Why do some Catholics support legal abortion?

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In the same vain, how can certain political leaders call themselves Catholic and support abortion?If you outwardly say your for abortion you should be excommunicated. This is not like a sin that you are trying to stop or stumble with, with abortion, you actually advocate for the sin.
 
thewanderer said:
I’m just curious, are you intentionally ignoring my posts?
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No, is there something I didn’t address? My position is simple. There are laws of the land and there are laws of Catholicism. The laws of land are usually more permissive. The religious are free to more prohibitive in their own actions. No one is making people drink alcohol or eat pork or have abortions or gay sex or practice euthanasia. I can think all of those things are immoral and choose not to do them myself.

If others agree it can become the law of the land but currently it’s not. I have respect for the laws of the land. I’m not forced to act immorally. I can’t control the actions of others, only my own.
 
Adolphus_WC said:
Not everyone agrees that it is murder, just like not everyone agrees that euthanasia is murder.

I can respect the law of the land and I can think both of these practices are immoral. I can choose not to participate in them. They are not compulsory acts. No one is forcing Catholics to have abortions or practice euthanasia.
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This is an ignorant post. Do you really expect Catholics to believe that morality is relative to ones faith…?

The only reason a catholic would support legal abortions is if that catholic didn’t believe that abortion is murder… There is no other way a catholic could turn a blind eye to murder.
 
TEPO said:
This is an ignorant post. Do you really expect Catholics to believe that morality is relative to ones faith…?

The only reason a catholic would support legal abortions is if that catholic didn’t believe that abortion is murder… There is no other way a catholic could turn a blind eye to murder.
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There is a difference between morality and law. Divorce is legal yet immoral.
 
Adolphus_WC said:
No, is there something I didn’t address? My position is simple. There are laws of the land and there are laws of Catholicism. The laws of land are usually more permissive. The religious are free to more prohibitive in their own actions. No one is making people drink alcohol or eat pork or have abortions or gay sex or practice euthanasia. I can think all of those things are immoral and choose not to do them myself.

If others agree it can become the law of the land but currently it’s not. I have respect for the laws of the land. I’m not forced to act immorally. I can’t control the actions of others, only my own.
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You should google Moral Relativism, and understand how our society has become accustomed to it…
 
If there are catholics who do support legal abortion I guess it is because they figure that there will always be women who seek abortions and at least when it is legally available it is medically safer for the woman than ‘backstreet’ or DIY abortions. HOWEVER… I don’t think making it safer for the woman who seeks to murder her child is a valid reason for legalising this terrible act. Perhaps we should be working harder to provide good alternative choices for women who have unintended pregnancies ( like adoption) and giving them support and information- many don’t feel they have a real choice and suffer terrible regret later.
It may be legal but it will never be right… under any circumstances ever for anyone!
 
TEPO said:
Is there? And so Catholics are free then to support both legal divorce and abortion…? Because it’s -“law”… :confused:
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No one is making you get a divorce or an abortion. If you think an act is immoral you don’t have to do it. Prostitution and gambling are legal in Vegas, no one is making you visit a prostitute or gamble. You can still think it is immoral. It’s what the people of Nevada want. I can respect it without participating. Just as I can respect Kosher Law without participating in it.
 
No, not at all. It’s for the society to decide. But making law based on religion rather than discourse is a theocracy. Discourse drives a democracy.
 
Adolphus

**It’s not a Theocracy. **

O.K., so you’re a lapsed Catholic.

It isn’t just people who believe in God that are against abortion. I know lots of people who don’t go to church and use their common sense to know that you just don’t kill your own child.

But your comment is off topic. You keep getting off topic in almost every post. We are not debating the question of whether abortion is immoral. The Church has already decided that and Catholics are supposed to believe what the Church teaches.

So why do some Catholics support legal abortion?

Please get back on topic. Why would a Catholic support legal abortion but oppose legal cruelty to newborn animals? Why would a Catholic be all for “Save the whales!” but oppose “Save the babies!”
 
Adolphus_WC said:
They are open to discussion in a democratic society. That’s why we have the laws we do.
It’s not a Theocracy.
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Huh?

Who said anything about a Theocracy?

In a democratic society we are not to vote that it is ok to murder Jews or the unborn or whoever.

There is not right to murder anyone. Even in a democracy.
 
Adolphus_WC said:
They are open to discussion in a democratic society.
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Hum…

We hold these truths to be self evident…

In our country it is recognized even in the founding documents that these are not things that are open to opinion. They are self evident.

Not given by Government …but given by the Creator.
 
Charlemagne_II said:
Adolphus

**It’s not a Theocracy. **

O.K., so you’re a lapsed Catholic.

It isn’t just people who believe in God that are against abortion. I know lots of people who don’t go to church and use their common sense to know that you just don’t kill your own child.

But your comment is off topic. You keep getting off topic in almost every post. We are not debating the question of whether abortion is immoral. The Church has already decided that and Catholics are supposed to believe what the Church teaches.

So why do some Catholics support legal abortion?

Please get back on topic. Why would a Catholic support legal abortion but oppose legal cruelty to newborn animals? Why would a Catholic be all for “Save the whales!” but oppose “Save the babies!”
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I am not debating whether abortion is immoral. I have stated many times that it is. What I am saying is there are other things that I find immoral that are legal. Like divorce, or gambling, prostitution etc. People have had a discourse and made laws that reflected that discourse. The discourse continues. The law may change.

I can insert my opinion into that discourse. Whether as a Catholic and/or as a citizen I think that is everyone’s duty.

Now abortion is currently framed as a woman’s right issue. A woman should have self determination in what happens to her body. I can say that the fetus should take precedence and state the immorality of the inverse. Our society has determined that woman’s rights superseded those of the fetus. I respect our democracy and know that everyone doesn’t share my morality. So I respect the law of the land as it stands.

I don’t want to live under another religions laws - Sharia law for example. So I understand that leeway must be given in a free society.

Free speech is an example. I can despise some speech but understand that for my free speech to be respected I must respect theirs. If my religious freedom is to be respected I have to respect that others don’t share it.
 
Adolphus_WC said:
There is a difference between morality and law. Divorce is legal yet immoral.
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Not all of what is called “divorce” is immoral.

CCC:

2383 The separation of spouses while maintaining the marriage bond can be legitimate in certain cases provided for by canon law.

If civil divorce remains the only possible way of ensuring certain legal rights, the care of the children, or the protection of inheritance, it can be tolerated and does not constitute a moral offense.
 
An unjust law is simply by definition-- not a law.

No law can be made to permit murder. Period.
 
Adolphus_WC said:
I am not debating whether abortion is immoral. I have stated many times that it is. What I am saying is there are other things that I find immoral that are legal. Like divorce, or gambling, prostitution etc. People have had a discourse and made laws that reflected that discourse. The discourse continues. The law may change.
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An unjust law is simply by definition–* not a law*.

No law can be made to permit abortion. Period.

It is the among the most fundamental rights possessed by everyone everywhere.

And is not given by Government and if any law is made permitting abortion it is an unjust law and thus no real law.

Just as the law stating Jews are to be rounded up and murdered was a very very unjust law and not a law by a crime against human nature et al
 
Bookcat said:
Not all of what is called “divorce” is immoral.

CCC:

2383 The separation of spouses while maintaining the marriage bond can be legitimate in certain cases provided for by canon law.

If civil divorce remains the only possible way of ensuring certain legal rights, the care of the children, or the protection of inheritance, it can be tolerated and does not constitute a moral offense.
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[BIBLEDRB]Mark 10:7-9[/BIBLEDRB]
 
Bookcat said:
An unjust law is simply by definition–* not a law*.

No law can be made to permit abortion. Period.

It is the among the most fundamental rights possessed by everyone everywhere.

And is not given by Government and if any law is made permitting abortion it is an unjust law and thus no real law.

Just as the law stating Jews are to be rounded up and murdered was a very very unjust law and not a law by a crime against human nature et al
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In a democracy it can and was. 🤷
 
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