Why do some people reject Vatican II?

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What you miss is that the problem was wide-spread among the young people who had been catechized by the Baltimore Catechism before and during the time of V2; what you might want to ask is: “Why did all the people who were well catechized buy into the sexual revolution?”
That’s the significant aspect as far as I can see. It was that generation who were well catechised but not weren’t able to properly defend the faith against the arrival of a new ‘authority’ on the scene. They were served fine by the old methods while the whole culture they lived in was following the same mores and morals… but when a new god spoke, they were strangely silent.

I think it reflected the systematic stifling of peoples freewill and conscience by the methods of the past which included excommunications and even executions in the not so distant past. Most people would acknowledge that being heavily punished for faith flaws is not a good thing.
 
That question is about the equivalent of asking how the Council of Trent encouraged and brought about reconciliation with the Orthodox Churches.

You are correct about the increase in sexual activity among children and young people, but the sexual revolution did not start with the hippies in the Haight Ashbury area of San Francisco. The Pill started in the 1940’s; but what was more an element of the elite (sexual activity outside of marriage) started to break open with the 1930 Lambeth Conference.

And the introduction of the Pill, which was in circulation well before V2 was finished, ignited the fuse on what had been simmering, and the social revolution which started about the same time as V2 was the explosion.

But you ask about catechesis; that went into La La Land after V 2 was completed and the twits on the Left to Far Left took over the reins, and that didn’t really start on a roll until into the 70’s.

What you miss is that the problem was wide-spread among the young people who had been catechized by the Baltimore Catechism before and during the time of V2; what you might want to ask is: “Why did all the people who were well catechized buy into the sexual revolution?”
The answer is easy: We Were Too Trusting Of Others. Everywhere I looked, I mostly saw good, hardworking people who were not afraid to talk about God, who was integrated into most of our daily lives. We watched what we said and did so out of respect for authority: police, parents, teachers, and our government who reminded us we were in a struggle not with Communism but “Godless Communism.” Unless one went searching, it was difficult to find dirty magazines with photos of nude or partly nude women (aside from Playboy which was considered a dirty/immoral magazine). It was not uncommon to hear: “You should be ashamed of yourself.” And Right and Wrong were the CORRECT words, not the meaningless, neutral “controversy” of today. There was no controversy. We were taught where the lines were, and why we shouldn’t cross them. We addressed our elders as Mister and Missus. And the media reflected and reinforced that.

Then, gynecology became legal. Adult Bookstores popped up everywhere in the 1970s. I remember turning a street corner and discovering a “normal” bar was now a topless bar, and strip clubs opened everywhere. Two insidious things happened: 1) The worst was a certain type of thick magazine that had small photos of attractive, partly or mostly nude women with contact information for no-strings-attached sex. 2) Certain “hippie-chicks” were available in my area for the same purpose. That’s right, attractive women were made available to short-circuit the ‘relationship’ part of relationships. Bad enough that young guys starting buying graphic sex magazines, they had the opportunity to try out what they saw in print.

The planners had done their job knowing that some would be caught in the web. Porn theaters opened up too, and sexual activity of some kind occurred there as well. I mean, anyone walking in to just watch a movie got to see other sexual things going on nearby in the audience. Those who were used to behaving this way - in private places - were part of the trap now that graphic porn had gone public.

The Pill was approved by the FDA in 1960 but Americans mostly lived in small towns and rural areas. So the “marketing push” really started to take off for the average person in 1967.

content.time.com/time/covers/0,16641,19670407,00.html

The media turned its back on Christian values starting in the 1970s and began to introduce people to risque, immoral and dysfunctional behaviors, which gradually escalated as the years passed. The “buy-in” did not occur all at once. It was a gradual process that was reinforced by a media that decided to change literally overnight. To give us not a reflection of good as it had for decades, but of immoral dysfunctional living - gradually. After the intial assault in the late 1960s, the body count began to rise, throw in porn and the totally wrong decision by the Supreme Court in 1973 to allow death for the unborn… We were betrayed. Powerful institutions were compromised. Our national conscience was cut with a knife. And it was not the well-catechized Catholic in the pews that was inflicting deep wounds by providing depravity at this scale.

Ed
 
Instinct has nothing whatever to do with the Church’s teaching on conscience. The OP asks the question of why do some people reject Vatican II. It is noted that there have been a number of comments concerning proper catechesis, and it appears there is a correlation between such comments and a lack of understanding of the teachings of Vatican II. It is an interesting phenomenon.
That is mildly put.
Maybe so, but the comment was perhaps not understood. I can’t see how the sexual revolution of the late '60’s has a thing to do with why some people reject Vatican II in the year 2015.
 
Maybe so, but the comment was perhaps not understood. I can’t see how the sexual revolution of the late '60’s has a thing to do with why some people reject Vatican II in the year 2015.
The simple answer is people with obviously questionable motives have repeatedly posted here about two totally fake things: (1) The non-existent “Spirit of Vatican II” which caused all the non-Vatican II authorized changes in Churches, and (2) Vatican II aided, if not propelled, the changes in Western culture which were clearly caused by people with plans and lots of money to legalize immorality and evil, in stages, to turn Western society into what they wanted: Lots and lots of sex, destruction of the family, and lots and lots of profanity, and most recently, more respect for Godlessness as a “good.” And the recent flurry of books like The God Delusion, and God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything.

After decades of poisoning us and sapping our strength, religion is poison, wrong is right and disguised corruption was well-marketed to bring us to 2015.

amazon.com/The-Marketing-Evil-Pseudo-Experts-Corruption/dp/1581824599

And what has been marketed and legalized recently? Pope Francis:

"At a rally for families in the country’s capital of Manila, the popular pontiff spoke of an “ideological colonization that we have to be careful about that is trying to destroy the family,” the pope said through a translator. Many people understood his remarks as a reference to same-sex marriage.

“The family is threatened by growing efforts on the part of some to redefine the very institution of marriage, by relativism, by the culture of the ephemeral, by a lack of openness to life,” Francis said at a Mass in Manila. “These realities are increasingly under attack from powerful forces, which threaten to disfigure God’s plan for creation.”

The perpetrators had various goals in mind right at the end of Vatican II. Our willingness to welcome the stranger meant our trust was abused. We were lied to.

Ed
 
Ed, who are the ‘perpetrators’ as you see it? I hesitate to think in terms of ‘perpetrators’ because of our experience of thinking of the Jews as the perpetrators of Jesus death for so long. Nowadays we are encouraged to see the perpetrator of that terrible act as something that we are all participants in each time we sin.
 
The simple answer is people with obviously questionable motives have repeatedly posted here about two totally fake things: (1) The non-existent “Spirit of Vatican II” which caused all the non-Vatican II authorized changes in Churches, and (2) Vatican II aided, if not propelled, the changes in Western culture which were clearly caused by people with plans and lots of money to legalize immorality and evil, in stages, to turn Western society into what they wanted: Lots and lots of sex, destruction of the family, and lots and lots of profanity, and most recently, more respect for Godlessness as a “good.” And the recent flurry of books like The God Delusion, and God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything.

After decades of poisoning us and sapping our strength, religion is poison, wrong is right and disguised corruption was well-marketed to bring us to 2015.

amazon.com/The-Marketing-Evil-Pseudo-Experts-Corruption/dp/1581824599

And what has been marketed and legalized recently? Pope Francis:

"At a rally for families in the country’s capital of Manila, the popular pontiff spoke of an “ideological colonization that we have to be careful about that is trying to destroy the family,” the pope said through a translator. Many people understood his remarks as a reference to same-sex marriage.

“The family is threatened by growing efforts on the part of some to redefine the very institution of marriage, by relativism, by the culture of the ephemeral, by a lack of openness to life,” Francis said at a Mass in Manila. “These realities are increasingly under attack from powerful forces, which threaten to disfigure God’s plan for creation.”

The perpetrators had various goals in mind right at the end of Vatican II. Our willingness to welcome the stranger meant our trust was abused. We were lied to.

Ed
I don’t understand this comment. What would this have to do with why some people reject Vatican II?
 
Ed, who are the ‘perpetrators’ as you see it? I hesitate to think in terms of ‘perpetrators’ because of our experience of thinking of the Jews as the perpetrators of Jesus death for so long. Nowadays we are encouraged to see the perpetrator of that terrible act as something that we are all participants in each time we sin.
Perp or perpetrator is a police term. I’m not going to name names although I have some and the supporting information.

Jesus died for all men so that sins could be forgiven.

Regarding my original thoughts about why people reject Vatican II, it’s the result of lies about it. Only one group rejected Vatican II for their own reasons, but that’s another topic (which strangely, gets brought up here too often in my view).

I don’t accept the idea that some people - Catholics in the pews - freaked out when they went to Mass, the priest was facing the people and the Mass was in the vernacular. Whether you were in Catholic school or not at the time, I think Pope Benedict has been quite clear that any “confusion” that occurred after the Council was not caused by the Church. Obviously, the Church, imitating the patience of Christ and in order to avoid scandal, spent decades dealing with the “Council of the Media” and those in the Church who disagreed with the Church to finally say, in 2013, that the “true Council” was finally emerging.

Obviously, there was a struggle, but true fraternal correction or any other action that was taken was usually not made public, or if it was, just a few facts and that was it.

Ed
 
Perp or perpetrator is a police term. I’m not going to name names although I have some and the supporting information.

Jesus died for all men so that sins could be forgiven.

Regarding my original thoughts about why people reject Vatican II, it’s the result of lies about it. Only one group rejected Vatican II for their own reasons, but that’s another topic (which strangely, gets brought up here too often in my view).

I don’t accept the idea that some people - Catholics in the pews - freaked out when they went to Mass, the priest was facing the people and the Mass was in the vernacular.
As it happens, I was already an adult when the first Mass in the vernacular was said at my parrish church. I was there. While I wouldn’t say anyone “freaked out”, there were many Catholics (some in my own family) who did not embrace the changes. And this is a fact.

It had nothing whatever to do with any conspiracy concerning the implementation of Vatican II. It had everything to do with the TLM.
 
As it happens, I was already an adult when the first Mass in the vernacular was said at my parrish church. I was there. While I wouldn’t say anyone “freaked out”, there were many Catholics (some in my own family) who did not embrace the changes. And this is a fact.

It had nothing whatever to do with any conspiracy concerning the implementation of Vatican II. It had everything to do with the TLM.
It is very clear that groups of people did sow confusion in the Church timed to begin when Vatican II ended. I started with the Traditional Latin Mass. My only goal/desire was to obey Holy Mother Church. The changes were not mine to make.

Ed
 
It is very clear that groups of people did sow confusion in the Church timed to begin when Vatican II ended. I started with the Traditional Latin Mass. My only goal/desire was to obey Holy Mother Church. The changes were not mine to make.
Didn’t the bishops run polls to test these changes? There seem to be those people who give out these statistics that most loved the Mass in English, audibilized, facing the people, etc., at least stats of those people who still came out to Mass.

I don’t buy this “people had nothing to say on the matter” stuff. It’s just that not everyone was pleased. Was this a surprise? Certainly not to those who have studied the psychology of adjustments.
 
See I’m not of the opinion that catechesis has completely failed since VII. The social justice work of the Church has really taken off and flourished since that time …

So while one aspect of Catholic tradition is wanting these days, another aspect of Catholic teaching is flourishing in the mainstream.
And meanwhile our churches are emptying, children don’t understand the basics of our faith (because their parents don’t understand either) and moral relativism seems to run rampant among baptised Catholics. The culture of death, highlighted very clearly by St John Paul II, grows around us and seems to have become accepted as quite normal.

Yes, social justice is important, but the salvation of souls is what the Church exists for. The nature of sin hasn’t changed, the devil hasn’t gone away, and the spiritual battle for souls rages all around us.
 
And the introduction of the Pill, which was in circulation well before V2 was finished, ignited the fuse on what had been simmering, and the social revolution which started about the same time as V2 was the explosion.

But you ask about catechesis; that went into La La Land after V 2 was completed and the twits on the Left to Far Left took over the reins, and that didn’t really start on a roll until into the 70’s.

What you miss is that the problem was wide-spread among the young people who had been catechized by the Baltimore Catechism before and during the time of V2; what you might want to ask is: “Why did all the people who were well catechized buy into the sexual revolution?”
You have a valid point about the beginnings of the sexual revolution, and I am not attributing the cause for this to anything that came out of Vatican II, but as a means of engaging with the world, including the sexual revolution that was brewing has the Catholic faith in our world seen an overall improvement or decline since the Second Vatican Council?

This isn’t the fault of the statements of the documents of the documents of Vatican, but I agree with you that the ‘progressive’ element took control and with the mantra of ‘the Spirit of Vatican II’ proceeded to throw out the need for catechesis (which has now almost collapsed), went beyond ecumenism (in some cases to the point of almost religious indifference), played fast and loose with the liturgy (ignoring even the rubrics of the new Mass), in some cases denigrated traditional Catholic devotions in the bin, and downplayed sin (resulting in the almost collapse of the perceived need of the sacrament of Penance and the seeming acceptance of moral relativity).

And what state does the Church find Herself in now? Confession lines empty, Mass attendances falling, parishes closing, baptised Catholics who don’t know even the basics of their faith, Church teachings on sexual morality rejected or ignored by many. But that’s OK because we’re a more ‘modern’ Church these days?

The ‘progressive’ element is still very much in control of the Church and in many cases refuses to acknowledge the failure of the approach taken over the past 50 years.
 
Most of the people who were around during V2 have long since gone to their eternal rewards, regardless of what they thought about the council.

Some people didn’t like what came out of Vatican 2, and people tend to reject what they don’t like.

But like I said, those folks are pretty old by now, and will soon be gone.
Still here AND working with an Apostolate to correct errors that wrongly crept in post VII.

The Greatest Commandment, Matthew 22
…37And He said to him, "‘YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.’ 38"This is the great and foremost commandment. 39"The second is like it, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.’…
 
And meanwhile our churches are emptying, children don’t understand the basics of our faith (because their parents don’t understand either) and moral relativism seems to run rampant among baptised Catholics. The culture of death, highlighted very clearly by St John Paul II, grows around us and seems to have become accepted as quite normal.

Yes, social justice is important, but the salvation of souls is what the Church exists for. The nature of sin hasn’t changed, the devil hasn’t gone away, and the spiritual battle for souls rages all around us.
This was a 40 year project that was evangelized by “underground” groups that became very visible in the 1970s. Millions of dollars were spent, laws were changed, and in one case, not for the intended purpose. Read how it was done in that case:

catholicnewsagency.com/resources/abortion/articles-and-addresses/an-ex-abortionist-speaks/

Jane Roe in Roe v. Wade never got an abortion. Her name is Norma McCorvey and she is now pro-life.

Sin hasn’t changed but manipulating people through deception and changing laws has increased, along with modeling bad behavior in movies and on TV. The road to destruction is wide. It took 40 years to gradually widen it, and there were dissidents inside the Church that helped.

Ed
 
I don’t really understand what you mean by saying that ‘mass communication is a market product’. We have developed sophisticated technology to facilitate communications but some media of social communication has always existed in the world. The Renaissance and age of Enlightenment in the recent past, demonstrate that the veins of social communication are very real and fast flowing regardless of the type of media at work.
You do yourself too little credit; you demonstrate that you know what I mean in your last paragraph. I will explain there.

That technology is sophisticated is true. That we have had social communication since the advent of language is also true. And yet, mass communication is a market product. Do you not pay for it, exchange goods for it, isolate those who do not have access to it, have charitable foundations to spread it, acquire more and more devices to access it, and, ultimately, to treat people as though they must have it (or else be ‘‘tribal’’)?

Since it is a market product, though, it is necessarily true that it is produced by the market - and the market is out to make profit. You cannot ignore this deminsion, or have you ignored the passage in Laudato Si which insists that every purchase is a moral choice - never a purely economical one? If something is produced by the market, then it is inculturated (i.e. it is created according to it’s birthing-society’s assumptions). Yet, as I argued in 150 and you never did me the courtesy of a reply, some cultures are more compatible with Revelation then others - to say otherwise is to separate religion and culture absolutely, saying that one can have no influence on the other; simply an incorrect idea, or else a lot of theology will go to pots.
Vatican II was a different Council to previous councils in that it recognised that it couldn’t depend of the tribal dynamic to impart its authoritative teachings anymore… it was no threat to the authoritative teaching of the ‘tribal leader’.
There it is again; the idea of cultural-change is inevitable, and that if one tries to preserve culture, one is ‘‘tribal.’’ Why, then, are you so unwilling to consider the possibility that culture is, in fact, something to be preserved? Your idea (cultural-change is a good, inevitable thing) is an idea you share with your culture; you are, as it were, inculturated. Very well, your defence of it must be as tribal as those who defend ideas of culture which you disagree with.

To defend the idea that culture is to be preserved is not ‘‘tribal,’’ or ‘‘cult’’ or ‘‘isolationist’’ or any of the other words you’ve used to belittle it; it is an affirmation of the idea that culture is not a blank-slate - a neutral field.

E.g. Communism has clear cultural-effects. A communist culture is less able to receive Revelation than many other cultures, precisely because that culture’s assumptions are less-compatible with Christianity. The most effective thing, then, would not be to conform Christianity to communism (philosophical impossible), but to work to make that culture Catholic. On the other hand, there are cultures which are built on Christian assumptions. In that case, the culture ought to be persevered in order to facilitate evangelization.
The whole Church had been constructed within that tribal dynamic… which goes against the whole principle the Catholic faith. That is to go out into the world.
I cannot imagine the assumptions I would have to have about myself to think that I knew, out of hand, that everyone throughout history who, conforming to their culture’s ideas, believed that that culture was to be preserved, were going against the whole principle of the Catholic faith - waiting in darkness for me to enlighten them by me conforming to my own culture’s ideas.
Too many people had become religious automatons being Catholic out of tradition, rather than experiencing that identity. Hence when something like reliable contraception came on the market, their superficial identity just crumbled and there was no deeper instinct to reject the new exciting lifestyle.
Perhaps. Or perhaps choices were made which destroyed their catholic identity, both before and after the council, before the collapse of their identity became manifest. Vatican II need not be so strict a line-of-demarcation. If there were, perhaps, deficiencies which developed during the 50’s and 60’s, one need not necessarily say that those deficiencies had always been there in previous times. I am inherently suspicious of anyone, though, who sees the world’s problems as being solved when, finally, the world accepted his or her ideas on some matter.
I personally have a new cynicism for Catholic media that forces me to read the documents available for myself rather than trust anything in the media too much.
Catholic media is a market product, just as any kind of mass media is. Why, then, are you cynical of the Catholic media (as I also am), but not of the media in general? The media in general is after the dominance of its ideas as stringently as you and the Catholic media are. That is precisely my point about the Mass media being a market-product, and therefore, not a neutral field. This means we cannot assume that mass-media is a good tool, having been inculturated in a secular culture.
 
Still here AND working with an Apostolate to correct errors that wrongly crept in post VII.

The Greatest Commandment, Matthew 22
…37And He said to him, "‘YOU SHALL LOVE THE LORD YOUR GOD WITH ALL YOUR HEART, AND WITH ALL YOUR SOUL, AND WITH ALL YOUR MIND.’ 38"This is the great and foremost commandment. 39"The second is like it, ‘YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF.’…
Still here and posting about how it happened. And, God willing, for a long time to come.

Ed
 
That technology is sophisticated is true. That we have had social communication since the advent of language is also true. And yet, mass communication is a market product. Do you not pay for it, exchange goods for it, isolate those who do not have access to it, have charitable foundations to spread it, acquire more and more devices to access it, and, ultimately, to treat people as though they must have it - or else be ‘‘tribal’’?

Since it is a market product, though, it is necessarily true that it is produced by the market - and the market is out to make profit. You cannot ignore this deminision, or have you ignored the passage in Laudato Si which insists that every purchase is a moral choice - never a purely economical one? If something is produced by the market, then it is inculturated (i.e. it is created according to it’s birthing-society’s assumptions). Yet, as I argued in 150 and you never did me the courtesy of a reply, some cultures are more compatible with Revelation then others - to say otherwise is to separate religion and culture absolutely, saying that one can have no influence on the other; simply an incorrect idea, or else a lot of theology will go to pots.

There it is again; the idea of cultural-change is inevitable, and that if one tries to preserve culture, one is ‘‘tribal.’’ Why, then, are you so unwilling to consider the possibility that culture is, in fact, something to be preserved? Your idea (cultural-change is a good, inevitable thing) is an idea you share with your culture; you are, as it were, inculturated. Very well, your defence of it must be as tribal as those who defend ideas of culture which you disagree with.

To defend the idea that culture is to be preserved is not ‘‘tribal,’’ or ‘‘cult’’ or ‘‘isolationist’’ or any of the other words you’ve used to belittle it; it is an affirmation of the idea that culture is not a blank-slate - a neutral field.

E.g. Communism has clear cultural-effects. A communist culture is less able to receive Revelation than many other cultures, precisely because that culture’s assumptions are less-compatible with Christianity. The most effective thing, then, would not be to conform Christianity to communism (philosophical impossible), but to work to male that culture Catholic. On the other hand, there are cultures which are built on Christian assumptions. In that case, the culture ought to be persevered in order to facilitate evangelization.

I cannot imagine the assumptions I would have to have about myself to think that I knew, out of hand, that everyone throughout history who, conforming to their culture’s ideas, believed that that culture was to be preserved, were going against the whole principle of the Catholic faith - waiting in darkness for me to enlighten them by me conforming to my own culture’s ideas.

Perhaps. Or perhaps choices were made which destroyed their catholic identity, both before and after the council, before the collapse of their identity became manifest. Vatican II need not be so strict a line-of-demarcation. If there were, perhaps, deficiencies which developed during the 50’s and 60’s, one need not necessarily say that those deficiencies had always been there in previous times. I am inherently suspicious of anyone, though, who sees the world’s problems as being solved when, finally, the world accepted his or her ideas on some matter.

Catholic media is a market product, just as any kind of mass media is. Why, then, are you cynical of the Catholic media (as I also am), but not of the media in general? The media in general is after the dominance of its ideas as stringently as you and the Catholic media are. That is precisely point about the Mass media being a market-product, and therefore, not a neutral field. This means we cannot assume that mass-media is a good tool, having been inculturated in a secular culture.
After having spent many years studying the media, that is correct. If we had gone from I Love Lucy to Two and a Half Men overnight, I guarantee there would have been a great outcry. But you don’t desensitize a population to more sin in one step, you do it gradually, over years, over decades.

When I used to listen to the “mainstream” radio for music and someone complained about bad/immoral lyrics, the standard reply was: “That’s tame by today’s standards.” My point being: there weren’t any “standards.” There was nothing but the ongoing worsening of “popular” music to the point where I stopped listening.

When you go to Church for one hour a week and then turn on the mainstream radio or read a magazine or newspaper or book, do you get something reflective of good, moral and unambiguous truth? In 99% of the cases, especially when it concerns “popular culture,” no - absolutely not.

They are working 24/7 to gradually change people; how you perceive the world around you. It’s called ‘perception management.’ And they aren’t stopping, aside from the occasional “The Pope is in town,” now ‘back to our ongoing promotion of immorality and wrong thinking.’

Ed
 
You do yourself too little credit; you demonstrate that you know what I mean in your last paragraph. I will explain there.

That technology is sophisticated is true. That we have had social communication since the advent of language is also true. And yet, mass communication is a market product. Do you not pay for it, exchange goods for it, isolate those who do not have access to it, have charitable foundations to spread it, acquire more and more devices to access it, and, ultimately, to treat people as though they must have it (or else be ‘‘tribal’’)?

Since it is a market product, though, it is necessarily true that it is produced by the market - and the market is out to make profit. You cannot ignore this deminsion, or have you ignored the passage in Laudato Si which insists that every purchase is a moral choice - never a purely economical one? If something is produced by the market, then it is inculturated (i.e. it is created according to it’s birthing-society’s assumptions). Yet, as I argued in 150 and you never did me the courtesy of a reply, some cultures are more compatible with Revelation then others - to say otherwise is to separate religion and culture absolutely, saying that one can have no influence on the other; simply an incorrect idea, or else a lot of theology will go to pots.

There it is again; the idea of cultural-change is inevitable, and that if one tries to preserve culture, one is ‘‘tribal.’’ Why, then, are you so unwilling to consider the possibility that culture is, in fact, something to be preserved? Your idea (cultural-change is a good, inevitable thing) is an idea you share with your culture; you are, as it were, inculturated. Very well, your defence of it must be as tribal as those who defend ideas of culture which you disagree with.

To defend the idea that culture is to be preserved is not ‘‘tribal,’’ or ‘‘cult’’ or ‘‘isolationist’’ or any of the other words you’ve used to belittle it; it is an affirmation of the idea that culture is not a blank-slate - a neutral field.

E.g. Communism has clear cultural-effects. A communist culture is less able to receive Revelation than many other cultures, precisely because that culture’s assumptions are less-compatible with Christianity. The most effective thing, then, would not be to conform Christianity to communism (philosophical impossible), but to work to make that culture Catholic. On the other hand, there are cultures which are built on Christian assumptions. In that case, the culture ought to be persevered in order to facilitate evangelization.

I cannot imagine the assumptions I would have to have about myself to think that I knew, out of hand, that everyone throughout history who, conforming to their culture’s ideas, believed that that culture was to be preserved, were going against the whole principle of the Catholic faith - waiting in darkness for me to enlighten them by me conforming to my own culture’s ideas.

Perhaps. Or perhaps choices were made which destroyed their catholic identity, both before and after the council, before the collapse of their identity became manifest. Vatican II need not be so strict a line-of-demarcation. If there were, perhaps, deficiencies which developed during the 50’s and 60’s, one need not necessarily say that those deficiencies had always been there in previous times. I am inherently suspicious of anyone, though, who sees the world’s problems as being solved when, finally, the world accepted his or her ideas on some matter.

Catholic media is a market product, just as any kind of mass media is. Why, then, are you cynical of the Catholic media (as I also am), but not of the media in general? The media in general is after the dominance of its ideas as stringently as you and the Catholic media are. That is precisely my point about the Mass media being a market-product, and therefore, not a neutral field. This means we cannot assume that mass-media is a good tool, having been inculturated in a secular culture.
The Church exists in history, time and the temporal world of change, and it had evolved for nearly two-thousand years by the 1950’s to become what is now called the pre-Vatican II Church. History continues to advance, and it is not possible for either the world or the Church to return to the 1950’s.

The question of the OP is “Why do some people reject Vatican II?” It is a large question, and I do not think it has a single explanation. What comes to mind, however, is the question of whether those who would say they reject Vatican II truly understand what it is they are rejecting? Is it not in part a rejection of what is the inevitability of change?

During college, our abnormal psychology professor once remarked that paranoia often meets reality half-way. Maybe so, but the point was that half-way is not nearly far enough. This is aside of the present comment to which this is a reply, but I think it would apply to notions of a conspiracy during the implementation of Vatican II.
 
After having spent many years studying the media, that is correct. If we had gone from I Love Lucy to Two and a Half Men overnight, I guarantee there would have been a great outcry. But you don’t desensitize a population to more sin in one step, you do it gradually, over years, over decades.
Perhaps Vatican II should have been more “gradually” convened to counter such sin, such as Trent, which spanned some 17 years under three Popes?

Or having been set in the early 60’s as it was, do you think Vatican II might have been more effective had it started during the Great Depression?
 
The question of the OP is “Why do some people reject Vatican II?” It is a large question, and I do not think it has a single explanation. What comes to mind, however, is the question of whether those who would say they reject Vatican II truly understand what it is they are rejecting? Is it not in part a rejection of what is the inevitability of change?
And the question could be asked whether those who claim to be implementing Vatican II are actually implementing Vatican II at all, or are rather implementing something that is not Vatican II, but a ‘progressive’ agenda not contained in the statements of Vatican II. And if so do they actually realise that what they are implementing is not actually Vatican II? Or do they actually care, just so long as their ‘progressive’ agenda is implemented?

Just call it the ‘Spirit of Vatican II’ and you don’t have to worry about whether or not it conforms with what was actually stated in the documents of Vatican II. If anyone criticises it just throw a ‘spirit of the law versus letter of the law’ line at them, accuse them of being afraid of change and that they just want to live in the past.

Do those who promote the v’progressive’ agenda of the ‘Spirit of Vatican II’ actually care about what was stated in Vatican II? Or are they just using an ecumenical council as a vehicle to promote and implement and altogether different agenda?

And all the while our churches are emptying, our seminaries are empty, Confession lines are almost non-existent, and Catholic children grow up without knowing the basics of their faith. Is it just a coincidence that all this has happened over the last 50 years since the ‘Spirit of Vatican II’ agenda got its claws into the Church? “Wherefore by their fruits you shall know them”.
 
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