Why do some Masses not offer the blood at communion for parishioners?

[benedictgal]

How do they get that many chalices on the altar for the consecration?

I just hope that they are not made of glass.

 

[Charioteer]

How do they get that many chalices on the altar for the consecration?

When the altar is dressed one empty chalice is placed front and center on a very large corporal. Two trays are then placed on either side of the one chalice which hold chalices of wine and open ciboria of hosts which also sit on the large corporal. The remaining gifts are then processed up which include wine and water for one chalice plus a paten with a large host.

Works out very well. In talking to the managing sacristan they used to run out of the Precious Blood when they first opened the church. It took some time to fine tune their impeccable process.

 

[benedictgal]

When the altar is dressed one empty chalice is placed front and center on a very large corporal. Two trays are then placed on either side of the one chalice which hold chalices of wine and open ciboria of hosts which also sit on the large corporal. The remaining gifts are then processed up which include wine and water for one chalice plus a paten with a large host.

Works out very well. In talking to the managing sacristan they used to run out of the Precious Blood when they first opened the church. It took some time to fine tune their impeccable process.

However, I do not think that the chalices should be pre-filled with wine, since the celebrant and/or deacon should be doing that, per the norms. Furthermore, what are the chalices made of?

 

[diggerdomer]

However, I do not think that the chalices should be pre-filled with wine, since the celebrant and/or deacon should be doing that, per the norms. Furthermore, what are the chalices made of?

Second time you’ve referred to what they’re made of, with no response from anyone.

Is there something truly significant here? Are you hung up on something here? Is there some theologically important truth you’re trying to elicit, or is this just a personal question we can let go?

 

[Charioteer]

When the altar is dressed one empty chalice is placed front and center on a very large corporal. Two trays are then placed on either side of the one chalice which hold chalices of wine and open ciboria of hosts which also sit on the large corporal. The remaining gifts are then processed up which include wine and water for one chalice plus a paten with a large host.

Notice that my earlier posting makes no mention of the sacred vessel materials. That subject is clearly defined by the Church; its been beaten to death on these forums until it makes one ill and there is absolutely nothing in my posting to suggest the Church’s requirements are not being met.

There is also absolutely nothing in my posting that suggests the wine and water is being poured by anyone other than the celebrant, a concelebrant or a deacon.

Works out very well. In talking to the managing sacristan they used to run out of the Precious Blood when they first opened the church. It took some time to fine tune their impeccable process.

Some people just like to throw rocks or in this case, digressions. If anyone really wants to know what the sacred vessels are made from or the process employed to fill the chalices they can send me a private note.

 

[benedictgal]

Notice that my earlier posting makes no mention of the sacred vessel materials. That subject is clearly defined by the Church; its been beaten to death on these forums until it makes one ill and there is absolutely nothing in my posting to suggest the Church’s requirements are not being met.

There is also absolutely nothing in my posting that suggests the wine and water is being poured by anyone other than the celebrant, a concelebrant or a deacon.

Some people just like to throw rocks or in this case, digressions. If anyone really wants to know what the sacred vessels are made from or the process employed to fill the chalices they can send me a private note.

All that I am saying is that with that many chalices, they should not be made of anything other than what the Church requires. I asked you a legitimate and fair question.

The other issue is that the wine should not be pre-poured. It should happen within the course of the Mass, not before it.

 

[Charioteer]

All that I am saying is that with that many chalices, they should not be made of anything other than what the Church requires. I asked you a legitimate and fair question.

The number of chalices makes no difference. They all must meet the Church’s requirements. That goes without saying.

The other issue is that the wine should not be pre-poured. It should happen within the course of the Mass, not before it.

The gifts may certainly be prepared by clergy at the credence before being brought to the altar.

I too wonder why you attempted to raise two non-issues.

 

[benedictgal]

The number of chalices makes no difference. They all must meet the Church’s requirements. That goes without saying.

The gifts may certainly be prepared by clergy at the credence before being brought to the altar.

I too wonder why you attempted to raise two non-issues.

The issue is the timing of when this preparation occurs. I am curious as to a parish having 3,000 folks at one Mass. I can understand having 3,000 families registered. While you say that they have worked it down to a science, I am curious as to just when these chalices are prepared. They should be prepared during the Mass, not before it. Your initial post does not indicate when this happens.

The second, you seem to side-step the issue of what the composition of the chalices is. With that many chalices, I wonder if they are all gold or silver. The fact that you do not seem to want to answer the question leaves me with some doubt.

With all due respect, you also seem to remind me of a former CAF member who used to use the term “distributor” and seemed to have the same line of thought.

 

[centurionguard]

The issue is the timing of when this preparation occurs. I am curious as to a parish having 3,000 folks at one Mass. I can understand having 3,000 families registered. While you say that they have worked it down to a science, I am curious as to just when these chalices are prepared. They should be prepared during the Mass, not before it. Your initial post does not indicate when this happens.

The second, you seem to side-step the issue of what the composition of the chalices is. With that many chalices, I wonder if they are all gold or silver. The fact that you do not seem to want to answer the question leaves me with some doubt.

With all due respect, you also seem to remind me of a former CAF member who used to use the term “distributor” and seemed to have the same line of thought.

I am curious as to a parish having 3,000 folks at one Mass. I can understand having 3,000 families registered.

Interesting observation. Saint Patrick’s Cathedral in NYC is hailed as the biggest Catholic Church in the U.S. and it sits under 1,600 at full capacity under the Fire Marshall safety code.

 

[benedictgal]

Interesting observation. Saint Patrick’s Cathedral in NYC is hailed as the biggest Catholic Church in the U.S. and it sits under 1,600 at full capacity under the Fire Marshall safety code.

However, as someone noted who was posting about Archbishop Dolan’s Installation Mass, both species were not distributed (and he had a huge crowd). Furthermore, I do not believe that both species were distributed when Pope Benedict XVI celebrated Mass at St. Patrick’s.

 

[Charioteer]

Interesting observation. Saint Patrick’s Cathedral in NYC is hailed as the biggest Catholic Church in the U.S. and it sits under 1,600 at full capacity under the Fire Marshall safety code.

“Hailed” by whom? I have never heard that claim (or hail) from anyone. Your information in incorrect.

The seating capacity of the Basilica of the National Shrine of the Immaculate Conception’s upper church is 3,500 although standing room only it’s over 6,000 for the upper church.

nationalshrine.com/site/c.osJRKVPBJnH/b.4764147/k.9FF6/Architecture.htm

The seating capacity for St. Patrick’s in NYC is 2,400+/- Wiki has it as 2,200 and that is definitely low:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/St._Patrick%27s_Cathedral,_New_York

I read where 5,000 were crammed into St. Pat’s for Archbishop Dolan’s installation Mass.
The structure I am talking about is certainly larger than St. Pat’s but not as large as the National Shrine.