Why do some Protestant/Reformed Christians have such a problem with the "non-bibical" elements of Gibson's Passion movie?

[ConvertHereYay]

One example:
Veronica’s vale.

It’s in the movie and one of the 14 stations of the cross. I read some reviews by Protestants of the movie and they are so hard on this part of the movie. Why? It’s not Catholic doctrine. It’s tradition (small t). True, it’s not in the Bible, but that shouldn’t really matter.

The Bible also doesn’t state:

1.) What age people should be baptized
2.) How Christian weddings should be conducted

etc, etc

There’s no need to fret about Veronica’s vale. It’s not doctrine. It’s not part of the Deposit of Faith.

 

[spencer2]

it’s funny that the protestants make those “non-biblical” comments, afterall our church wrote the bible. mr luther just decided he wanted to remove a few books.

 

[prodigalson12]

There were many, many discrepancies about the movie that aren’t supported with anything biblicaly accurate as well, you don’t hear anything about those, some of which really watered down the original message. I feel it had merit, but too many account to it as being just like the real account, it’s clearly not, it’s far too watered down.

 

[oldsinnner]

Even the Catholic church had some problems with the movie. Gibson adapted much of it from the book ‘The Dolorous Passion of Our Lord Jesus Christ’ which are the visions of Anne Catherine Emmerich.
wikipedia:

In 2003 actor Mel Gibson, himself a traditionalist Catholic, brought Anne Catherine Emmerich’s vision to prominence again as he used the Dolorous Passion as an additional source for his movie The Passion of the Christ. Both Gibson’s movie and Emmerich’s Dolorous Passion have been criticized as antisemitic by the Anti-Defamation League.[2] Some liberal Catholics[who?] have suggested that the movie’s depiction of Jews conflicts with current political guidelines on Catholic-Jewish relations. Emmerich’s defenders have argued that Clement Brentano, who “transcribed and elaborated”[cite this quote] Emmerich’s visions into written form, may have embellished them with his own additions. Under this line of reasoning, the Vatican disregarded the Dolorous Passion completely when considering Emmerich’s beatification.[3] However, the Vatican does not discount the writings of Emmerich. On the contrary it regards and promotes them as the following quote from the Vatican’s online biography of Emmerich shows: “Her words, which have reached innumerable people in many languages from her modest room in Dülmen through the writings of Clemens Brentano, are an outstanding proclamation of the gospel in service to salvation right up to the present day”

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anne_Catherine_Emmerich

 

[JonNC]

One example:
Veronica’s vale.

It’s in the movie and one of the 14 stations of the cross. I read some reviews by Protestants of the movie and they are so hard on this part of the movie. Why? It’s not Catholic doctrine. It’s tradition (small t). True, it’s not in the Bible, but that shouldn’t really matter.

The Bible also doesn’t state:

1.) What age people should be baptized
2.) How Christian weddings should be conducted

etc, etc

There’s no need to fret about Veronica’s vale. It’s not doctrine. It’s not part of the Deposit of Faith.

I thought the movie was excellent. But then, I wasn’t parsing words to see if Catholic doctrine was hidden in it somewhere.

Originally posted by spencer2
it’s funny that the protestants make those “non-biblical” comments, afterall our church wrote the bible. mr luther just decided he wanted to remove a few books.

Dr. Luther, in his translation, translated and included all 73 of the books typically found in a western Bible. In addition, he also translated and included The Prayer of Manasses.

Jon

 

[prodigalson12]

I thought the movie was excellent. But then, I wasn’t parsing words to see if Catholic doctrine was hidden in it somewhere.

Dr. Luther, in his translation, translated and included all 73 of the books typically found in a western Bible. In addition, he also translated and included The Prayer of Manasses.

Jon

Then it would be well of you to promote all 73 of them to the other protestants as well. When ever I tell people to get a Catholic bible, and they are embedded with a denomination, they refuse. You are totally correct about Luther, as well as he also renovated Mary, and he also held to the utmost many, many mainstream Catholic dogma’s. If he were alive today, he would very much be pulling the reigns back to where they were.

 

[Roman_Catholic_1]

You are totally correct about Luther, as well as he also renovated Mary.

He did?

Lets not turn this into a Lutheran (or Luther) bashing thread. Remember; the Fundamentalists are the bad guys here.

God bless you

 

[Lutheranteach]

it’s funny that the protestants make those “non-biblical” comments, afterall our church wrote the bible. mr luther just decided he wanted to remove a few books.

Sigh…Luther’s Bible has all the books.

 

[prodigalson12]

If you talked to Luther, person to person now, in person, he would have the highest praises about our blessed Mother, he had some issues with the church, instead of simple protest within the system, he went his own way, he very much was a hard core Catholic by nature, understand this folks, anything that stays away from it is not in the heart and soul of what he wanted. Time to come home guys, otherwise you protest the protestants themselves, and we all know where that goes…to the world…

 

[JonNC]

Then it would be well of you to promote all 73 of them to the other protestants as well. When ever I tell people to get a Catholic bible, and they are embedded with a denomination, they refuse.

YOu aim your criticism at exactly the right place, and American Lutherans need to rethink this. I don’t believe Luther would have had a Bible without the D-C’s.

You are totally correct about Luther, as well as he also renovated Mary, and he also held to the utmost many, many mainstream Catholic dogma’s. If he were alive today, he would very much be pulling the reigns back to where they were

I agree.

Jon

 

[JonNC]

If you talked to Luther, person to person now, in person, he would have the highest praises about our blessed Mother, he had some issues with the church, instead of simple protest within the system, he went his own way, he very much was a hard core Catholic by nature, understand this folks, anything that stays away from it is not in the heart and soul of what he wanted. Time to come home guys, otherwise you protest the protestants themselves, and we all know where that goes…to the world…

It isn’t as easy as you describe, my friend. Luther did not simply turn and walk away. The events that led to the Lutheran Reformation have the marks of sinful men from both sides all over them. Rome shared a guilt in this, as the CCC states.

I think that, equal with the Anglicans, Lutherans have worked harder than most to dialogue in Christian charity and humility for reconciliation. Pray for the day.

Jon

 

[prodigalson12]

I totally agree brother, it started with one thing, and now, we have another all together, and too much of the debate that goes on this day, is relevant to the other, and not all to the present.

We are brothers in Christ, bottom line and you and I are forging ground that needs to be done, and areas the Holy Spirit “Christ in this world” is urging us onto.

 

[WetCatechumen]

One example:
Veronica’s vale.

It’s in the movie and one of the 14 stations of the cross. I read some reviews by Protestants of the movie and they are so hard on this part of the movie. Why? It’s not Catholic doctrine. It’s tradition (small t). True, it’s not in the Bible, but that shouldn’t really matter.

The Bible also doesn’t state:

1.) What age people should be baptized
2.) How Christian weddings should be conducted

etc, etc

There’s no need to fret about Veronica’s vale. It’s not doctrine. It’s not part of the Deposit of Faith.

I don’t know. My girlfriend attends Mars Hill, Mark Driscoll’s church and in promoting their production of the Passion, he said that it was more historically accurate.

His church’s production, while it was okay, does not compare to the historical accuracy of Gibson’s film. It was absurd that he tried to claim that. He only meant that it wasn’t based on the Stations of the Cross. He’s incredibly ignorant of the Catholic Faith - I guess that’s why he left it. He thinks we teach that the Theotokos was conceived without Joachim and Anna having sex.

I think that the Fundamentalist knee-jerk reaction to it is related to sola scriptura. Of course, you still see them meeting on Sundays.

 

[prodigalson12]

I don’t know. My girlfriend attends Mars Hill, Mark Driscoll’s church and in promoting their production of the Passion, he said that it was more historically accurate.

His church’s production, while it was okay, does not compare to the historical accuracy of Gibson’s film. It was absurd that he tried to claim that. He only meant that it wasn’t based on the Stations of the Cross. He’s incredibly ignorant of the Catholic Faith - I guess that’s why he left it. He thinks we teach that the Theotokos was conceived without Joachim and Anna having sex.

I think that the Fundamentalist knee-jerk reaction to it is related to sola scriptura. Of course, you still see them meeting on Sundays.

Historical accuracy in it’s absolutes pales in comparison to what he actually experienced, not even close even if you were there in person yourself observing it all, and this is to say, at that stage, the gore would make horror movie fans turn away squeamishly…the inner pain and suffering he endured was so much farther then the physical, the physical was just nothing in comparison. Mel was showing this for entertainment, it was not at all what our dear Lord endured at Calvary, just at best an indication to an imprint to it all.

 

[Auriel]

I never knew there was any debate over it until I came here. Which is what prompted me to see it. That was less than 2 yrs ago, a little later than most.

I will say though I enjoyed some of the threads that were less serious. One was full of satire about what not to tell a Protestant. Turns out some of you guys do have a sense of humor about the differences.

As for the horror movie comment, I am a huge fan of the genre of horror and nothing scares me.

But you go into a horror movie knowing it isn’t real. As for The Passion, seeing all that blood had a different affect.

 

[Nicea325]

There were many, many discrepancies about the movie that aren’t supported with anything biblicaly accurate as well, you don’t hear anything about those, some of which really watered down the original message. I feel it had merit, but too many account to it as being just like the real account, it’s clearly not, it’s far too watered down.

True,but they movie was not geared toward accuracy,but moreover, on the message. It is rare to find a move which is backed up historical accuracy. Case in point, the movie Gladiator the Roman Emperor Marcus Aurelius gives the reigns to his top general (Maximus) instead of his own son Commodus. Historically speaking Commodus was given the reigns by his father.

 

[wmscott]

I guess I am the odd one here. It took me and my wife a few weeks to get the nerve to go and see the movie. Not out of fear, but out of respect for what we were going to witness. Witness something that has not happened in 2000 years. For it to be the Passion of or Lord was a humbling experience. But I guess I am weird that way. I did not try to dissect it to find fault in it.