Why Do Think Jesus Changed Peters Name

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SEE IF THIS WILL HELP YOU—They replied, “Some say John the Baptist, 10 others Elijah, still others Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
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He said to them, “But who do you say that I am?”
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11 Simon Peter said in reply, “You are the Messiah, the Son of the living God.”
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Jesus said to him in reply, “Blessed are you, Simon son of Jonah. For flesh and blood 12 has not revealed this to you, but my heavenly Father.
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And so I say to you, you are Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church, 13 and the gates of the netherworld shall not prevail against it.
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I will give you the keys to the kingdom of heaven. 14 Whatever you bind on earth shall be bound in heaven; and whatever you loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.”
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Again - where do we see Peter as having authority “over all the other Apostles” ?? The Bible paints a very different picture of authority. For instance - when Paul begins to list the offices of the Church - He lists them in order from the highest down. In other words, he begins with the highest office in the Church, and works his way down to lower offices - and he explicitly numbers them. It is very strange that He forgot to mention the office of Pope as the Highest office, since you claim that he knew that Peter was the Pope who had authority “over all the other Apostles”

"And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, governments, diversities of tongues. . . " (1 Cor. 12:28)

Notice that Paul mentions the highest office in the Church as the office of an Apostle - and he uses the term Apostles - in the plural! Paul consistently taught that Peter was a pillar in the Church - along with James and John, but mentions nothing of a primacy. Notice how Paul uses the plural form of the term “pillars” denoting the equality of their authority.

“But of these who seemed to be somewhat, (whatsoever they were, it maketh no matter to me: God accepteth no man’s person) for they who seemed to be somewhat in conference added nothing to me: But contrariwise, when they saw that the gospel of the uncircumcision was committed unto me, as the gospel of the circumcision was unto Peter; (For he that wrought effectually in Peter to the apostleship of the circumcision, the same was mighty in me toward the Gentiles) And when James, Cephas, and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision.” (Galatians 2:6-9)

Also - notice that Paul does not view Peter as the chief apostle, for again he uses the plural term - “chiefest apostles” - denoting that there are more than one chief apostle. He also claims that he is not a whit behind any of the chiefest apostles in authority.

“For I suppose I am not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles.” (2 Corinthians 11:5)

“I am become a fool in glorying; ye have compelled me: for I ought to have been commended of you: for in nothing am I behind the very chiefest apostles, though I be nothing. Truly the signs of an apostle were wrought among you in all patience, in signs, and wonders, and mighty deeds.” (2 Corinthians 12:11, 12)

Where do you see that Peter had authority over all the other Apostles? :hmmm:
 
OK, what is significant about Christ renaming James and John as Boanerges (Sons of Thunder)?

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Was it actually Jesus who called them this? I don’t recall Him specifically doing so.

In any event, those two certainly had unique tasks among the Apostles - James as head of the church in Jerusalem and John as last of the Apostles.
 
  1. GOD renamed Simon to Peter in Matt 16:18, thus giving him ‘primacy’ over all of the Apostles. Why else would GOD give a new name to Simon?
In John 21, the last of the Gospels, Jesus calls him Simon again. Shouldn’t you be arguing on the basis of that that He had changed his name back again?

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He received his name change first thing, just to clarify:

Jesus Calls the First Disciples
35 The next day again John was standing with two of his disciples, 36 and he looked at Jesus as he walked by and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God!” 37 The two disciples heard him say this, and they followed Jesus. 38 Jesus turned and saw them following and said to them, “What are you seeking?” And they said to him, “Rabbi” (which means Teacher), “where are you staying?” 39 He said to them, “Come and you will see.” So they came and saw where he was staying, and they stayed with him that day, for it was about the tenth hour. [7] 40 One of the two who heard John speak and followed Jesus [8] was Andrew, Simon Peter’s brother. 41 He first found his own brother Simon and said to him, “We have found the Messiah” (which means Christ). 42 He brought him to Jesus. Jesus looked at him and said, “So you are Simon the son of John? You shall be called Cephas” (which means Peter [9]).
 
He received his name change first thing, just to clarify:

"Jesus looked at him and said, “So you are Simon the son of John? You shall be called Cephas” (which means Peter [9]).
He simply says - “you shall be called” so therefore this is a nick-name, but is not a name change. God told Abraham - “Neither shall thy name any more be Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.”

Abraham received a name change - not a nick-name.
Peter received a nick-name - not a name change. 👍
 
He simply says - “you shall be called” so therefore this is a nick-name, but is not a name change. God told Abraham - “Neither shall thy name any more be Abram, but thy name shall be Abraham; for a father of many nations have I made thee.”

Abraham received a name change - not a nick-name.
Peter received a nick-name - not a name change. 👍
Nick-name? So he had a nick-name that became his name in Matthew 16? Or what are you saying?
 
Nick-name? So he had a nick-name that became his name in Matthew 16? Or what are you saying?
Whoops! I guess I made a mistake - I didn’t realize that Jesus said that Simon’s *name is changed *to Peter in Matthew 16. But wait! I am looking at Matthew 16 right now, but what verse are you referring to where Jesus told Simon that his name is no longer Simon?

Let me ask you a question:

Did God ever call Abraham by his old name Abram after He changed it to Abraham? Did He do this even once?

No - because Abram was no longer his name.

But Jesus and the others continually called Simon by his real name multiple times after Jesus nick-named him Peter:

Matthew records the names and the nick-names of the Apostles - when he wrote: “Simon, who is called Peter.” (Matthew 10:2) And also “Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus.” (v. 3).

Jesus Called Peter Simon in Matthew 16: “And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona.” (Mt. 16:16)

Then even after Matthew 16, (after Jesus supposedly changed his name to Peter) Jesus calls him Simon again: “Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon?” (v. 25)

IN the Gospel of John - Jesus nick-names Simon as Peter, but then he clearly continues to call him by his real name: “Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these?” (21:15) The interesting thing about this instance is that Jesus repeated himself 3 times and all 3 times, he called him Simon - see also verses 16, 17!
 
Let me ask you a question:

Did God ever call Abraham by his old name Abram after He changed it to Abraham? Did He do this even once?

No - because Abram was no longer his name.
Let’s look a little ahead of Abraham. God changed Jacob’s name to Israel. He used similar wording as Abraham:

And God said to him, “Your name is Jacob; no longer shall your name be called Jacob, but Israel shall be your name.” So his name was called Israel. (Genesis 35: 10)

But if you keep reading, he is still being referred to as Jacob. So your argument doesn’t seem to hold water.
 
Whoops! I guess I made a mistake - I didn’t realize that Jesus said that Simon’s *name is changed *to Peter in Matthew 16. But wait! I am looking at Matthew 16 right now, but what verse are you referring to where Jesus told Simon that his name is no longer Simon?

Let me ask you a question:

Did God ever call Abraham by his old name Abram after He changed it to Abraham? Did He do this even once?

No - because Abram was no longer his name.

But Jesus and the others continually called Simon by his real name multiple times after Jesus nick-named him Peter:

Matthew records the names and the nick-names of the Apostles - when he wrote: “Simon, who is called Peter.” (Matthew 10:2) And also “Lebbaeus, whose surname was Thaddaeus.” (v. 3).

Jesus Called Peter Simon in Matthew 16: “And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona.” (Mt. 16:16)

Then even after Matthew 16, (after Jesus supposedly changed his name to Peter) Jesus calls him Simon again: “Jesus prevented him, saying, What thinkest thou, Simon?” (v. 25)

IN the Gospel of John - Jesus nick-names Simon as Peter, but then he clearly continues to call him by his real name: “Jesus saith to Simon Peter, Simon, son of Jonas, lovest thou me more than these?” (21:15) The interesting thing about this instance is that Jesus repeated himself 3 times and all 3 times, he called him Simon - see also verses 16, 17!
Makes sense to me now. Thanks. I believe we agree.
 
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