Why do those who favor "gay marriage" limit the number to two? What about homosexual incest?

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JustJack said:
Why are so many “catholic answers” analogies?
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Jack,

You suggested analogy of a mascot…the answer was given in kind…

Would you prefer the successor to Peter, Apostolic Succesion, presiding over the flock of Latin Roman Catholic Christians…

Analogies and stories is how Jesus taught…remmember Him?
 
JustJack said:
ok, so what if one keeps committing the same sin with intent. Will they be allowed in to heaven?
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Is it mortal or venial? How many times?
In the end, we are not God. There is no “sin meter” next to someone’s head that allows us to tell their state of grace and level of sin.
 
ccmnxc said:
This has to be true and utter repentance. You cannot commit a sin and think “I’ll just say sorry and it will be all good.” One must perform penance and feel truly sorry for their sins. If they cannot make themselves feel truly sorry, prayer is always an option.
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So if one keeps committing the same sin but has intent to change will they still be accepted in to heaven?
 
CopticChristian said:
Jack,

You suggested analogy of a mascot…the answer was given in kind…

Would you prefer the successor to Peter, Apostolic Succesion, presding over the flock of Latin Roman Catholic Christians…

Analogies and stories is how Jesus taught…remmember Him?
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Mascot: a person, animal, or object adopted by a group as a symbolic figure
 
JustJack said:
ok, so what if one keeps committing the same sin with intent. Will they be allowed in to heaven?
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Let’s just say that is not best practice. I would certainly not bet my soul on such a concept. God will neither be fooled or mocked.
 
JustJack said:
ok, so what if one keeps committing the same sin with intent. Will they be allowed in to heaven?
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Jack,

I know that heaven is meant for those that strive to do good, as Paul says in Romans,
judgment of God, 6who WILL RENDER TO EACH PERSON ACCORDING TO HIS DEEDS: 7to those who by perseverance in doing good seek for glory and honor and immortality, eternal life; 8but to those who are selfishly ambitious and do not obey the truth, but obey unrighteousness, wrath and indignation. 9There will be tribulation and distress for every soul of man who does evil, of the Jew first and also of the Greek, 10but glory and honor and peace to everyone who does good,
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Paul refers to running a race…stay true to the end…and if you continually do the same wrong and never intend to correct it…then you are running a pretty lame race and do not intend to finish or succeed.
 
CopticChristian said:
Jack,

I know that heaven is meant for those that strive to do good, as Paul says in Romans,

Paul refers to running a race…stay true to the end…and if you continually do the same wrong and never intend to correct it…then you are running a pretty lame race and do not intend to finish or succeed.
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Thanks for your time.
 
ccmnxc said:
Separation of Church and state doesn’t mean religious institutions have no say in law. It means that they cannot have a state religion and make it so that religious leaders cannot also be political leaders (the British had Anglican Bishops in Parliament). That is more closely aligned with the definition of “Separation of Church and State.” Also, what do you mean by rights. Are we talking legal rights or intrinsic rights from God because I’m pretty sure God never bestowed that right. Also, heterosexuals making a mockery of marriage doesn’t mean that allowing gay marriage will somehow remedy it.
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Religion has no place in any matter of legal issues based on freedom of religion, if I chose to be an atheist you passing any laws based on your religious belief is imposing on my freedoms as an atheist.

As for heterosexuals making a mockery of marriage, I’m not saying homosexual marriage will rectify the sanctity of something that seems to no longer have sanctity in today’s society. Let’s look at the divorce rates in America today and tell me marriage really means something to Americans anymore.

As for me I believe firmly in the vows of marriage so much so that at 35 I have never been married because I will only marry once and I plan to be married to that same person when my soul no longer lives in this body I have been blessed with. My folks have been married 50 years and I have always wanted that same dedication in my life in regards to marriage.
 
ManicFaze said:
I don’t see how states have a right to make homosexual marriage illegal, it’s based on religious moral principles that have no place in state law due to the separation of church and state.
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laws against murder are based on moral principles. Nothing says you can’t use moral principles as a basis for law.
Everyone has a right to be happily married as long it’s between 2 consenting adults no matter the sex who love one another. Heterosexuals have made a mockery out of marriage according to the word of Bible, so I don’t see why people want to get all worked up over this issue of “gay marriage”.
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Everyone doesn’t have a right to be happily married as long as it’s between 2 consenting adults. I can’t legally marry my mother. We are 2 legally consenting same sex adults. If gay marriage is legal there should be no legal reason why I couldn’t marry my mother so we can take advantage of all the state marriage perks.
 
Religion has no place in any matter of legal issues based on freedom of religion, if I chose to be an atheist you passing any laws based on your religious belief is imposing on my freedoms as an atheist.
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It’s not like I’d be able to write the 10 Commandments into the Constitution. What I’m saying is that the Church would have a voice in politics. The atheists can also have theirs. So can the Muslims, etc… Each gets a voice and each has proportional representation. That doesn’t mean they can make other religions illegal as that would violate the Constitution, but that doesn’t mean religion gets no voice.
As for heterosexuals making a mockery of marriage, I’m not saying homosexual marriage will rectify the sanctity of something that seems to no longer have sanctity in today’s society. Let’s look at the divorce rates in America today and tell me marriage really means something to Americans anymore.
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This is one of the reasons we don’t want gay marriage. Just because marriage is damaged now doesn’t mean it is okay to damage it more. We want to do the exact opposite.
 
ManicFaze said:
Religion has no place in any matter of legal issues based on freedom of religion, if I chose to be an atheist you passing any laws based on your religious belief is imposing on my freedoms as an atheist.

As for heterosexuals making a mockery of marriage, I’m not saying homosexual marriage will rectify the sanctity of something that seems to no longer have sanctity in today’s society. Let’s look at the divorce rates in America today and tell me marriage really means something to Americans anymore.

As for me I believe firmly in the vows of marriage so much so that at 35 I have never been married because I will only marry once and I plan to be married to that same person when my soul no longer lives in this body I have been blessed with. My folks have been married 50 years and I have always wanted that same dedication in my life in regards to marriage.
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Bolding Mine:

Aucontraire!!

Atheists can not** prove** ‘there is no God’ via Logic or Science. Therefore Atheists take it on* their* Faith that there is no God. Yes? This is *their *Religion. Ergo Atheists can not inflict their **Faith on … how did you put it? On " chose to be an atheist you passing any laws based on your religious belief is imposing on my freedoms as an atheist." In short, Atheists are inflicting their Religion on government and Catholics. 😉

BTW the intent of ‘Seperation of Church and State’ was originally meant to stop the Gov.'t from messing around with Religion. Instead the reverse is now being perpetrated on the people today by the likes of Abortion/Planned Parenthood supported politicians like** Obama. :cool:**
 
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