Why do some Christians view Catholics as non-Christians

[Truth_Hurts]

I need all the Grace I can get and then some lol

Wow Someone deleted my post… Locked my account “anti-Catholic troll”

Why??? Read my name… Truth Hurts! is that catholic should act??? I was asking a question cause I definitely know that the one who request for locked out CANT ANSWER MY QUESTION.

Pity for you.
I’ll post this again. Do you believe in this???:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Glories_of_Mary
Then read this:
For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. 1 Timothy 2:5
Now what your conclusion about this???

Where is the 2nd commandment? why splitting the 10th to 2? are we allowed to alter the scripture?
.

Open you mind and answer my question. If you can’t answer it then you’re blinded by the false teaching…

Answer it… are you afraid??? are you really a catholic? why cant answer…

Lock my account…again?

This is for you “And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free” John 8:32

 

[Truth_Hurts]

Anti catholic troll… hmmm… I think i know who’s the real troll is.

Purgatory…? Can you please give scripture that says about purgatory…

Would you kindly?

 

[aidanbradypop]

Wow Someone deleted my post… Locked my account “anti-Catholic troll”

Why??? Read my name… Truth Hurts! is that catholic should act??? I was asking a question cause I definitely know that the one who request for locked out CANT ANSWER MY QUESTION.

Pity for you.
I’ll post this again. Do you believe in this???:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Glories_of_Mary
Then read this:
For there is one God and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus. 1 Timothy 2:5
Now what your conclusion about this???

Where is the 2nd commandment? why splitting the 10th to 2? are we allowed to alter the scripture?
.

Open you mind and answer my question. If you can’t answer it then you’re blinded by the false teaching…

Answer it… are you afraid??? are you really a catholic? why cant answer…

Lock my account…again?

This is for you “And you will know the truth, and the truth will set you free” John 8:32

There is a website called carm.org and I am sure you will fit in. Have fun

 

[Eric_Hilbert]

Don’t feed the trolls

 

[TheKingdomOfGod]

Unfortunately it seems to be a trait of some sectarian style people.

I’ve been accused on a different forum of not being a Christian because I’m protestant/Anglican.

I’m sure these types of events, mainly motivated by stereotypes and basic mis-understanding between different branches and churches of Christianity, will unfortunately continue for the foreseeable future.

 

[aidanbradypop]

Unfortunately it seems to be a trait of some sectarian style people.

I’ve been accused on a different forum of not being a Christian because I’m protestant/Anglican.

I’m sure these types of events, mainly motivated by stereotypes and basic mis-understanding between different branches and churches of Christianity, will unfortunately continue for the foreseeable future.

I’m sorry you experienced that as well. We can pray for them and one another.

 

[TheKingdomOfGod]

I’m sorry you experienced that as well. We can pray for them and one another.

That’s a good idea. God bless you.

 

[guanophore]

I believe that the whole Protestant, Catholic, Orthodox, Independent Churches, etc. arguments are ridiculous. They should have been left in the last century and they shouldn’t have made it even that far. We Christians have to realize that we must become more united regardless of doctrinal or ritualistic differences. Most importantly this is what Christ wanted when he prayed for this to be so; all of you should read the Gospel According to John chapter 17. We also must remember that the most powerful enemies of Christianity today are not other Christians from other denominations. Personally, I believe that we are far better off united rather than divided and our divisions should be discarded, or at least reduced to the lowest level possible.

Well, my Centrist sibling in Christ, this is not possible. Unity does not come by setting aside the Truth revealed to humanity through Jesus.

Col 2:8-11
9 For in him the whole fullness of deity dwells bodily, 10 and you have come to fullness in him, who is the head of every ruler and authority.

Unity is created when each one adheres to the fullness of Truth revealed through Christ. I agree, Jesus wants unity, but part of that prayer is:

John 17:17-19
17 Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth. 18 As you have sent me into the world, so I have sent them into the world. 19 And for their sakes I sanctify myself, so that **they also may be sanctified in truth. **

John 18:37
Everyone who belongs to the truth listens to my voice.

Truth is not relative, and it does not oppose itself. Doctrines that are contradictory are obviously not all the Truth. So long as there are doctrines that oppose the Truth revealed by Jesus, divisions will exist. And the Apostle shows us the reasons for such division:

1 Cor 11:18-20
18 For, to begin with, when you come together as a church, I hear that there are divisions among you; and to some extent I believe it. 19** Indeed, there have to be factions among you, for only so will it become clear who among you are genuine**.

Those who are genuine will be united to the successors of the Apostles, the Bishops, and will embrace the doctrines taught by Jesus through them. In this way there will be One.

Eph 4:4-6
4 There is one body and one Spirit, just as you were called to the one hope of your calling, 5 one Lord, one faith, one baptism, 6 one God and Father of all, who is above all and through all and in all.

1 Cor 1:10
Now I appeal to you, brothers and sisters, by the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that all of you be in agreement and that there be no divisions among you, but that you be united in the same mind and the same purpose.

 

[SaintPatrick333]

There are various reasons why someone might think this, but by far the most common ones I have heard would be related to things that look idolatrous to other faiths and/or the placement of others between God and the faithful.

Some of the sacramental items and personal charms/idols, praying to Mary and the Saints, the priests’ role in confession, the pope’s role on Earth etc. - I think these things can seem pretty odd or even blasphemous to people of other traditions, and they may at least seem like they map onto ancient Roman/Pagan culture more than anything else.

It also seems to be quite easy for the casual reader of the scripture to come across snippets that appear to ban common Catholic practices - and people outside the church may lack detailed explanations of why this is not so. Some of the reasoning behind those explanations may rely on the premise that you accept the authority of the church, and by its very nature questioning something does not start with accepting it as infallible.

The rights and wrongs of this I don’t comment on. I think this is part of why, though.

99% of “Christians” who believe those things are simply ignorant beyond all hope. For them they have their butchered and watered down kjv “bible” that they read independently (in the sense that they treat the Bible as though it is a living thing, an ongoing source of revelation) believing that what they get from the bible is what it means. Anything outside of that it depends entirely on what the “pastor” of that “church” tells them to believe. Protestants are sheeple in the truest sense of the word. They are sheep being led to the slaughter by their pastors whom are nothing more than wolves in sheeps clothing.

 

[joe370]

There are various reasons why someone might think this, but by far the most common ones I have heard would be related to things that look idolatrous to other faiths and/or the placement of others between God and the faithful.

Some of the sacramental items and personal charms/idols, praying to Mary and the Saints, the priests’ role in confession, the pope’s role on Earth etc. - I think these things can seem pretty odd or even blasphemous to people of other traditions, and they may at least seem like they map onto ancient Roman/Pagan culture more than anything else.

It also seems to be quite easy for the casual reader of the scripture to come across snippets that appear to ban common Catholic practices - and people outside the church may lack detailed explanations of why this is not so. Some of the reasoning behind those explanations may rely on the premise that you accept the authority of the church, and by its very nature questioning something does not start with accepting it as infallible.

The rights and wrongs of this I don’t comment on. I think this is part of why, though.

The best recommendation for those folks: read the early church fathers. They need to see that everything the CC teaches today e.g. the ministerial priesthood confession etc., was taught by the folks closest to the apostolic age. Next, remind them how utterly foreign sola scriptura would have been to those same folks. It would have been viewed as a heresy, in my humble opinion. Martin Luther reminds us of the importance of Jesus’ church:

“I never approved of a schism, nor will I approve of it for all eternity. . . . That the Roman Church is more honored by God than all others is not to be doubted. St, Peter and St. Paul, forty-six Popes, some hundreds of thousands of martyrs, have laid down their lives in its communion, having overcome Hell and the world; so that the eyes of God rest on the Roman church with special favor. Though nowadays everything is in a wretched state, it is no ground for separating from the Church. On the contrary, the worse things are going, the more should we hold close to her, for it is not by separating from the Church that we can make her better. We must not separate from God on account of any work of the devil, nor cease to have fellowship with the children of God who are still abiding in the pale of Rome on account of the multitude of the ungodly. There is no sin, no amount of evil, which should be permitted to dissolve the bond of charity or break the bond of unity of the body. For love can do all things, and nothing is difficult to those who are united.” Martin Luther to Pope Leo X, January 6, 1519 more than a year after the Ninety-Five Theses quoted in The Facts about Luther, 356.

 

[MartinJordan]

“I never approved of a schism, nor will I approve of it for all eternity. . . . That the Roman Church is more honored by God than all others is not to be doubted. St, Peter and St. Paul, forty-six Popes, some hundreds of thousands of martyrs, have laid down their lives in its communion, having overcome Hell and the world; so that the eyes of God rest on the Roman church with special favor. Though nowadays everything is in a wretched state, it is no ground for separating from the Church. On the contrary, the worse things are going, the more should we hold close to her, for it is not by separating from the Church that we can make her better. We must not separate from God on account of any work of the devil, nor cease to have fellowship with the children of God who are still abiding in the pale of Rome on account of the multitude of the ungodly. There is no sin, no amount of evil, which should be permitted to dissolve the bond of charity or break the bond of unity of the body. For love can do all things, and nothing is difficult to those who are united.” Martin Luther to Pope Leo X, January 6, 1519 more than a year after the Ninety-Five Theses quoted in The Facts about Luther, 356.

This stated quoting took be my surprise…Im in shock but in a pleasant way

MJ

 

[aidanbradypop]

This stated quoting took be my surprise…Im in shock but in a pleasant way

MJ

It is a wonderful book.

 

[Isaiah45_9]

This stated quoting took be my surprise…Im in shock but in a pleasant way

MJ

Yes, a lot of people don’t know how Catholic Luther was.

 

[aidanbradypop]

Yes, a lot of people don’t know how Catholic Luther was.

Luther wanted the Catholic Church to be what he felt it should be. I do not believe he ever wanted it to splinter. I actually think for research that he truly thought the Church would reform to his ideas. You cannot find a more “catholic” protestant denomination than the LCMS. I believe if Luther could pick one today, he would be LCMS.

 

[cheezey]

Very true. However, that can be a rather tough task if one does not want to compromise one’s doctrinal beliefs e.g. the sacrifice of the Mass.

I agree with much of what you say here. There is a lot of energy that goes into arguing differences and it seem quite the waste.

True; We can still actively love each other despite the diferrences…

I’m sorry to hear you were treated that way. In the same type of vain, or at least similar, there are “answers” here in the “Ask An Apologist” section that Instruct Catholics to not attend a non-denominational or protestant bible study.

What is your, or anyone else’s, opinion on that? Does that seem similar? Is that close minded and dismissive of the Catholic Church.

I think so, since most is the same, is it not? Obviously with the exception of a few no less important books. We each have Matthew Mark, Luke and John…

… There is a lot of energy that goes into arguing differences and it seem quite the waste.

Doesn’t it, though? Philosophically, when I think of unity I think of One Body of Christ.
Many paths are leading to the One Body of Christ. Whether we agree with that or not. We have much to discuss that there are many paths, but there may a reason for the many paths. To me, One Body of Christ (unity) means we should be able to sit together, break dinner bread together, commune with each other in His love, not so much in argument; to expound on His love for all of us. To Love each other. This is the most important of all commandments, and oddly, the one with which we can be most unified.
Yes?

 

[aidanbradypop]

I’m sorry to hear you were treated that way. In the same type of vain, or at least similar, there are “answers” here in the “Ask An Apologist” section that Instruct Catholics to not attend a non-denominational or protestant bible study.

What is your, or anyone else’s, opinion on that? Does that seem similar? Is that close minded and dismissive of the Catholic Church.

I must have overlooked this.

Catholics are asked not to attend Protestant small groups because those small groups become a “converting session” rather than a study of Scripture. Protestant view Sacred Scripture much differently than a Catholic. I have attended Protestant small groups in the past and they never work out.

 

[guanophore]

It is just pure hate. That’s all! Would he smash a statue of The Sacred Heart of Jesus like that? Very seriously doubt it.

It is very ironic, because a lot of people think that the CC hates the “feminine” so much.

This man is so anxious to smash an image of the sacred woman that he does not even care to get the identity right!

 

[aidanbradypop]

It is very ironic, because a lot of people think that the CC hates the “feminine” so much.

This man is so anxious to smash an image of the sacred woman that he does not even care to get the identity right!

:banghead:uch:

 

[guanophore]

I must have overlooked this.

Catholics are asked not to attend Protestant small groups because those small groups become a “converting session” rather than a study of Scripture. Protestant view Sacred Scripture much differently than a Catholic. I have attended Protestant small groups in the past and they never work out.

I think it is both, they study Scripture, toward the goal of conversion. I was led away from the Church by participating in such small groups. They “work out” very well, as one can plainly see by the number of lapsed Catholics in other ecclesial communities.

There is a need in the CC for this kind of small group learning and reflection, and when we find a way to provide for our own, they wil not be so likely to wander off in search of “food”.

 

[aidanbradypop]

I think it is both, they study Scripture, toward the goal of conversion. I was led away from the Church by participating in such small groups. They “work out” very well, as one can plainly see by the number of lapsed Catholics in other ecclesial communities.

There is a need in the CC for this kind of small group learning and reflection, and when we find a way to provide for our own, they wil not be so likely to wander off in search of “food”.

Completely agree. We need to feed that hunger for Scripture within the Church