Why do some Catholics lean politically conservative?

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TheLittleLady said:
I am not, in fact, costs keep going up and there is no increase in my wages.
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Well, to be fair, I didn’t ask if you were better off; I specifically asked “whether people in general” are better off. By all the economic indicators that would normally be consulted to answer that question - the answer is yes.
 
DENNYINMI said:
For the conservative when they use the word “socialism” nowadays it simply means they have no conservative ideals other than what they don’t want, but no ideas on what to DO…no Action. Cutting taxes and corporate welfare with support for monopolies doesn’t cut it.
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Again you consult your (low) opinion of conservatives to determine what they really believe while completely disregarding everything they might say. It is one thing to disagree with a proposal you think won’t work but quite another thing entirely to claim that no proposals have been made.

I’ve already mentioned several: more school choice. workfare instead of welfare, support of social institutions that foster good decisions (starting with the nuclear family). Others include removing or lessening restrictions on start up businesses, tort reform (medical costs are heavily affected by malpractice suites), controlling the borders, and the list goes on. You may disagree with all of these proposals, but let’s not pretend they don’t exist.
I’m done here. Another boot strap mentality with I’m sure more to follow…3,2,1,…Pity
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You don’t respond to what is actually said. You have one perspective on the issue and refer to it to the exclusion of anything that contradicts it.
 
Okay, how about I do not know anyone who is better off in the last two years.
 
To give Ender the benefit of the doubt, that may be a regional issue, he was referring to a general sense (like the country in general, am I right Hobbes?).

Do you live in a city? While cities are population centers, they have been getting more expensive over the years, particularly housing.
 
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TheLittleLady said:
Okay, how about I do not know anyone who is better off in the last two years.
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Again, this is anecdotal and doesn’t mean much. By all the standard economic indicators, people in general are financially better off today than two years ago. Finding people who are not better off doesn’t refute this claim any more than referring to the average height of women in the WNBA refutes the claim that men (in general) are taller than women. The exception does not refute the rule.
 
We don’t really have the funding to do that–though we try as best we can to help those in need. At the clinic I am involved with we make calls attempting to find temporary stop gap housing for those who show up in need–we do the best we can with the limited funds we have. I know of several we’ve been able to help get off the street in the past year. It’s the same at the parish, and I know we’re not the only CPC that does this. Again you ignore the fact that there are other organizations whose primary focus is the type of services you are talking about–did you contact them as well as a CPC? Do you berate them for what they are unable to do? I guess I find it better not to criticize those helping as best they can, and who are striving to do more–as if what they are doing has no value, and that everyone would be better off if they just stopped. I’m still not sure what your real beef is, but I know this – an abortion for these woman–is not going to solve their problems and will create additional problems for them down the road, and I don’t think CPC’s should be attacked for suggesting giving birth is a better option than abortion, for providing free pregnancy tests, free ultrasounds, for offering parenting classes, diapers, car seats, baby clothes, etc…perhaps you feel this is terrible, but I do not–I think it’s part of the solution, it’s just not the whole solution. We do what we can as funding provides. You can dismiss us if you like, but I prefer you pray for those woman who are in crisis and need help.

The peace of Christ,
Mark
 
She went through something that would be emotionally devastating and heartrending for some folks; perhaps this experience colored her option on the limitations of the pro-life movement. In this case, it was a tragic loss.

To be fair, perhaps many people are bitter against pro-lifers because they see a form of “wasted” potential like the former foster youth who never found a home or the domestic violence survivor who failed to find shelter and support. In their bitterness, they see folks who could have helped them but didn’t and even support a certain party that seems to heavy their burdens (Republicans aren’t known as champions of social and human services.)

I know these are difficult things to think about but it seems like the unborn who perish by abortion have the promise of peace even though its limbo but what would the one who fell to despair because they had no one and no recourse? How would you respond to this?
 
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I am saying that women in actual crisis pregnancy need more than diapers.
MarkInOregon said:
Again you ignore the fact that there are other organizations whose primary focus is the type of services you are talking about
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Would you provide me a link to a database of pre/post natal housing facilities?
 
There are some but more can be done though this shouldn’t discount the any good and well-meaning efforts out there. If you don’t mind me asking, please pray for these places; that they may be safe, stable and nurturing places for those in need and that more places like these can pop up to serve as sanctuaries for those in need.

http://www.catholicherald.co.uk/com...life-centres-provide-homes-for-women-in-need/


 
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TheLittleLady said:
Some people live where there is no pond in which TO fish!
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This is a fact that a lot of people don’t recognize. Some of our rural towns in Pennsylvania and nearby states reached their population peaks in 1880- the places have been on a downward spiral for a long time. They really don’t get any recognition from the federal government as they have virtually no immigrants and no racial minorities- having been in steep decline already during the Great Migration of American blacks after WWI.

For many of these communities, oil and gas , with the new Fracking technologies are giving them hope. Conservatives tend to be for those policies which will help out immensely, even though they aren’t “social” programs per se , and more along the line of an industrial program.

But this is the kind of thing conservatives favor to revive areas.
 
Not sure why you are fussing at me, I was simply inspired by your post to make a further point.

Wow. I have been called many things in the past years, a “con” is never one of them. Ask around, I am a bleeding heart liberal.
 
Know one but God knows the agony by the tens of thousands world wide helpless little children go through every single day. The most massive heinous atrocity the world has every seen. History shows, at times much of humanity participates or is complacent the marginalization, persecution, and killing of one group or another,
as some form of ‘right,’ and for earthly convenience and gain.
And if one looks at the history of our nation, the founding fathers upheld the natural law. I’m not going to use nomenclature to name groups, but revisionists allowed by the agenda of some, and complacency of most a war of attrition on common morality. The Declaration of Independence uses the phrases, The Laws of Nature and of Nature’s God. And the decades long honey speech propaganda war of attrition resulted in those swayed by this more and more - to use their peer pressure to start changing the laws of the land - and decidedly legislating and adjudication against Judaeo Christian groups having religious observance.
Yes, there have been some victories recently - but it will just be a blip in history if We The People do not wake up.
Many families feel helpless at what there children are exposed to and seduced with in public education. Many of these things are anathema.
I’m neither ‘right’ nor ‘left’; nor conservative. But supporting atrocity by the thousands; upheld by ‘progressive’ judges (or some other name) is reflection on history - when people claimed, ‘the law of the land.’ So whether it is a totalitarian government or the dictatorship of moral relativism — it is oppression of God given freedom that has been happening more and more. God help us.
The acceptance of anti-Judaeo Christian /anti-natural law ethic is at all time high;
because the nations that God Graced because they stove to uphold freedom for The Gospel, have in a large way rejected it. John Paul ii said much of world does not realize the magnitude of this. cont…
 
" *Why is it that so few realize the seriousness of our present crisis? Partly because men do not want to believe their own times are wicked, partly because it involves too much selfaccusation and principally because they have no standards outside of themselves by which to measure their times. If there is no fixed concept of justice how shall men know it is violated? Only those who live by faith really know what is happening in the world. The great masses without faith are unconscious of the destructive processes going on.The tragedy is not that the hairs of our civilization are gray; it is rather our failure to see that they are. The very day Sodom was destroyed, Scripture describes the sun as bright; Balthasar’s realm came to an end in darkness; people saw Noah preparing for the flood one hundred and twenty years before it came, but men would not believe. In the midst of seeming prosperity, world-unity, the decree to the angels goes forth but the masses go on their sordid routines. As our Lord said: “For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, even till that day in which Noah entered into the ark, and they knew not till the flood came, and took them all away; so also shall the coming of the Son of man be.” (Matthew 24:38, 39) Well may Our Saviour say to us what He said to the Saducees and Pharisees in His time: “When it is evening, you say: It will be fair weather, for the sky is red. And in the morning: Today there will be a storm, for the sky is red and lowering. You know then how to discern the face of the sky: and can you not know the signs of the times?” (Matthew 16:2, 3)" - Bishop Fulton J. Sheen
 
Wow! I have never seen that quote of St John. Where is it written? Where can I find it? Thanks!
 
redbetta said:
Personally, I know no conservative I know believes poverty is always the fault of the person. But a lot of poverty would be eliminated if people graduate high school, something not too hard in the US, and wait until marriage to have a kid.
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Self-contradiction of the week . . . .
 
There is no contradiction. Only a fool would deny that a lot of people end up in poverty because of bad decisions.
 
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