Why do some people think that Science is the only source of knowledge?

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Science is limited to the study of the material world. We’re only able to study what we are allowed to study, nothing more. Why do people insist that science is the be all end all of knowledge and information? Why is belief in God allegedly incompatible with Science?
 
Science is limited to the study of the material world. We’re only able to study what we are allowed to study, nothing more. Why do people insist that science is the be all end all of knowledge and information? Why is belief in God allegedly incompatible with Science?
They choose to believe it. They fail to realize that they have painted themselves into a corner, by not considering the supernatural, but will come up with far fetched stuff like multiverses as an escape.

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  1. Science as religion
  2. Science as credulity
  3. Science as power
 
Science is limited to the study of the material world. We’re only able to study what we are allowed to study, nothing more. Why do people insist that science is the be all end all of knowledge and information? Why is belief in God allegedly incompatible with Science?
which people are you talking about?
 
which people are you talking about?
A majority of atheists. They usually claim that the evidence for God should be evidence on the level of what can be studied by science – ‘philosophical arguments ain’t no good’.

Notwithstanding the fact that this epistemological stance is, in fact, a philosophical choice. Even people who deride philosophy practice it nonetheless – there is no way around it. As someone once said, people who dismiss philosophy end up practicing not no philosophy, but bad philosophy.
 
Science operates under material methodologies that produce consistent results about material causality. It gained a lot of credibility because, unlike the unresolvable religious pluralism caused by the Protestant Reformation, it was fruitful.

The (false) inference has been that knowledge can therefore only be acquired through such methodologies.
 
A majority of atheists. They usually claim that the evidence for God should be evidence on the level of what can be studied by science – ‘philosophical arguments ain’t no good’.

Notwithstanding the fact that this epistemological stance is, in fact, a philosophical choice. Even people who deride philosophy practice it nonetheless – there is no way around it. As someone once said, people who dismiss philosophy end up practicing no philosophy, but bad philosophy.
with an OP as argumentative as this, its hard to know exactly what he or she is asking (or, rather asserting). I see two questions, the first:
Why do people insist that science is the be all end all of knowledge and information?
perhaps the OP could give specific examples of these people are, and given the tone of the question, explain what “science” means in this context…
 
Science is limited to the study of the material world. We’re only able to study what we are allowed to study, nothing more. Why do people insist that science is the be all end all of knowledge and information? Why is belief in God allegedly incompatible with Science?
Here is a bit from an article by Edward Feser that is quite illuminating:

edwardfeser.blogspot.com/2011/11/reading-rosenberg-part-ii.html

Quoting Rosenberg:
*And it’s not just the correctness of the predictions and the reliability of technology that requires us to place our confidence in physics’ description of reality. Because physics’ predictions are so accurate, the methods that produced the description must be equally reliable. Otherwise, our technological powers would be a miracle. We have the best of reasons to believe that the methods of physics – combining controlled experiment and careful observation with mainly mathematical requirements on the shape theories can take – are the right ones for acquiring all knowledge. Carving out some area of “inquiry” or “belief” as exempt from exploration by the methods of physics is special pleading or self-deception. * (p. 24)

*The phenomenal accuracy of its prediction, the unimaginable power of its technological application, and the breathtaking extent and detail of its explanations are powerful reasons to believe that physics is the whole truth about reality. *(p. 25)

Rosenberg’s argument, then, is essentially this:
  1. The predictive power and technological applications of physics are unparalleled by those of any other purported source of knowledge.
  2. Therefore what physics reveals to us is all that is real.
How bad is this argument? About as bad as this one:
  1. Metal detectors have had far greater success in finding coins and other metallic objects in more places than any other method has.
  2. Therefore what metal detectors reveal to us (coins and other metallic objects) is all that is real.
Metal detectors are keyed to those aspects of the natural world susceptible of detection via electromagnetic means (or whatever). But however well they perform this task – indeed, even if they succeeded on every single occasion they were deployed – it simply wouldn’t follow for a moment that there are no aspects of the natural world other than the ones they are sensitive to. Similarly, what physics does – and there is no doubt that it does it brilliantly – is to capture those aspects of the natural world susceptible of the mathematical modeling that makes precise prediction and technological application possible. But here too, it simply doesn’t follow for a moment that there are no other aspects of the natural world.

Those who reject Rosenberg’s scientism, then, are not guilty of “special pleading or self-deception,” Rosenberg’s condescending bluster notwithstanding. Rather, they are (unlike Rosenberg) simply capable of recognizing a brazen non sequitur when they see it. Unfortunately, condescending bluster is all Rosenberg ever offers in addition to his favorite non sequitur. Here’s some more of it:

*“Scientism” is the pejorative label given to our positive view by those who really want to have their theistic cake and dine at the table of science’s bounties, too. Opponents of scientism would never charge their cardiologists or auto mechanics or software engineers with “scientism” when their health, travel plans, or Web surfing are in danger. But just try subjecting their nonscientific mores and norms, their music or metaphysics, their literary theories or politics to scientific scrutiny. The immediate response of outraged humane letters is “scientism.” *(p. 6)

According to Rosenberg, then, unless you agree that science is the only genuine source of knowledge, you cannot consistently believe that it gives us any genuine knowledge. This is about as plausible as saying that unless you think metal detectors alone can detect physical objects, then you cannot consistently believe that they detect any physical objects at all. Perhaps someone who thinks that metal detectors give us exhaustive knowledge of the world could write up a Metallicist’s Guide to Reality and “argue” as follows:

“Metallicism” is the pejorative label given to our positive view by those who really want to have their stone, water, wood, and plastic cakes and dine at the table of metallic bounties, too. Opponents of metallicism would never charge their metal detector-owning friends with “metallicism” when they need help finding lost car keys or loose change in the sofa. But just try subjecting their nonmetallic mores and norms, their music or metaphysics, their literary theories or politics to metallurgical scrutiny. The immediate response of outraged humane letters is “metallicism.”

Of course, “metallicism” is preposterous. But so is Rosenberg’s scientism.

Those beholden to scientism are bound to protest that the analogy is no good, on the grounds that metal detectors detect only part of reality while physics detects the whole of it. But such a reply would simply beg the question once again, for whether physics really does describe the whole of reality is precisely what is at issue.

(End quote from the article.)

Pay attention to Feser’s last paragraph, it is crucial.
 
Some people think spiritual reality doesn’t exist because it cannot be detected with a scientific instrument!
 
Science is limited to the study of the material world. We’re only able to study what we are allowed to study, nothing more. Why do people insist that science is the be all end all of knowledge and information? Why is belief in God allegedly incompatible with Science?
A number of leading scientists don’t believe and a handful have written books railing against a being they obviously believe is mythical and religion in general, but Christianity in particular. My conclusion, after reading one study published in Nature, is that their work has compelled them to come to the conclusion that everything works by itself. Certain “laws” exist and science has the job of describing those laws. The Church is supposed to be neutral at best and a nuisance and a troublemaker at worst whenever it comments on/impedes scientific research. So the friction is created.

Peace,
Ed
 
Science is limited to the study of the material world. We’re only able to study what we are allowed to study, nothing more. Why do people insist that science is the be all end all of knowledge and information? Why is belief in God allegedly incompatible with Science?
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Some folks only believe in what they can see or observe.
And tend to limit their horizons to their comfort level.

Science makes no claim on a person. It laws cannot be broken whatever a person’s will.
God asks people to love Him and one another. His laws can be broken via free will.

Science wouldn’t know if you loved “it”. “IT” exists. People die.
God knows everything. Exists forever. CAN reward (or punish). People die. But then are judged (unto eternal rewards or punishment).

Emotionally it is easier to deal with something you can control … than that which is greater .
What science REALLY is – is a collection of man’s learning about things God has created.
Science is ongoing. And sometimes finds previous presumptions were wrong based on new data (which hopefully doesn’t also prove to be deficient in some manner).

“Science” is the “smart thing to say” socially to explain why one doesn’t believe in God. As long as one’s audience lets things drop at that point. It COULD be honest … as in the case of St. Thomas …
John 20:24 Thomas, called Didymus, one of the Twelve, was not with them when Jesus came.
25 So the other disciples said to him, “We have seen the Lord.” But he said to them, “Unless I see the mark of the nails in his hands and put my finger into the nailmarks and put my hand into his side, I will not believe.”
26 Now a week later his disciples were again inside and Thomas was with them. Jesus came, although the doors were locked, and stood in their midst and said, “Peace be with you.”
27 Then he said to Thomas, “Put your finger here and see my hands, and bring your hand and put it into my side, and do not be unbelieving, but believe.”
17 Thomas answered and said to him, “My Lord and my God!”
Or the invocation of “Science” or “Common Sense” or “I’m an Atheist” proclamation may be a deception … even unto self-deception (per St. Paul’s revelation that some justify their sins conveniently though they know the truth of God’s existence and justice):
Romans 1:16 For I am not ashamed of the gospel. It is the power of God for the salvation of everyone who believes: for Jew first, and then Greek.
17 For in it is revealed the righteousness of God from faith to faith; 11 as it is written, “The one who is righteous by faith will live.”
18 The wrath of God is indeed being revealed from heaven against every impiety and wickedness of those who suppress the truth by their wickedness.
19 For what can be known about God is evident to them, because God made it evident to them.
20 Ever since the creation of the world, his invisible attributes of eternal power and divinity have been able to be understood and perceived in what he has made. As a result, they have no excuse;
21 for although they knew God they did not accord him glory as God or give him thanks. Instead, they became vain in their reasoning, and their senseless minds were darkened.
22 While claiming to be wise, they became fools
(colors, bolding, etc. my emphasis).

Belief in God is NOT incompatable with Science.

Maybe junk science though. :hmmm:
 
Some people think spiritual reality doesn’t exist because it cannot be detected with a scientific instrument!
I get your point, but it may be interesting to note that radio waves are real and they can be viewed as being spirit-like. They can be easily detected. I often wondered if our spirituality was based on a special class of waves. Look at cell phones and how waves are used in their operation. Like there being 7 billion people in the world, each with their own special spirituality, each cell phone can receive its own waves. Could be that we simply did not yet invent an instrument that can detect spirits.
 
Those beholden to scientism are bound to protest that the analogy is no good, on the grounds that metal detectors detect only part of reality while physics detects the whole of it. But such a reply would simply beg the question once again, for whether physics really does describe the whole of reality is precisely what is at issue.
The analogy is really rubbish, for the reason presented. The presented “question begging” is just another red herring.

No one actually argues that we already discovered the “whole” reality. No scientist worthy of his “salt” would ever claim that we already know everything there is, that the realm of knowledge is now “closed”. What they properly say that the “scientific epistemological method” - in its broadest sense(!) - observation, hypothesis forming, prediction making, verification - is the only method which can get knowledge about the objective reality, whatever its nature might be.

Just for the fun, let’s suppose that they are wrong. What else is there? How else can one find out if a proposition is true or false?

If someone wishes to postulate a hypothesis that there is some non-physical reality, then it is their job to present an epistemological method to discover, scrutinize, and prove that their hypothesis is worth to be taken seriously. Whatever their suggested epistemological method might be, it must conform with the principles of the only epistemological method: it must be able to present a way to separate the wheat from the chaff, (to decide if a proposition is true or false) and this method must be objective, repeatable and verifiable.

No proponent of this “alternate” reality ever came up with an objective method to support their hypotheses. Mostly they say that that their proposition is “properly basic”, that their ideas (which are always some variant of the Christian God) must be accepted as axioms. Even those who do not choose that ridiculous approach cannot present an epistemological method. All they can present is “revelations”, and appeal to some (self-proclaimed) authority.

It is perfectly legitimate (and even commendable) to point out that we have not discovered “everything” yet, and add that most probably we shall never be able to discover “everything”. That is not a problem. The problem is the lack of an objective epistemological method for the alleged “alternate” reality.

Of course, there is another aspect of reality, the **subjective **one. Some people find a piece of art beautiful, others do not. Some people find Wagner’s music great, others disagree. These are subjective assessments. There is no “right” or “wrong” way to decide if a joke is funny or not. Therefore there is no “scientific” epistemological method to decide such questions. And no one asserts that science will eventually come up with an objective method to find out if “tall, blond, blue-eyed, 36-24-36” ladies are the epitome of beauty, or not.

As such the opponents of “scientism” don’t even know what they are talking about. they love to bark up on the wrong tree. They create a straw-man, and burn it to the ground. Yes, they are pathetic.
 
Science is limited to the study of the material world. We’re only able to study what we are allowed to study, nothing more. Why do people insist that science is the be all end all of knowledge and information? Why is belief in God allegedly incompatible with Science?
What else is there? What other methodology is there besides science?
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Steinway:
And science can be used to prove the existence of God:
Eh.
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Tyrion:
Just for the fun, let’s suppose that they are wrong. What else is there? How else can one find out if a proposition is true or false?
That’s what I’m wondering. What else is there?
 
It is with some degree of wry irony that the forbidden tree in the latin is referred to as “scientiae boni et mali”. The English word Science is descended from scientiae.

Science in the end is knowledge.

Thus a certain recursive nature to thinking that knowledge is the only source of knowledge :).

Of course one could also say the science of good is good but the science of evil, of mali, is what we fear and oppose.
 
Science in the end is knowledge.
Scientia means knowledge, but the claim is not that scientia is the only knowledge, but that the only knowledge is that which is obtained through the methodologies of the modern specialized sciences.
 
Scientia means knowledge, but the claim is not that scientia is the only knowledge, but that the only knowledge is that which is obtained through the methodologies of the modern specialized sciences.
That is of course true.
 
The analogy is really rubbish, for the reason presented. The presented “question begging” is just another red herring.
Obviously, you don’t get the point. The remainder of your post is just a long elaboration of yours on not getting the point.
No one actually argues that we already discovered the “whole” reality. No scientist worthy of his “salt” would ever claim that we already know everything there is, that the realm of knowledge is now “closed”. What they properly say that the “scientific epistemological method” - in its broadest sense(!) - observation, hypothesis forming, prediction making, verification - is the only method which can get knowledge about the objective reality, whatever its nature might be.
No, not scientists in general say that, only scientists under the spell of scientism, which is precisely what you just described. The qualifier ‘in the broadest sense’ is no remedy, since then the contentious question arises of what counts as ‘observation’ and what counts as objective ‘verification’. There are plenty of scientists who believe there are aspects of objective reality that we can probe neither with the tools of science nor with a broader “scientific epistemological method” as you call it (if we make it very broad, we would call it metaphysics, but you apparently despise that one – so it can’t be too broad, can it? ;)).
As such the opponents of “scientism” don’t even know what they are talking about. they love to bark up on the wrong tree. They create a straw-man, and burn it to the ground. Yes, they are pathetic.
And your very post confirms that it is not a straw-man at all. But obviously, you are blissfully unaware of this. Quite remarkable, I must say.
 
The qualifier ‘in the broadest sense’ is no remedy, since then the contentious question arises of what counts as ‘observation’ and what counts as objective ‘verification’.
You might counter that objective verification should be one that is in some way (physically) measurable. But that would lead us precisely again to – scientism.
 
I get your point, but it may be interesting to note that radio waves are real and they can be viewed as being spirit-like. They can be easily detected. I often wondered if our spirituality was based on a special class of waves. Look at cell phones and how waves are used in their operation. Like there being 7 billion people in the world, each with their own special spirituality, each cell phone can receive its own waves. Could be that we simply did not yet invent an instrument that can detect spirits.
Well, according to physics, any such spirtual waves would have energy, and could thus be detected by experiments that look at conservation of energy.
 
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