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SkepticalAsEver
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That…is not true. Tell me how many 20 year olds keep a stable relationship? Thats’ the steryotype we have.
The it’s “love” excuse is so easily defeated on a Catholic forum.
Two same-sex couples cannot have children without third party interference, thus they cannot express love by having children with only each other.
There is much more to love than just commitment. Besides, gay relationships tend to be short and unstable.
Not my idea of “love” or commitment.
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Kitcat1968
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I find this incredibly offensive. Are you suggesting same sex couples are incapable of love? I agree there are some statistics that shed a poor light on them, but we mustn’t forget what heterosexuals have done to marriage, either. More than half divorce. Love and commitment is not something you can determine as general as you’ve suggested. It varies from couple to couple. I’ve been married to my husband 43 years. The gay men who live down the street? Together 60 years. That’s quite an accomplishment for any couple, regardless of gender, my dear.
The it’s “love” excuse is so easily defeated on a Catholic forum.
Two same-sex couples cannot have children without third party interference, thus they cannot express love by having children with only each other.
There is much more to love than just commitment. Besides, gay relationships tend to be short and unstable.
Not my idea of “love” or commitment.
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SkepticalAsEver
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You’re the only person in this entire forum that reminds me of the fact that catholics can be considerate of difference. I don’t mean that trollingly to others, but thank you for that.
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Kitcat1968
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Oh, dear, I appreciate that. I love the church and I am as loyal as my soul allows, but when it comes to all this nonsense against homosexuals, I just can’t agree with the church.
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Kitcat1968
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When you’ve lived as many years as I have, you begin seeing the world as it really is and you begin to notice the mistakes you’ve continuously made and the things you’ve blindly followed.
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Rau
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I always assumed you act in accordance with your conscience. But it seems you are not able to expose any moral or secular reasoning for the position your conscience holds.
But more notable- you have gone beyond “not opposing” to “supporting” - that is, you advocate for it!
How is it possible to simultaneously describe yourself as a “devout Catholic loyal to the church” and a “cafeteria catholic”? I submit, with respect, it is not possible to be both.
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Elizium23
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It is interesting that you should mention difference here. The reason Catholics support traditional marriage is because of difference. The natural difference between a man and a woman, and their complementarity. You see, modern society wants us to believe that the sexes are not just equal, but equivalent, interchangeable. But it is not so. Men and women are fundamentally different, and we are made for one another. The only way which a couple may become one flesh is by using that difference for its natural purpose.
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Kitcat1968
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I’ve changed my profile to avoid any confusion. I am loyal to the church in that I trust it will find it’s way. God will show her the way.
Just as there are different denominations of Christianity, there are many types of Catholics. I happen to be one who, in my 78 years on this earth, have seen the mistakes the church has made over the decades and decades. But I have faith it will find it’s way.
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SkepticalAsEver
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census.gov/popclock/ - 50 bullion by 2050, my friend.
Men and women are two sides off the same coin, with a single chromosome of difference. We are not ‘made for one another’. Natural purpose is subjective, and you have taken another mans interpretation as your own.
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Elizium23
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Overpopulation? Do I really have to drop the Jaffe Memo image again?
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SkepticalAsEver
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You mean this one?
jillstanek.com/wp/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/jaffe-memo-e1322496033361.png
This is propaganda from a pro-life website. Not legit. Sir.
Do you want me to go grab a meme about the catholic agenda from a website devoted to atheists, and say this is the agenda of the catholic church fully? Both sides are biased. That image is no more real then the one saying catholics are some form of conspiracy.
Overpopulation is real, believe it or not. 2050? Maybe not.
2100 and we have a problem, and as time goes on, famine and war will become more prevalent for the continual need of resource. We can barely support the few we have now.
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SuperLuigi
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Evidence and research says otherwise.
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Apples and oranges.
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SkepticalAsEver
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Show me your evidence from a reputable source that isn’t related to the catholic church.
Apples and oranges? You are dreadfully misguided. I’m a fruit, but not that type.
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Rau
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You are loyal to the Church much like a parent is loyal to a wayward child. What need of Church have you if you substitute your views for its teaching? The Church has somewhat more than 78 years of experience. But I am comforted that you believe the Church will get it right in the end.
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Kitcat1968
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Must agree with you here. I’ve yet to see a credible source citing how unstable homosexual relationships can be, and of the questionable sources I’ve seen, only younger generations are surveyed.Show me your evidence from a reputable source that isn’t related to the catholic church.
Apples and oranges? You are dreadfully misguided. I’m a fruit, but not that type.
I hold the belief men in general are promiscuous by nature. This is something that will not reflect well when you consider most observations of same sex relationships survey MEN. From personal accounts, I’ve seen nothing short of loving, stable couples. But they are older and have grown out of their promiscuity, as most men tend to do.
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SuperLuigi
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Stick to the issues; offense is irrelevant.As far as producing children together and alone, it’s a biological fact that they cannot express the same marital love that heterosexual couples can. :yup:
These statistics should be considered when the state makes policy.
Red herring (see next response)
That does not justify so-called gay “marriage”. If gay relationships are so great, they should be able to stand on their own merit.
How sad it is that pro-gay rights activists must attack marriage in order to bolster their positions. :tsktsk:
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Trying to muddle words with subjectivity is not a way to enhance positions. Good things like situations that involved real love and commitment stand on their own merits.
Variance is not a sufficient explanation.
State policy is based on economics. Just because a person "knows of " a gay couple that has been together for a while does not mean it is the standard.
Most gay “relationships” are considerably shorter.
Those are the situations the state should subsidize.
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SuperLuigi
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Show me your evidence from a reputable source that isn’t related to the catholic church.
…this comment is asking me to avoid using Catholic sources on a Catholic forum???
Apples and oranges? You are dreadfully misguided. I’m a fruit, but not that type.
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Kitcat1968
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In the early 60s I was a naive girl who, along with many members of my local Catholic Church, actively protested against interracial marriage. Though the Church itself did not actively oppose it, it did not immediately rally behind it, either. I am ashamed of those years.You are loyal to the Church much like a parent is loyal to a wayward child. What need of Church have you if you substitute your views for its teaching? The Church has somewhat more than 78 years of experience. But I am comforted that you believe the Church will get it right in the end.
It was my own conscious choices that led me into those actions, but the church offered me little guidance regarding that issue
I may not be as old as the church, dear, but I’ve been around enough decades to state educated observations of Her. Enough observations, in fact, that I know in my heart God has a plan, and that perhaps the Church hasn’t tuned into Gods Will as much as they’d like to believe.
Make no mistake. I love The Church. But, if I may use your analogy, She is a child in some ways, and She just doesn’t fully understand what her Holy Father is trying to say. Not just yet.
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SuperLuigi
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Sources have been posted on here frequently.
tech.mit.edu/V124/N5/kolasinski.5c.html
frc.org/issuebrief/homosexual-parent-study-summary-of-findings
By the same token, I haven’t seen any sources from pro-gay “marriage” folks to suggest the state should subsidize so-called gay “marriage”.
Even under that assumption, gay men have far more sexual partners. Western straight men also trouble landing dates; that is discussed routinely in the Family Life forum.
Anecdotal evidence.
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