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Where do we come from as Catholics when we say we believe that we are judged right after death and go to Heaven (or else) instead of believing we just stay dead in body and soul until the resurrection of the body like some protestant groups do?
I would especially love to know what scripture verses and other important theological facts back this Catholic belief.
I have been (friendly) discussing with a loved one who is a member of a protestant group (a ministery) and they believe we don’t go anywhere after death (so they obviously don’t believe in saints or such) until the end of times when Christ raises everyone from the dead.
On their Ministery website they have a listing of where they stand on most faith topics, and on this specific topic they back up their position with the following:
Genesis 2:7:
And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Genesis 3:19:
In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Psalms 6:5:
For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?
Psalms 49:17:
For when he dieth he shall carry nothing away: his glory shall not descend after him.
Psalms 115:17:
The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence.
Psalms 146:4:
His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.
Ecclesiastes 3:20:
All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
Ecclesiastes 9:5,6,10:
For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.
As you can see this group is very heavily focused on bible studies and they love studying the verses in their original language if possible, and other methods they use to try to assure understanding scripture without bias. This is why I would love an answer that utilizes scripture as well to explain our belief.
I know Catholic intellectuals and theologians love doing this as well but as a cradle catholic sometimes I don’t have all the answers. I would love to get some help!
I would especially love to know what scripture verses and other important theological facts back this Catholic belief.
I have been (friendly) discussing with a loved one who is a member of a protestant group (a ministery) and they believe we don’t go anywhere after death (so they obviously don’t believe in saints or such) until the end of times when Christ raises everyone from the dead.
On their Ministery website they have a listing of where they stand on most faith topics, and on this specific topic they back up their position with the following:
Genesis 2:7:
And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.
Genesis 3:19:
In the sweat of thy face shalt thou eat bread, till thou return unto the ground; for out of it wast thou taken: for dust thou art, and unto dust shalt thou return.
Psalms 6:5:
For in death there is no remembrance of thee: in the grave who shall give thee thanks?
Psalms 49:17:
For when he dieth he shall carry nothing away: his glory shall not descend after him.
Psalms 115:17:
The dead praise not the Lord, neither any that go down into silence.
Psalms 146:4:
His breath goeth forth, he returneth to his earth; in that very day his thoughts perish.
Ecclesiastes 3:20:
All go unto one place; all are of the dust, and all turn to dust again.
Ecclesiastes 9:5,6,10:
For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.
Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.
Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.
As you can see this group is very heavily focused on bible studies and they love studying the verses in their original language if possible, and other methods they use to try to assure understanding scripture without bias. This is why I would love an answer that utilizes scripture as well to explain our belief.
I know Catholic intellectuals and theologians love doing this as well but as a cradle catholic sometimes I don’t have all the answers. I would love to get some help!
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