Why do some people believe in God and some don't?

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Just as there’s variance in how one interprets the word “god” there’s variance in what one believes constitutes “acceptance.” Some of these variances seem to fall within denomination lines, but not all of them do.

Much of what I’ve encountered seems do be derived from John 3:16 and that believing that Jesus existed is sufficient for guaranteeing one’s entry into heaven.
I am intrigued by Thinking Sapien’s application of the statistical method to an understanding of God. Psycholinguistically, he is correct. In fact, there are as many definitions of ‘psycholinguist’ itself as there are psycholinguists qua people. That rule of thumb holds true for nearly every word. Bird, plane, train–all have different mental images, so we believe, that are as unique as the individuals harboring them. What is also intriguing is the twofold fact that not only do these words and others have unique variance in their personal ‘meanings’ [admittedly a deeper concept than ‘images’], but the question as to whether there even exists a quintessential generic bird, plane, or train is highly debatable; for if it exists at all we need the creator of the generic to confirm our personal, relative meaningful conformity to it [the generic meaning]. One might go so far as to say that generic meanings and the variance they imply are altogether moot insofar as meaning itself is intangible and not all all generic. The practical problem with this view is that it makes of all conversation a moot, variable, non reliable, and irrelevant endeavor, whilst simultaneously espousing the dilemma of to-deviate-is-anathema. Where is the happy medium? Some philosophies call it a middle way. Those people failed to convince me because I found them to mean by middle way “Meet us half way from your point, and our fundamentally immovable position of all-in-the-mind.” The result is that if you take a step in their direction, now the half way point is redefined, and so on, like a computer performing a binary search until it reaches its target value. Zeno’s paradox is another way of looking at the situation. Paul’s description of preaching as folly and weakness take us deeper into the mystery of meaning because we encounter the ultimate means of our instruction to them, the sign of the cross.

So no matter what you mean by God, how is it that people all across the globe will converge and despite their disagreements on many words and concepts, all volunteer to ‘accept’ a piece of bread into their mouth and derive great peace from it–a Peace so great that they come back week after week, even day after day, and, upon acceptance of this gift, each time walk away with their questions and their disagreements answered and annulled, respectively? So what if this ‘main effect’ is temporary, fleeting, or transient? It’s always available the next day or week, as the individual may choose.

Does this mean that ‘understanding’ is itself the nature of God? I think not. It is called wisdom. God is Love. Particularly the Love of Christ for us. Love is that which points to the meaning of God who loves us. When we love someone, we have a shared understanding of meaning. We sacrifice our beliefs and change them totally and effortlessly if necessary, and, sometimes, even if this is an unhealthy thing to do. Jesus says that when two or three are gathered in his name, he himself is there amidst them. True, this assertion relies upon scripture for its foundation, but the scripture is Love in its purest, highest form, viz. God’s love for us all. When people think of the Son of God, it is his death which surpasses all other accompanying thoughts. Some may profess “no no no it’s the resurrection.” These people are likely engaged in an experiment doomed to personal failure in this regard: no one save Christ has ever lived to tell bodily of death. Either way, this death-resurrection Paschal rhythm effectively truncates the variance amongst images and mysteriously produces conformity at that level [of image]: of meaning the truncation is even further: Love. Miracles, parables, healing, loving looks, raising Lazarus [let the reader understand who], chasing after lost sheep, defending his disciples from bodily harm, forgiving all sinners—it’s all Love.

Yet we are programmed to bicker and disagree about so many irrelevant things because we are conditioned by the Devil to believe that this trail of tight associations is what leads us to God and love. Amidst this imbecile doctrine of the devil you can practically predict secular or professional affiliation by pronunciation of words or by conceptual or theoretical orientation that were not and never shall be of the native tongue of any of us. And some of these people eschew their brothers and sisters because of a lisp!
 
Simply put some people(like myself) don’t believe because we have not encountered anything that sustains a belief that any of the concepts of god (or gods) are descriptive of reality. I used the term “sustains a belief” because there was a time when I did believe. I think were my reasons were that as a child I (like many children) was inclined to believe what my parents taught me. The loss of the belief in a god paralleled the loss of a belief in Santa Claus and other childhood icons.

There’s inconsistencies in how people describe or define their concepts of a god. There’s been lots of other discussions within this forum in which there’s not agreement on the meaning of a word. Disagreement on word meanings and semantics is fertile ground for disagreements on a concept. Views on a deity are no exception to this (ever heard of ignosticism).

An overwhelming number of people that I have asked have stated their belief is based on some personal experience. It is usually an experience involving a personal struggle or something that caused a lot of stress in their life (from money problems to something life threatening). When the situation was resolved they attribute it to their concept of god or their gods (which seems to vary based on upbringing, social influences, so on. Some of the people I know are polytheist).

Others hold onto some concept of god that is independent of any religion at all. One of those people sees god as an agent that is necessarily dependent on and subject to the thoughts and whims of humans. She believes that she can employ this agent through meditating on a desired outcome long and hard enough. She once held onto one of the Christian concepts of a god but she left it because of personal experiences. During a time she was in need the assistance that the members of her church offered were limited to prayer. The people that did help her were on-believers. She was aware of the documentary hypothesis and I’m sure that played a role in her deconversion.
Can you clearify your statement "gods or god are descriptive of reality"What are you saying?Are you saying that the concept of God is unrealistic?
 
Just as there’s variance in how one interprets the word “god” there’s variance in what one believes constitutes “acceptance.” Some of these variances seem to fall within denomination lines, but not all of them do.

Much of what I’ve encountered seems do be derived from John 3:16 and that believing that Jesus existed is sufficient for guaranteeing one’s entry into heaven. I’ve been in a few holiness churches and in one acceptance included also being obligated to enforce the “laws” or the old testament. My first time in one was an alien experience; I was confused as to why people were nodding their heads in agreement as the preacher gave his misogynistic message and complained how the laws of the USA prohibited them from fully implementing God’s word. There are also some that view Jesus as an example of a good human that may or may not have existed and a model to follow. I don’t know what acceptance means for people holding this belief as I’ve never been so inclined to ask. And then there are some that believe you must first be one of the “elect of God” to be able to truly accept. If you are not one of the elect then you don’t have that option and people that don’t believe can’t believe because they are not of the elect. That view is worth a discussion of it’s own.
I think this is good.I think you are saying that we all have our idea of what God expects of us.Catholics have many laws which must be followed.Other denominations less.So who can really say who is saved and how isn’t.In the end in comes down to this I guess.Each person must do his(her)best.
 
I think this is good.I think you are saying that we all have our idea of what God expects of us.Catholics have many laws which must be followed.Other denominations less.So who can really say who is saved and how isn’t.In the end in comes down to this I guess.Each person must do his(her)best.
If the forums supported a “like” button I would be clicking on it for your response.

Because of these vast differences and the experience that one has with them I often thing that when people are discussion matters of religion the words that one uses don’t invoke similar thoughts in the other person, so they are essentially talking about two different things.
 
If the forums supported a “like” button I would be clicking on it for your response.

Because of these vast differences and the experience that one has with them I often thing that when people are discussion matters of religion the words that one uses don’t invoke similar thoughts in the other person, so they are essentially talking about two different things.
How can that be?
 
If each were talking about God, and there is only one God…What two things are you referring to?
 
If each were talking about God, and there is only one God…What two things are you referring to?
That’s poor wording on my part. I should have used the phrase “compatible concept” instead of “same things.” More specifically the attributes included in different concepts are at times incompatible.
Can you clearify your statement "gods or god are descriptive of reality"What are you saying?Are you saying that the concept of God is unrealistic?
No,it’s a statement of my belief position. I don’t label the possible existence of a deity or deities as impossible. So my belief position on this could change one day. But as I stand now I see deities as human constructs.
I am intrigued by Thinking Sapien’s application of the statistical method to an understanding of God. Psycholinguistically, he is correct…So no matter what you mean by God, how is it that people all across the globe will converge and despite their disagreements on many words and concepts, all volunteer to ‘accept’ a piece of bread into their mouth and derive great peace from it…Yet we are programmed to bicker and disagree about so many irrelevant things because we are conditioned by the Devil to believe that this trail of tight associations is what leads us to God and love…
I believe I understanding what you are saying with respect to the linguistics. The meaning of words and the attributes that are or are not assigned to the concepts the words are said to describe is a topic of much discussion within these forums. “Bicker” might be an understatement in some cases, but is descriptive of interactions that I’ve seen in threads during the small time that I’ve been in these forums.
 
An overwhelming number of people that I have asked have stated their belief is based on some personal experience. It is usually an experience involving a personal struggle or something that caused a lot of stress in their life (from money problems to something life threatening). When the situation was resolved they attribute it to their concept of god or their gods (which seems to vary based on upbringing, social influences, so on. Some of the people I know are polytheist).
My faith is not based on any personal experience of God. There is no experience of God that I may have had that cannot be alternatively explained in psychological terms, so while it may count as experience, it does not count as evidence for me. The continuation of my faith is the result of a rational weighing of options regarding worldview.
 
Ultimately the reason why people believe or disbelieve is simply that it’s a personal choice - regardless of everything else! Nothing compels us to believe or disbelieve. We are not cogs in a machine. The buck stops with us - which is an inexplicable fact for materialists…

Full-blooded belief in God is not simply intellectual assent but commitment of our entire self to all that represents God for us. That is why people have false gods or distorted concepts of God - like inanimate matter. But if we are motivated by love - which is itself a choice - we are unlikely to go far wrong, given that God is Love…🙂
 
Simply put some people(like myself) don’t believe because we have not encountered anything that sustains a belief that any of the concepts of god (or gods) are descriptive of reality. I used the term “sustains a belief” because there was a time when I did believe.
Does this mean that you have experienced all of life and found it devoid of a sustaining concept? If you were standing in a orchard of Granny Smith apples, you might conclude all apples are green. Does this mean that you now disbelieve the experience of others in the same orchard who tell you that apples are majorly Red?

What about the definition of God as Love? If you have experienced love, why not go with that definition as a start?
 
Does this mean that you have experienced all of life and found it devoid of a sustaining concept?
Have I experienced all of life? No.
Do I find life to be without any sustaining concepts? No.

Consider this unsustainable belief that I once had. I’m sure you know of people that once held similar beliefs:

I once held a belief in an elusive Arctic dwelling man that used to live with a group of industrious miniature human like beings. He had the ability to monitor every one on earth and around the end of the year he would reward us with gifts. There were a few people that denied his existence, but not I. The deniers must have been mad or hated him for some reason. I had read about this man in books. There were cartoons that were inspired by him. I had a personal experience with this man; more than once I had encountered him in malls and taken pictures with him. There were others that also talked about their experiences with him and had given testimony of having seen him delivering their rewards. One year I wanted a wrist watch as my reward for being good and when I woke up one morning the man had some how “magiced” a watch onto my arm. I was happy, until I found the packaging for the watch with a price tag. That was evidence that the watch came from a store. Why would he have needed to purchase a watch? He and his companions could make anything in their Arctic complex. Maybe it was easier to purchase it than to make it. But that got me thinking about other things, like why did the man not visit the poor kids houses? Why did the kids with seemingly wealthier parents get more rewards? The irreversible thought process had started and before I knew it the works of the magic man was slipping into being explainable by human causes. I was becoming one of those people that didn’t believe in his existence. I didn’t want to, but the belief was not consistent with the evidence and was being eroded. Before I knew it I believed that the generous Arctic magic man was made up. The cartoons that were inspired by him…well, that still seems to be true. Rather, they were inspired by the idea of him (and here I’m using the definition of inspire that means drawn forth from and not the Greek root definition that has to do with breathing). I can’t prove that he doesn’t exists. But I have no evidence that sustains believing that he does exists.
If you were standing in a orchard of Granny Smith apples, you might conclude all apples are green. Does this mean that you now disbelieve the experience of others in the same orchard who tell you that apples are majorly Red?
It’s difficult to imagine myself having lived a life in which I have been sheltered from knowledge of apples of colours other than green while while still being a person that thinks as I do today. Especially since various apple trees have been on the properties on which I have lived for two thirds of my life. But I can relate this to something similar. Until a few years ago I had only known of watermelon as becoming pink on the inside. I had been told by some one had informed me that there also existed watermelon that would become orange or yellow on the inside. This information had come from a man approximately 60 that grew up in an agricultural region and has grown plants for an overwhelming majority of his life. I know I was slightly surprised to receive this information and reworded the information back to him asking asking him if the way I stated it was true to make sure that I had not misunderstood him (so the belief was not immediate). I don’t trust everything that the man tells me. When I was younger he was one of the people that contributed to reinforcing a believe that an elusive Arctic dwelling man was rewarding me at the end of every year. But he has earned credibility with matters relating to plants. Since then I’ve gotten confirmation of this information from finding pictures of such water melon online, finding stores that had the seeds listed in their stock and having grown the seeds to produce more than one watermelon of these types. (here is a picture of one I had 707 days ago). My confidence in the proposition “some watermelon produce fruit that is orange and yellow on the inside” being descriptive of reality has been reconfirmed to me with each piece of evidence that I encountered. Prior to this I had encountered no evidence that a mature watermelon would be any colour other than pink on the inside. So I did not hold the belief that watermelon were any other colour.
What about the definition of God as Love? If you have experienced love, why not go with that definition as a start?
I can’t say that does any more for me than defining God as stellar nucleosynthesis.
 
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