Why do some Protestants spread lies about the Catholic Church?

[Mannyfit75]

Please note, that this does not pertain to all Protestants. I do like to note that there are some Protestants who spread lies against the Catholic Church. I never understand why the speak lies as if they are true about the Catholic Church.

One example, is that the Catholic Church never existed until 325 AD.

There are others list that many Former Protestant turn Catholic might know.

These lies are contrary to Teachings of Jesus Christ.

 

[YinYangMom]

Mannyfit,

Do not presume to know the intention of others.
Protestants do not spread lies about the Catholic Church.
As far as they know, as far as they comprehend, as far as they understand and as far as they believe the statements they put forth about the Catholic Church are true.

They can’t possibly answer your question as it is posed because the question itself is errant.

Remember always, “Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do”.

When it comes to our Christian brothers, we must always remember how much they love the Lord and how sincere they are in their ministries. Continue to pray for them to receive guidance from the Holy Spirit that their eyes, ears and hearts may be opened to the complete Truth.

 

[scylla]

I agree with the above poster, most people who spread lies about the Catholic Church think that the people telling them these lies are telling them truth.

The reason why the lies exist is, the only way to disagree with the Catholic Church is to believe lies. As the Catholic Church is perfect a lie has to be invented to disagree.

Of course the people in the Catholic Church help people believe the lies as we have plenty of crummy people in the Catholic Church, no matter if it is perfect we have always had bad examples starting with Judas.

In Christ
Scylla

 

[rr1213]

Why do some Catholics spread lies about Protestants?

Answer this question and you’ll have the answer to your question. Hint: (see below).

ANSWER: Because human being are an entwined mess of sin, corruption, self-interest and apathy. Corollary: Catholics and Protestants are human beings.

ULTIMATE ANSWER: Be renewed in Christ and be perfect as your Father in Heaven is perfect.

 

[Mannyfit75]

Why do some Catholics spread lies about Protestants?

Answer this question and you’ll have the answer to your question. Hint: (see below).

This isn’t about Catholics spreading lies, if you want to make a thread about that then do so.

This is about Protestants spreading the lies about the Catholic Church.

ANSWER: Because human being are an entwined mess of sin, corruption, self-interest and apathy. Corollary: Catholics and Protestants are human beings.

ULTIMATE ANSWER: Be renewed in Christ and be perfect as your Father in Heaven is perfect.

 

[estesbob]

Please note, that this does not pertain to all Protestants. I do like to note that there are some Protestants who spread lies against the Catholic Church. I never understand why the speak lies as if they are true about the Catholic Church.

One example, is that the Catholic Church never existed until 325 AD.

There are others list that many Former Protestant turn Catholic might know.

These lies are contrary to Teachings of Jesus Christ.

They have a Church and beliefs that did not exist until 1,500 years after the Death of Christ, The only way they can rationalize this is to try and destroy the credibilitly of the Church that has existed all along.

 

[ALLFORHIM]

Well,

I agree with some of the posts so far.

I would say it all depends on the tone and motives of the person who is talking about the CC. As you guys know, I dont agree with teachings of the CC. So because I say I dont think you are correct in some teachings-----am I spreading lies? No, what I am saying is that this is what the CC teaches and I dont think it is correct. There is a difference.

Now if I were to go around saying that the CC is evil and the whore of babylon—well then that is malicious and spreading lies.

RR is right both sides do it human sin

Just my:twocents:

 

[rr1213]

They have a Church and beliefs that did not exist until 1,500 years after the Death of Christ, The only way they can rationalize this is to try and destroy the credibilitly of the Church that has existed all along.

Yeah! It’s a conspiracy!

 

[ALLFORHIM]

Yeah! It’s a conspiracy!

SHHHH!! Dont tell them!!! LOL

 

[Cat]

A lot of Protestants really don’t know very much about their own faith, let alone anyone else’s. So it’s no wonder that they “spread lies.” They don’t realize they’re lies.

I have read several articles in Protestant magazines, and heard speakers bewailing the woeful state of “catechesis” of Protestants in the last decade.

Just this Saturday, we were listening to Ray Comfort, a very energetic evangelical preacher, on the radio. He did a “ray-walking” segement (not sure if that was the official name, but you get the idea) where he asked various Protestants how someone is saved–most had no idea and could only give very incoherent answers involving reading the Bible and praying.

When it comes to history or theology, most Protestants know next to nothing.

The reason for this in recent years is because churches, in an effort to attract people, have become more and more “needs-based.” I attended a Protestant seminar about this in the early 1990s. The idea is make sure that the sermons are about “needs” rather than “doctrine.”

So a pastor will do a series on “Secrets to a Happy Marriage,” or “How to Honor Your Elderly Parents” or “Christian Money Management.” Same for Women’s Bible studies, youth groups, and even children’s classes.

Nothing can be “boring” or people might leave and go to the new, exciting megachurch down the road.

You don’t hear too many sermon series orBible studies on “Salvation Doctrines” or “The Theology of Justification.”

Every once in a while, you’ll see a “Survey of the Bible” series, but not often anymore.

Some sermon series or Bible studies SOUND theological–e.g., “Knowing God.” But they turn out to be very “fluffy,” with a lot of talk about reading the Bible and praying. No theology of the Trinity or the various Names of Jesus.

You DO see sermons and Bible studies about the Holy Spirit in Pentecostal churches.

Another reason for this ignorance is the de-emphasis of “denominations.” When I was younger, our churches required study and agreement with the church Statement of Faith in order to join. Now a lot of churches really down-play “church membership.” So many people are afraid to commit, and churches don’t want to frighten these people away.

A third reason is that Bible study teachers and popular Christian authors tend to be more “entertaining” than theological. I can remember reading some pretty heavy “tomes” when I was just a teenager, because there weren’t a lot of the “fun” authors. But now, if a Bible study is published, chances are good that it will be pretty basic. If you want heavier theology, you have to go to a college.

Too bad–this kind of theology used to be the norm for Protestants in their Sunday school classes.

Finally, Protestants, like everyone else (Catholics, too), simply don’t spend that much time in personal devotions–Bible reading and prayer. There’s so much else going on in our busy lives.

I remember being shocked a few years ago when a large Protestant forum that I was part of did a poll asking, “Have you ever read the Bible through?”

Less than 5% had read their Bibles all the way through. I can remember when I was a kid, we all read through the entire Bible. It was what you did if you were a Christian! We also had to memorize chunks of Scripture to earn those little “Bible” stickers!

Nowadays, I think most Protestants know a few dozen verses really well, and that’s about it. And most would fail a basic test on theology of their denomination.

So it’s really easy for the loudest and most captivating Protestant speaker to capture everyone’s attention and convince them that he or she is telling “the truth.” And then they pass along the “untruth” that they were taught.

Please allow me to say this, though. I don’t think most rank-and-file Protestants (those who are NOT making a living preaching, teaching, or writing about God) knowingly pass along any lies about the Catholic Church or about anything. I think most Protestants in the streets, if corrected, will apologize and in the future, will make sure to pass along the truth rather than a lie.

 

[rr1213]

A lot of Protestants really don’t know very much about their own faith, let alone anyone else’s. So it’s no wonder that they “spread lies.” They don’t realize they’re lies.

I have read several articles in Protestant magazines, and heard speakers bewailing the woeful state of “catechesis” of Protestants in the last decade.

Just this Saturday, we were listening to Ray Comfort, a very energetic evangelical preacher, on the radio. He did a “ray-walking” segement (not sure if that was the official name, but you get the idea) where he asked various Protestants how someone is saved–most had no idea and could only give very incoherent answers involving reading the Bible and praying.

When it comes to history or theology, most Protestants know next to nothing.

The reason for this in recent years is because churches, in an effort to attract people, have become more and more “needs-based.” I attended a Protestant seminar about this in the early 1990s. The idea is make sure that the sermons are about “needs” rather than “doctrine.”

So a pastor will do a series on “Secrets to a Happy Marriage,” or “How to Honor Your Elderly Parents” or “Christian Money Management.” Same for Women’s Bible studies, youth groups, and even children’s classes.

Nothing can be “boring” or people might leave and go to the new, exciting megachurch down the road.

You don’t hear too many sermon series orBible studies on “Salvation Doctrines” or “The Theology of Justification.”

Every once in a while, you’ll see a “Survey of the Bible” series, but not often anymore.

Some sermon series or Bible studies SOUND theological–e.g., “Knowing God.” But they turn out to be very “fluffy,” with a lot of talk about reading the Bible and praying. No theology of the Trinity or the various Names of Jesus.

You DO see sermons and Bible studies about the Holy Spirit in Pentecostal churches.

Another reason for this ignorance is the de-emphasis of “denominations.” When I was younger, our churches required study and agreement with the church Statement of Faith in order to join. Now a lot of churches really down-play “church membership.” So many people are afraid to commit, and churches don’t want to frighten these people away.

A third reason is that Bible study teachers and popular Christian authors tend to be more “entertaining” than theological. I can remember reading some pretty heavy “tomes” when I was just a teenager, because there weren’t a lot of the “fun” authors. But now, if a Bible study is published, chances are good that it will be pretty basic. If you want heavier theology, you have to go to a college.

Too bad–this kind of theology used to be the norm for Protestants in their Sunday school classes.

Finally, Protestants, like everyone else (Catholics, too), simply don’t spend that much time in personal devotions–Bible reading and prayer. There’s so much else going on in our busy lives.

I remember being shocked a few years ago when a large Protestant forum that I was part of did a poll asking, “Have you ever read the Bible through?”

Less than 5% had read their Bibles all the way through. I can remember when I was a kid, we all read through the entire Bible. It was what you did if you were a Christian! We also had to memorize chunks of Scripture to earn those little “Bible” stickers!

Nowadays, I think most Protestants know a few dozen verses really well, and that’s about it. And most would fail a basic test on theology of their denomination.

So it’s really easy for the loudest and most captivating Protestant speaker to capture everyone’s attention and convince them that he or she is telling “the truth.” And then they pass along the “untruth” that they were taught.

Please allow me to say this, though. I don’t think most rank-and-file Protestants (those who are NOT making a living preaching, teaching, or writing about God) knowingly pass along any lies about the Catholic Church or about anything. I think most Protestants in the streets, if corrected, will apologize and in the future, will make sure to pass along the truth rather than a lie.

All I can say is that you must have hung around with the wrong set of Protestants. I knew an awful lot of folks in the Methodist, Presybterian, Episcopal, and Lutheran Churches who knew their scripture quite well, thank you. Some were also pretty well versed in history and theology as well. When I attend Catholic Churches I get no sense that those folks are any better educated or knowledgable than the people I’ve known over the years on the other side of the fence.

 

[Della]

I was involved in a writers group for a short time in which I was one of two Catholics. The other Catholic was the sort who didn’t really know why he believed what he believed and so no one bothered to ask him any questions about the Catholic faith.

But, as time went by we got to know each other well enough to talk about religion. Two of the gals were Evangelicals and had a lot of questions about the Catholic faith for me. One day we went through various topics with them asking me the kind of questions I would expect them to have. I was happy to correct their misconceptions and even allay some of their fears about Catholicism. Neither one was ready to convert, but at least they will know better when they here misinformation about Catholicism within their own Christian circles.

And, of course, that’s one of the reasons this website exists–to help non-Catholics understand the Catholic faith. The aim being to help them see what the Church truly is so that even if they don’t decide to enter it, they will at least not go on believing things about it that aren’t true.

Having written all that (are you still with me, people), there are a very few Protestants who knowingly spread falsities about the Catholic faith. Unfortunately, even if they are few, they have a great deal of influence in their own denominations, and so perpetuate misunderstandings and outright untruths. I cannot judge their motivations, but it saddens me as a Catholic and makes me fear for them at the judgment as a fellow Christian.

 

[PC_Master]

Unfortunately, as a former Baptist (but still basically protestant), I knew a great many who were at basically an infancy level of spiritual maturity. Those who appeared to know more (such as many baptist preachers) were just spouting the dogma they were taught in seminary. The problem is, I know a great many Catholics who do the exact same thing!

I have seen a few from many denominations who really know their stuff and genuinely believe in certain doctrine and dogma. They have a little more than the standard dogmatic arguments, and some even genuinely want to see the truth.

Believe it or not, most people don’t intentionally spread lies. To lie is to intentionally tell something that isn’t truth as though it were. For example, I vehemently disagree with Catholics on a variety of issues. As far as I know, every bit that I believe is the truth. I don’t believe in the authority of the Catholic church, etc. I’ve studied this stuff a lot, and certainly believe that I’m only sharing the truth as God has given it to me.

Likewise, I have good Catholic friends, and I’ve seen some of you who debate here, who genuinely believe that Catholic teachings are correct. Whether they are or not, some of you do believe this, and so when you share that information, you aren’t spreading lies – you’re simply misguided in what the truth is.

I believe that truth is objective (not relative, not subjective). Thus, my constant prayer is that God will continue to open my mind more and more, and show me his truth more completely, so that I can better understand it. Likewise, for my friends, and in general for those I debate with, I pray that they too will have their minds opened, so that they can come into a better understanding of the truth of God.

In other words, it is quite possible to be genuine in your beliefs (not deceptive), and yet still be wrong. This is simple necessity – there are protestants and Catholics who both believe genuinely, but not both can be right.

Don’t pity protestants, nor be angry with them. There are enthusiastic ones that will get under your skin, because they don’t explain how they came to the understanding they came to. We all have certain pre-conceived notions based on the ideals we were raised with as young children, and these notions make us interpret the facts differently. For some, this leads to atheism. For others, it’s Catholocism, Protestantism, or something else.

The best response you can give is to pray. And don’t just pray that “the eyes of the sinful, ignorant protestants will be opened so they’ll see that your true Church is right”. Instead, pray that those who seek him will find him, that his truth would be made clear to those who seek, and that the minds of all would be opened more fully.

Pray for yourself in this regard as well – remember, you’re human. This means you can make mistakes (just like Protestants can), and this means that the teachings and beliefs that you accept could be wrong (just like Protestants could be wrong).

Most people don’t intentionally spread lies. The problem is that there isn’t a place where God (himself) has written out every detail of truth in a way that we can all understand it.

 

[ALLFORHIM]

Unfortunately, as a former Baptist (but still basically protestant), I knew a great many who were at basically an infancy level of spiritual maturity. Those who appeared to know more (such as many baptist preachers) were just spouting the dogma they were taught in seminary. The problem is, I know a great many Catholics who do the exact same thing!

I have seen a few from many denominations who really know their stuff and genuinely believe in certain doctrine and dogma. They have a little more than the standard dogmatic arguments, and some even genuinely want to see the truth.

Believe it or not, most people don’t intentionally spread lies. To lie is to intentionally tell something that isn’t truth as though it were. For example, I vehemently disagree with Catholics on a variety of issues. As far as I know, every bit that I believe is the truth. I don’t believe in the authority of the Catholic church, etc. I’ve studied this stuff a lot, and certainly believe that I’m only sharing the truth as God has given it to me.

Likewise, I have good Catholic friends, and I’ve seen some of you who debate here, who genuinely believe that Catholic teachings are correct. Whether they are or not, some of you do believe this, and so when you share that information, you aren’t spreading lies – you’re simply misguided in what the truth is.

I believe that truth is objective (not relative, not subjective). Thus, my constant prayer is that God will continue to open my mind more and more, and show me his truth more completely, so that I can better understand it. Likewise, for my friends, and in general for those I debate with, I pray that they too will have their minds opened, so that they can come into a better understanding of the truth of God.

In other words, it is quite possible to be genuine in your beliefs (not deceptive), and yet still be wrong. This is simple necessity – there are protestants and Catholics who both believe genuinely, but not both can be right.

Don’t pity protestants, nor be angry with them. There are enthusiastic ones that will get under your skin, because they don’t explain how they came to the understanding they came to. We all have certain pre-conceived notions based on the ideals we were raised with as young children, and these notions make us interpret the facts differently. For some, this leads to atheism. For others, it’s Catholocism, Protestantism, or something else.

The best response you can give is to pray. And don’t just pray that “the eyes of the sinful, ignorant protestants will be opened so they’ll see that your true Church is right”. Instead, pray that those who seek him will find him, that his truth would be made clear to those who seek, and that the minds of all would be opened more fully.

Pray for yourself in this regard as well – remember, you’re human. This means you can make mistakes (just like Protestants can), and this means that the teachings and beliefs that you accept could be wrong (just like Protestants could be wrong).

Most people don’t intentionally spread lies. The problem is that there isn’t a place where God (himself) has written out every detail of truth in a way that we can all understand it.

:clapping: Well put

 

[estesbob]

Most people don’t intentionally spread lies. The problem is that there isn’t a place where God (himself) has written out every detail of truth in a way that we can all understand it.

There is , of course, a place where one can find every detail of Truth as God has handed down. It is contained in the One True church, the Church founded by Jesus oursleves. It is all there for our Sepreated Bretheren to share in. They need only embrace Gods Church.

 

[SyCarl]

In some cases the Protestants may not be acting out of ill will. Protestants are often told if they have questions about what Catholics believe that they should ask a Catholic. Unfortunately the Catholic who is asked may not always know what the Church says and provide incorrect answers, which the Protestant believes because he was told it by a Catholic.
I have given the example of wife in other threads, a cradle Catholic, educated in Catholic schools, altar server etc. It would seem reasonable that if I asked her something about Catholicism I should believe it. But she has told me that the doctrine of purgatory has been abolished and that the Immaculate Conception meant the virgin birth of Jesus. She almost bit my head off when I told her the truth saying how would I know since I wasn’t Catholic.
It would be good for Protestants to ask Catholics about their beliefs but the Church should do more to ensure they know what the Church teaches.

 

[runandsew]

Please note, that this does not pertain to all Protestants. I do like to note that there are some Protestants who spread lies against the Catholic Church. I never understand why the speak lies as if they are true about the Catholic Church.

One example, is that the Catholic Church never existed until 325 AD.

There are others list that many Former Protestant turn Catholic might know.

These lies are contrary to Teachings of Jesus Christ.

They are passing on what they believe to be true.
These things might not be true, but they believe them to be true.

I have heard about a certain Protestant apologist who will argue against the papacy using the argument against the rock referring to Peter, even though he doesn’t believe this point he is using in his arguing.
He uses it as an argument because it is a standard attack against the papacy.

Now in that case, I would venture that he is coming close to lying.

(This is hearsay - I have heard this claim from a Catholic apologist on his CD, and he didn’t mention names)

 

[Cat]

rr1213,
I hang out around evangelical Protestants. Ray Comfort is an evangelical Protestant teacher. The magazines I read are from evangelical denominations or have evangelical ties e.g., Christianity Today

Perhaps the Mainlines are stepping it up a bit education-wise. That’s good.

 

[Gottle_of_Geer]

…Protestants do not spread lies about the Catholic Church.
As far as they know, as far as they comprehend, as far as they understand and as far as they believe the statements they put forth about the Catholic Church are true.

They can’t possibly answer your question as it is posed because the question itself is errant.

Remember always, “Forgive them Father, for they know not what they do”.

When it comes to our Christian brothers, we must always remember how much they love the Lord and how sincere they are in their ministries. Continue to pray for them to receive guidance from the Holy Spirit that their eyes, ears and hearts may be opened to the complete Truth.

Thanks for posting that ​

I think we should pray that God would grant them every grace that they may always do His Will: they are not accountable to us - but to Him

ISTM they have an awful lot of excuse to be anti-Catholic (those who are, that is; many (most ?) are not). Whether they do or not, it is not them, but lies - no matter by whom told - that are evil. What moral difference is there between tired old mis-statements slamming Luther, & tired old mis-statements slamming the Papacy ? Maybe “the enemy” have something to teach their critics - why should that be out of the question ?

Protestants do have better things to do than spend their nights & days meditating on the real or supposed abominations of the Papal Antichrist: strange, but true.

 

[PC_Master]

There is , of course, a place where one can find every detail of Truth as God has handed down. It is contained in the One True church, the Church founded by Jesus oursleves. It is all there for our Sepreated Bretheren to share in. They need only embrace Gods Church.

You guys don’t seem to understand – if I, genuinely and honestly, have studied the Catholic church and believe with all my heart that it isn’t God’s “one true church”, then why would I believe that it has every detail of truth?

What I was referring to is something incontrovertible, or at least a lot closer than Catholic dogma comes.