Why do they disagree with us?

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To say you have not sinned…is a sin.

When Jesus breathed on The Apostles, He said “WHAT SINS YOU FORGIVE ARE FORGIVEN, WHAT SINS YOU RETAIN ARE RETAINED.” this is confession, this is why you do need a priest.
Thank you bella5110 for bringing us back to the original question. For those who believe there is no power in the sacrament of reconciliation and you don’t need a Priest, what does this scripture mean to you? What is the explaination?
 
Which Church made Elizabeth a SAINT, this commandment i have the most trouble with ,“I am the LORD your God who brought you out of the land of Egypt…”
This commandment is to believe in the existence of God, that God exists for all time, that God is the sole creator of all that exists, that God determines the course of events in this world.
“Thou shall have no other gods besides Me… Do not make a sculpted image or any likeness of what is in the heavens above…”
One is required to believe in God and God alone. This prohibits belief in or worship of any additional deities, gods, spirits or incarnations. To deny the uniqueness of God, is to deny all that is written in the Torah. It is also a prohibition against making or possessing objects that one or other may bow down to or serve, including any artistic representations of God or any sculpture of a human being. One must not bow down to or serve any being or object but God.,Catholics call the Pope holy father ,to me there is only one and thats God ,yours michael
Catholic do not WORSHIP any idols or images or saints. BUT we do have images and statues just as the Hebrews had them. The Hebrews made up the Ark of the Covenant and from its description they put images of angels on it. They bowed down before that as well and placed it in a prominent place, BUT they did NOT worship the images or pray to the images, just as we don’t. We ask the saints (including Mary) to pray for us.

All worship and glory is given to God, the Father, and His Son and the Holy Spirit, all of whom we consider to be our God.

So we basically agree with everything you say about worshipping God alone. BUT we totally disagree that we worship any saints or statues or image, we don’t, never have, never will.
 
Catholic do not WORSHIP any idols or images or saints. BUT we do have images and statues just as the Hebrews had them. The Hebrews made up the Ark of the Covenant and from its description they put images of angels on it. They bowed down before that as well and placed it in a prominent place, BUT they did NOT worship the images or pray to the images, just as we don’t. We ask the saints (including Mary) to pray for us.

All worship and glory is given to God, the Father, and His Son and the Holy Spirit, all of whom we consider to be our God.

So we basically agree with everything you say about worshipping God alone. BUT we totally disagree that we worship any saints or statues or image, we don’t, never have, never will.
How many times will we have to repeat this? :rolleyes:
 
To say you have not sinned…is a sin.

When Jesus breathed on The Apostles, He said “WHAT SINS YOU FORGIVE ARE FORGIVEN, WHAT SINS YOU RETAIN ARE RETAINED.” this is confession, this is why you do need a priest.
, I have broke laws in the past ,and I been to jail for things i am innocent of , And I dont respect people just because others do ,or the bible say I have to, For me to respect people they have to earn that right , And if they dont they do not get respected ,like i do not respect my so called parents ,And i am sure God would agree with me , ,yours michael
 
, I have broke laws in the past ,and I been to jail for things i am innocent of , And I dont respect people just because others do ,or the bible say I have to, For me to respect people they have to earn that right , And if they dont they do not get respected ,like i do not respect my so called parents ,And i am sure God would agree with me , ,yours michael
I seriously doubt God agrees with you. First off God tells us to honor our mother and father. Second off, it sounds like you have a heavy chip on your shoulder. When you meet someone for the very first time, do you automatically treat them like dirt ???

Most times, we need to be respectful first and not the other way around. When you go for a job interview do you trash the guys office when you first enter the room, or do you shake the interviewers hand and greet him first ? If you act like a barbarian first no one will ever respect you, but IF you act reasonably, most people will treat you equally well.

Could it possibly be that your parents treat you poorly because you don’t give them the respect that they are do ??? … just a thought.
 
, I have broke laws in the past ,and I been to jail for things i am innocent of , And I dont respect people just because others do ,or the bible say I have to, For me to respect people they have to earn that right , And if they dont they do not get respected ,like i do not respect my so called parents ,And i am sure God would agree with me , ,yours michael
But you said earlier you haven’t broken any of The Ten Commandments…:ehh:

Anyway, we can’t pick our parents. How do your friends “earn that right” of respect from you? Do you merely wait for it? Why so obsessed about respect? Can’t you just chill? Give and you will receive.
 
I seriously doubt God agrees with you. First off God tells us to honor our mother and father. Second off, it sounds like you have a heavy chip on your shoulder. When you meet someone for the very first time, do you automatically treat them like dirt ???

Most times, we need to be respectful first and not the other way around. When you go for a job interview do you trash the guys office when you first enter the room, or do you shake the interviewers hand and greet him first ? If you act like a barbarian first no one will ever respect you, but IF you act reasonably, most people will treat you equally well.

Could it possibly be that your parents treat you poorly because you don’t give them the respect that they are do ??? … just a thought.
First off i dont have a chip on my shoulder ,But it would not be suprising if i had ,Second i have been classed as a Barbarian, but only by my enemys not my friends ,Third this was said of my parents by the Police ,in front of a witness they should be taken out and shot ,but this is taking us away from the questions yours michael
 
First off i dont have a chip on my shoulder ,But it would not be suprising if i had ,Second i have been classed as a Barbarian, but only by my enemys not my friends ,Third this was said of my parents by the Police ,in front of a witness they should be taken out and shot ,but this is taking us away from the questions yours michael
your right, it is taking us away from the questions. Your not alone with your struggle with a difficult past and parents who fell far short of the love of God and your feelings are a very normal reaction. You did however, set yourself up when you said you didn’t break any of the commandments. Even if we did not break commandments in deed, we do in thought. Coming back to my original question, do Protestants believe Christ was God incarnate and if so, why do they not believe she was Mother of God and how do Protestants interpret the scripture ‘to bind and to loose?’
 
How many times will we have to repeat this? :rolleyes:
I suggest you stand outside your religion for a monment ,and see it from my eyes or some one like me, You have loads of things like mugs with the Popes face on , To me thats no different to idolizing so called sport stars or film stars, yours michael
 
I suggest you stand outside your religion for a monment ,and see it from my eyes or some one like me, You have loads of things like mugs with the Popes face on , To me thats no different to idolizing so called sport stars or film stars, yours michael
Your opinion has been noted and as far as I can tell you never have been ordained and the holy spirit did not wait 2000 years for you to show up

Stone Carving of the Ark of Covenant Found in Ruins of Ancient Capernaum
rich carvings, which adorned the synagogue.Above the main entrance carved in the stone are the figures of an eagle and of cupids holding wreaths
catholic-jhb.org.za/tracts/tract_8.htm
 
I suggest you stand outside your religion for a monment ,and see it from my eyes or some one like me, You have loads of things like mugs with the Popes face on , To me thats no different to idolizing so called sport stars or film stars, yours michael
Sorry that makes no sense whatsoever. Whether or not someone buys a mug with the popes face on it is irrelavant. No one is worshipping such images. It is precisely our religion that you have problems with so, you need to examine why we really believe as we do and not continue to follow some hearsay or half truth that you overheard.

When you read your Bible more carefully you will discover that Catholics follow it much more closely than protestants do. For a Christian, you seem to have a lot more anger than one would expect. I don’t doubt that you’ve had a difficult life or that your parents have been less than loving. That’s a shame and hopefully you don’t end up becoming anything like them.

Jesus doesn’t ask us to only treat folks with respect who are respectful to us, He tells us to love our enemies, pray for our enemies, and treat them with kindness. That’s what Christianity is all about, and not just for Catholics.
 
Sorry that makes no sense whatsoever. Whether or not someone buys a mug with the popes face on it is irrelavant. No one is worshipping such images. It is precisely our religion that you have problems with so, you need to examine why we really believe as we do and not continue to follow some hearsay or half truth that you overheard.

When you read your Bible more carefully you will discover that Catholics follow it much more closely than protestants do. For a Christian, you seem to have a lot more anger than one would expect. I don’t doubt that you’ve had a difficult life or that your parents have been less than loving. That’s a shame and hopefully you don’t end up becoming anything like them.

Jesus doesn’t ask us to only treat folks with respect who are respectful to us, He tells us to love our enemies, pray for our enemies, and treat them with kindness. That’s what Christianity is all about, and not just for Catholics.
I AM THE LORD THY GOD, THOU SHALT NOT HAVE strange gods BEFORE ME.

"Idolizing material images to the point they are held in superstition, and as men would suspect, suppose, determine ‘The Creator of All Things’ would be like; such as idols of human form or animal likeness also.

Eliminating the Mystery of a Divine Being that no man can touch, see or feel. Replacing this Mystery with physical means and emphasis put on knowledge and man’s own senses.

Interpreting God to fit a manner, mood and way, making Him humanly understandable rather than Divine."

Pentecostalism - Idolatry - Power - Communism - Atheism - Humanism - Cults

themiracleofstjoseph.org/commands.php
 
I suggest you stand outside your religion for a monment ,and see it from my eyes or some one like me, You have loads of things like mugs with the Popes face on , To me thats no different to idolizing so called sport stars or film stars, yours michael
In response, I was brought up a Jehovah’s wittness and in a staunchly Protestant part of Belfast. I stood outside my religion for a long time so don’t sterotype me. In all the discussion, you have made no reference to the original questions other than that you don’t agree. Have you ever stepped outside what you think? That does not mean you have to agree, it just means you try to understand another persons point of view. I know Protestants don’t agree and I’m not asking them to. I’m asking for another viewpoint on the original question, I already know my own views, better than you. Does Christianity not compell us to love those we disagree with? To live in harmony with them despite our theological diffferences and promote peace? That does not mean you have to agree. We may disagree, but do we not all love the same God and desire to live how he wants us to, which is not about being ‘better’ or ‘better off were we are.’ Those who think it’s ‘better’ or perhaps out of touch with the sufferings of Christ. He did not embark on his ministry because it was better.
 
In response, I was brought up a Jehovah’s wittness and in a staunchly Protestant part of Belfast. I stood outside my religion for a long time so don’t sterotype me. In all the discussion, you have made no reference to the original questions other than that you don’t agree. Have you ever stepped outside what you think? That does not mean you have to agree, it just means you try to understand another persons point of view. I know Protestants don’t agree and I’m not asking them to. I’m asking for another viewpoint on the original question, I already know my own views, better than you. Does Christianity not compell us to love those we disagree with? To live in harmony with them despite our theological diffferences and promote peace? That does not mean you have to agree. We may disagree, but do we not all love the same God and desire to live how he wants us to, which is not about being ‘better’ or ‘better off were we are.’ Those who think it’s ‘better’ or perhaps out of touch with the sufferings of Christ. He did not embark on his ministry because it was better.
The Major difference between us is how we see whats writen in the bible ,Or should i say interpret it, and my friends who have left the church tell me they did not get any sence the church being Christian ,yours michael
 
The Major difference between us is how we see whats writen in the bible ,Or should i say interpret it, and my friends who have left the church tell me they did not get any sence the church being Christian ,yours michael
Fair enough, if people were disatisfied with Catholisism and chose to search for God somewhere else, that’s their perogative. Lots of other people do get a sense of being Christian in the Catholic Church. I know Catholics and Protestants interpret scripture in a different way which is exactly why I asked, how do Protestants interpret Jesus’ words, ‘to bind and to loose’. I have been asked on a number of occasions about ‘confession’ and were it is taught in the Bible and this is the scripture I quote and no one I have spoken to has offered any alternative explaination for the meaning of these words. I didn’t ask because I want people to agree with me. I asked because I would like to hear how Protestants interpret this passage of scripture for my own interest. Not because I expect Protestants to agree with me. This is your chance to convince me I am not interpreting scripture accurately if you can offer me an alternative explaination of the scripture.
 
Fair enough, if people were disatisfied with Catholisism and chose to search for God somewhere else, that’s their perogative. Lots of other people do get a sense of being Christian in the Catholic Church. I know Catholics and Protestants interpret scripture in a different way which is exactly why I asked, how do Protestants interpret Jesus’ words, ‘to bind and to loose’. I have been asked on a number of occasions about ‘confession’ and were it is taught in the Bible and this is the scripture I quote and no one I have spoken to has offered any alternative explaination for the meaning of these words. I didn’t ask because I want people to agree with me. I asked because I would like to hear how Protestants interpret this passage of scripture for my own interest. Not because I expect Protestants to agree with me. This is your chance to convince me I am not interpreting scripture accurately if you can offer me an alternative explaination of the scripture.
Yes, I would like to know that answer also. I also would like to know how Protestants interpret the scripture “What sins you forgive are forgiven, what sins you retain are retained.” Don’t forget the part where Jesus breathed upon The Apostles with these words.
 
minkymurph,

With all due respect, why are you asking Catholics on a Catholic message board well known for the combative and polemical tendencies of it’s denizens why Protestants believe what they believe?

Do you really think you’re going to get a careful and nuanced answer from anyone? At best some Protestant might respond and then he or she will be hammered by some Catholic with a cudgel and you’ll get to see a fight.

Is that what you want?

If you want to know why Protestants believe what they do even about Catholic doctrine, most large denominations have websites many of which host question and answer sections.

As, for example, does my church, here:

http://www.lcms.org/pages/internal.asp?NavID=2135
 
Yes, I would like to know that answer also. I also would like to know how Protestants interpret the scripture “What sins you forgive are forgiven, what sins you retain are retained.” Don’t forget the part where Jesus breathed upon The Apostles with these words.
Depends which one you ask

If you are Catholic, you know that your religion was founded in the year 33 by Jesus Christ the Son of God, and it is still the same Church.

If you are a Lutheran, your religion was founded by Martin Luther, an ex- monk of the Catholic Church, in the year 1517.

If you belong to the Church of England, your religion was founded by King Henry VIII in the year 1534 because the Pope would not grant him a divorce with the right to remarry.

If you are a Presbyterian, your religion was founded by John Knox in Scotland in the year 1560.

If you are a Protestant Episcopalian, your religion was an offshoot of the Church of England founded by Samuel Seabury in the American colonies in the 17th century.

If you are a Congregationalist, your religion was originated by Robert Brown in Holland in 1582.

If you are a Methodist, your religion was launched by John and Charles Wesley in England in 1744.

If you are a Unitarian, Theophilus Lindley founded your church in London in 1774.

If you are a Mormon (Latter Day Saints), Joseph Smith started your religion in Palmyra, N.Y., in 1829.

If you are a Baptist, you owe the tenets of your religion to John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam in 1605.

If you are of the Dutch Reformed church, you recognize Michaelis Jones as founder, because he originated your religion in New York in 1628.

If you worship with the Salvation Army, your sect began with William Booth in London in 1865.

If you are a Christian Scientist, you look to 1879 as the year in which your religion was born and to Mrs. Mary Baker Eddy as its founder.

If you belong to one of the religious organizations known as 'Church of the Nazarene," “Pentecostal Gospel.” “Holiness Church,” “Pilgrim Holiness Church,” “Jehovah’s Witnesses,” your religion is one of the hundreds of new sects founded by men within the past century.
 
Depends which one you ask

If you are Catholic, you know that your religion was founded in the year 33 by Jesus Christ the Son of God, and it is still the same Church.

If you are a Lutheran, your religion was founded by Martin Luther, an ex- monk of the Catholic Church, in the year 1517.

If you belong to the Church of England, your religion was founded by King Henry VIII in the year 1534 because the Pope would not grant him a divorce with the right to remarry.

If you are a Presbyterian, your religion was founded by John Knox in Scotland in the year 1560.

If you are a Protestant Episcopalian, your religion was an offshoot of the Church of England founded by Samuel Seabury in the American colonies in the 17th century.

If you are a Congregationalist, your religion was originated by Robert Brown in Holland in 1582.

If you are a Methodist, your religion was launched by John and Charles Wesley in England in 1744.

If you are a Unitarian, Theophilus Lindley founded your church in London in 1774.

If you are a Mormon (Latter Day Saints), Joseph Smith started your religion in Palmyra, N.Y., in 1829.

If you are a Baptist, you owe the tenets of your religion to John Smyth, who launched it in Amsterdam in 1605.

If you are of the Dutch Reformed church, you recognize Michaelis Jones as founder, because he originated your religion in New York in 1628.

If you worship with the Salvation Army, your sect began with William Booth in London in 1865.

If you are a Christian Scientist, you look to 1879 as the year in which your religion was born and to Mrs. Mary Baker Eddy as its founder.

If you belong to one of the religious organizations known as 'Church of the Nazarene," “Pentecostal Gospel.” “Holiness Church,” “Pilgrim Holiness Church,” “Jehovah’s Witnesses,” your religion is one of the hundreds of new sects founded by men within the past century.
WOW! Nothing like a man who knows his history. A protestants view is what I asked. Does anyone have the answer??
 
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