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AngelicDoctor
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I do not know if holy_roamer is still looking at this topic,… but he began a discussion that was off topic from the original thread on the Traditional Catholic forum. I will post my response to some issues that he rasied in a new thread if anyone is interested. HR–I am not looking for a fight with a Protestant… I am just willing to discuss this matter if you are interested.
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Originally Posted by holy_roamer forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_cad/viewpost.gif
*Thanks, I appreciate your write up on the Eucharist and l always enjoy reading Bible Verses. In my post to Kathleen I was trying to point out that by whipping out the term “Eucharist” she was alienating a lot of Christians that, by the way, the Holy Father hasn’t alienated.
I believe that it would be far more beneficial to the Catholic faith if the laypeople would stop substituting “Eucharist” when the word Jesus should be used. According to the Bible it’s the name of Jesus that has spiritual power, not the Eucharist. For those Catholic who don’t, “just do it”, and actually believe the Eucharist is more than a symbolic gesture, well more power to them. It’s between them and God, but I would rather hear the word Jesus.
Getting back to the topic of this thread, how can we expect anyone to come to a Tridentine Mass if we don’t hold up our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ for the whole world to see?*
"In the first multiplication of loaves, Jesus pronounces a “blessing” according to the synoptics (Mt 14:19), a “thanksgiving” according to Jn 6:11, 23). In the second multiplication, Mt 15:36 mentions a “thanksgiving” while Mk 8:6 speaks of a “thanksgiving” over the bread and a “blessing” over the fish. This practical equating of the two dissuades us from distinguishing at the last supper between the “blessing” over the bread (Mt 26:26 p; cf. Lk 24:30) and the “thanksgiving” over the cup (Mt 26:27, p). Paul, in any case, speaks of them inversely, with the “thanksgiving” over the bread (1 Cor 11:24) and the “blessing” over the cup (1 Cor 10:16). " --From Xavier Leon-Dufour, Dictionary of Biblical Theology, Word Among Us Press, p. 145. Read 1 Corinthians 10 and the Last Supper discources, and the multiplication of the loaves accounts… rather than “eucharist” (thanksgiving/praise) what would YOU call true Christian worship? St. Paul is telling us that this eucharist service is what was passed down from the Lord himself.
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Originally Posted by holy_roamer forums.catholic-questions.org/images/buttons_cad/viewpost.gif
*Thanks, I appreciate your write up on the Eucharist and l always enjoy reading Bible Verses. In my post to Kathleen I was trying to point out that by whipping out the term “Eucharist” she was alienating a lot of Christians that, by the way, the Holy Father hasn’t alienated.
I believe that it would be far more beneficial to the Catholic faith if the laypeople would stop substituting “Eucharist” when the word Jesus should be used. According to the Bible it’s the name of Jesus that has spiritual power, not the Eucharist. For those Catholic who don’t, “just do it”, and actually believe the Eucharist is more than a symbolic gesture, well more power to them. It’s between them and God, but I would rather hear the word Jesus.
Getting back to the topic of this thread, how can we expect anyone to come to a Tridentine Mass if we don’t hold up our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ for the whole world to see?*
- Why does the word “Eucharist” alienate or offend non-Catholic Christians? Do you understand what the term “eucharist” means as it appears in the Greek New Testament. The Eucharist is an ACT of worship… this ACT of worship is performed eternally by the PERSON of JESUS (Jesus offers this worship to the Father eternally–and we as the body of Christ are united with Jesus in this worship/offering). What could be more Christo-centric than being united with Jesus in his sacrifice of thanksgiving, praise, and loving self-offering to the Father in the Holy Spirit.
"In the first multiplication of loaves, Jesus pronounces a “blessing” according to the synoptics (Mt 14:19), a “thanksgiving” according to Jn 6:11, 23). In the second multiplication, Mt 15:36 mentions a “thanksgiving” while Mk 8:6 speaks of a “thanksgiving” over the bread and a “blessing” over the fish. This practical equating of the two dissuades us from distinguishing at the last supper between the “blessing” over the bread (Mt 26:26 p; cf. Lk 24:30) and the “thanksgiving” over the cup (Mt 26:27, p). Paul, in any case, speaks of them inversely, with the “thanksgiving” over the bread (1 Cor 11:24) and the “blessing” over the cup (1 Cor 10:16). " --From Xavier Leon-Dufour, Dictionary of Biblical Theology, Word Among Us Press, p. 145. Read 1 Corinthians 10 and the Last Supper discources, and the multiplication of the loaves accounts… rather than “eucharist” (thanksgiving/praise) what would YOU call true Christian worship? St. Paul is telling us that this eucharist service is what was passed down from the Lord himself.