believe that doesn’t believe Jesus.
And the reason why that has to be said and the universalists of this world have to have their LIE refuted is so that people can possibly make choices differently knowing that they are wrong
And that they can avoid Hell!
The reason to REFUTE the universalists is because You LOVE everyone and don’t want to see people go to Hell!
Now the devil WANTS people to believe the universalist position so he can take them to Hell!
And if you don’t like the fact that people are scared by Hell–take it up with Jesus who taught about Hell and take it up with the Holy Spirit that inspired the gospel writers to record the things He had to say about Hell and about how easy it was to go there.
Jesus taught about Hell–the Catholic Church has always taught of the existence of Hell–and all the lame universalists who want to make a case for Judas because the Catholic Church says that we don’t KNOW for certain that any specific person is there–and then just INVALIDATE all of Christ’s teaching about the place
Can you guess who’s behind such MODERNIST garbage?
Satan! And yes He’s also real too but the universalists don’t believe in him either!
So in the final analysis regarding this thread–I don’t care the status of Judas’ soul–because that’s already been decided by Christ though I would stay with the teaching of many of the Church Father’s over the centuries regarding his fate because of Jesus saying “It would have benn better if that man had never been born”.
but I DO care that all of Christ’s teaching about the reality that many will wind up in Hell is INVALIDATED by universalist garbage and that people may go to Hell by believing it.
I don’t believe it and now I’ve stated why others shouldn’t believe it–
now let’s just see how much longer the universalists will try to continue this battle here in this thread–to the detriment of people’s souls and to Christ’s own teachings!
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HisIsTheCrown
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You are crazy !!!Because if Judas isn’t in hell, there might be hope for me.
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HisIsTheCrown
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The problem being that the Church is the official interpreter of Scripture and She says that that statement is open to interpretation. That no one here on earth can know whether Judas is in hell or not so we should pray for him in case he is not.
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Marc_Anthony
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This has NOTHING to do with universalism. It has everything to do with intense preoccupation over one man’s soul so we can hold it up as a sort of perverse example of why people shouldn’t be bad.
The problem is, we DON’T KNOW if Judas is in Hell or not!
We don’t need to use particular people as examples, and indeed there isn’t anybody who we KNOW we can use.
We can teach that Hell is a really bad place we need to avoid without using a specific person who may or may not be there as a sick example!
The problem is, we DON’T KNOW if Judas is in Hell or not!
We don’t need to use particular people as examples, and indeed there isn’t anybody who we KNOW we can use.
We can teach that Hell is a really bad place we need to avoid without using a specific person who may or may not be there as a sick example!
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Portrait
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Dearly beloved friends,
Cordial greetings and a very good day.
It has never been revealed that any particular soul is in Hell, but our Lord said respecting Judas, “Better for him had he never been born” and so we must say that it does not look too hopeful in his case, for no matter what a man has to undergo, if he attains eternal felicity in the end, then much better to have been born.
Sacred Scripture does appear to intimate that Judas would be eternally lost, for in Our Blessed Saviour’s great High Priestly Prayer, Christ says, “While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me; I have guarded them, and none of them is lost but the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled” (S. John 17: 12). Judas was lost by his own free-will determinedly choosing evil, notwithstanding being in Christ’s presence and hearing his holy teaching and warnings. God, Who in His omniscience, forsees all the possibile contingencies, forsaw and fortold the traitors tragic fall, and made it to serve His purposes of grace and redemption, without in the least degree, fore-ordaining it. Thus none of the apostles had perished, except the one who should perish - the one who’s very state and attribute it was to perish. The ancient Hebrew scriptures had indicated this (see Acts 1: 20), as St. Peter alleges.
Moreover, in the Book of Acts St. Peter tells us that “…Judas turned aside, to go to his own place” (Acts 1: 25). Like the other apostles he had been chosen by our Lord into one place, but had, alas, made another choice for himself, which had ended in destruction. The phrase, ‘his own place’ appears to have been early understood as refering to Hell, for St. Clement of Rome says of Peter, “Thus having borne a martry’s testimony he went to his appointed place of glory” - an expression that is evidently borrowed from Acts 1: 25.
Therefore, whilst no absolute sentence can be pronounced upon Judas, the biblical evidence, at least, does point very strongly in the direction that Judas went to Hell and that dark surmise, ‘his own place’, makes it extremely difficult for us to entertain much hope in his case.
Hope that is of some help, dear friends.
God bless.
Warmest good wishes,
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Pax
Cordial greetings and a very good day.
It has never been revealed that any particular soul is in Hell, but our Lord said respecting Judas, “Better for him had he never been born” and so we must say that it does not look too hopeful in his case, for no matter what a man has to undergo, if he attains eternal felicity in the end, then much better to have been born.
Sacred Scripture does appear to intimate that Judas would be eternally lost, for in Our Blessed Saviour’s great High Priestly Prayer, Christ says, “While I was with them, I kept them in your name, which you have given me; I have guarded them, and none of them is lost but the son of perdition, that the Scripture might be fulfilled” (S. John 17: 12). Judas was lost by his own free-will determinedly choosing evil, notwithstanding being in Christ’s presence and hearing his holy teaching and warnings. God, Who in His omniscience, forsees all the possibile contingencies, forsaw and fortold the traitors tragic fall, and made it to serve His purposes of grace and redemption, without in the least degree, fore-ordaining it. Thus none of the apostles had perished, except the one who should perish - the one who’s very state and attribute it was to perish. The ancient Hebrew scriptures had indicated this (see Acts 1: 20), as St. Peter alleges.
Moreover, in the Book of Acts St. Peter tells us that “…Judas turned aside, to go to his own place” (Acts 1: 25). Like the other apostles he had been chosen by our Lord into one place, but had, alas, made another choice for himself, which had ended in destruction. The phrase, ‘his own place’ appears to have been early understood as refering to Hell, for St. Clement of Rome says of Peter, “Thus having borne a martry’s testimony he went to his appointed place of glory” - an expression that is evidently borrowed from Acts 1: 25.
Therefore, whilst no absolute sentence can be pronounced upon Judas, the biblical evidence, at least, does point very strongly in the direction that Judas went to Hell and that dark surmise, ‘his own place’, makes it extremely difficult for us to entertain much hope in his case.
Hope that is of some help, dear friends.
God bless.
Warmest good wishes,
Portrait
Pax
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