Why do some Catholics support "Gay Marriage"

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Blitzwing said:
Children are neither required nor necessary for a marriage. If the whole point of marriage is about procreation then why allow sterile people that those that don’t want kids to get married? And don’t say that it’s because they could have kids in the right circumstances because that isn’t how it works, if marriage is only about procreation then only people who can and want to have kids should be allowed to marry.
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I previously read about infertility, and there needs to be some clarification. There are hetrosexual married couples that are infertile but homosexual couples are impotent, for a homosexual couple there is no chance of procreating. So a direct comparison can not be made between an impotent homosexual couple and infertile hetrosexual couple.

Infertility can be caused by a medical problem which can be solved by ethical treatment wheras a homosexual couple, because of biological lack in complementarity, can not achieve procreation, there is no treatment a homosexual couple can have to achieve procreation and there is no natural way.

Infertile or post menopausal married couple can still provide a mother and a father to a child they may foster and adopt and as the ‘What is Marriage’ article indicates, can still create positive roles in the culture in regards to marriage. I reccomend reading the article. There are cases where women have got pregnant naturally after the menopause so the menopause is not always an end to the ability to get pregnant.
 
_Abyssinia said:
I previously read about infertility, and there needs to be some clarification. There are hetrosexual married couples that are infertile but homosexual couples are impotent, for a homosexual couple there is no chance of procreating. So a direct comparison can not be made between an impotent homosexual couple and infertile hetrosexual couple.

Infertility can be caused by a medical problem which can be solved by ethical treatment wheras a homosexual couple, because of biological lack in complementarity, can not achieve procreation, there is no treatment a homosexual couple can have to achieve procreation and there is no natural way.

Infertile or post menopausal married couple can still provide a mother and a father to a child they may foster and adopt and as the ‘What is Marriage’ article indicates, can still create positive roles in the culture in regards to marriage. I reccomend reading the article. There are cases where women have got pregnant naturally after the menopause so the menopause is not always an end to the ability to get pregnant.
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Yes, a same sex couple can never have specifically marital relations. Opposite sex couples can, even if they are infertile.
 
Thorns said:
I hope you realize that it is the first definition of marriage, going all the way back to the first ever human beings. Marriage has always been one man, one woman.
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In the Garden of Eden, fully grown, I suppose.

Marriage has many definitions depending on the culture you are describing. In my opinion, the one thing this world is sorely lacking is love, and any two people committing to each other increases that love.

The End.
 
Blitzwing said:
And that matter why?
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One of the requirements of the Sacrament of Matrimony is that both partners are potent and can engage in sexual relations open to life. Being open to life does not necessitate that one must be fertile, but one must certainly be potent and able to engage in the specific conjugal act appropriate to the Sacrament. In fact, marital partners cannot engage in any sexual act unless it concludes with the conjugal act open to life.
 
SMGS127 said:
One of the requirements of the Sacrament of Matrimony is that both partners are potent and can engage in sexual relations open to life. Being open to life does not necessitate that one must be fertile, but one must certainly be potent and able to engage in the specific conjugal act appropriate to the Sacrament. In fact, marital partners cannot engage in any sexual act unless it concludes with the conjugal act open to life.
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That may be required to satisfy the church but as far as the law is concerned sex doesn’t matter.
 
Blitzwing said:
That may be required to satisfy the church but as far as the law is concerned sex doesn’t matter.
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Right, but Catholics are very concerned with saving the souls of those who would otherwise endanger them. We have a duty to protect others, even if it means from themselves.
 
Blitzwing said:
And that matter why?
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The reason that the institution of marriage arose, whether as a natural institution or a religious one, was the very fact that men and woman, being sexually complementary could, and in many cases, did, have children. The state had an interest in the raising and education of children, and so took an interest in marriage. Not all marriages resulted in children, but most did. The state considered that a good thing, as it ensures continuance of a society, a culture, and civilization.

It took no particular interest in same sex activities, nor did it call them marriages.

It’s a rather essential development to the rise of civilizations. Nobody seemed to question why men and women were different and necessarily so, until our current age of irrationality.
 
SMGS127 said:
Right, but Catholics are very concerned with saving the souls of those who would otherwise endanger them. We have a duty to protect others, even if it means from themselves.
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You only duty is to mind your own business, if someone comes to you look to be “saved” then you can try to help them but otherwise stay out of issues that don’t concern you.
 
Blitzwing said:
You only duty is to mind your own business, if someone comes to you look to be “saved” then you can try to help them but otherwise stay out of issues that don’t concern you.
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So you don’t support there being limits on any medication or drugs ever? Since we shouldn’t be legislating things destructive to people on any level?
 
SMGS127 said:
So you don’t support there being limits on any medication or drugs ever? Since we shouldn’t be legislating things destructive to people on any level?
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No I think you should only try to help those that want it.
 
Blitzwing said:
No I think you should only try to help those that want it.
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Well at least you’re consistent. Personally, I believe cocaine should stay illegal and same-sex physicality should be discouraged as destructive to the soul.
 
SMGS127 said:
Well at least you’re consistent. Personally, I believe cocaine should stay illegal and same-sex physicality should be discouraged as destructive to the soul.
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I don’t care what you believe. It’s just common sense to only help those that want to be helped, doing otherwise will just get you a black eye and broken nose.
 
Thorns said:
I dont know how you can get any older than the first two humans. 🤷
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Whats your document regarding these two people.
Thorns said:
I think its safe to say all the other definitions of marriages are distortions of the original and are hardly marriages at all. We can see that in the fruits of these actions which prove theyre false all on their own, the truth is just that beautiful.
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I can point you to RESEARCH which shows polyamory is entirely healthy. “Christian” marriages go south all the time. Does this show they are false? Or that people screw up.
Thorns said:
Polygamy isnt love.
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I love BOTH of my boyfriends very much so I don’t know what your basis is.
Thorns said:
Homosexual unions arent love.
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How do you know? Do you have a love-o-meter?
Thorns said:
One man, one woman is commitment. Commitment is love.
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I’d argue that gay marriage and polyamory take MORE commitment. With gay marriage you have to fend of hatred. With polyamory there has to be lots of communication and giving of self.
 
Lokadottir said:
That is not a citation. I want a historical/scientific source when I ask for a citation.
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Umm, scientific evidence for marriage? That seems out of place and quite frankly funny.

You do know that Catholics believe in Sacred Tradition along with Sacred Scripture, dont you?
 
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