Why do we choose to believe in something that might not be real?

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I believe people are seeking truth, namely, what purpose do they have on earth if any.

They want to know if their life has any value to it, and where they fit. What to make of it all. What does this all mean, everything around me? They have an image problem with themselves and are looking for truth that makes sense of it all.

Now why they choose a particular brand of belief is another complicated question depending on many variables. But they seek satisfaction in some way.

Those that are purists, will seek for truth itself regardless of the consequences.
Those that are not, may seek truth which is shaded by what is convenient to them.

Of course being human, error in judgment is common.

When it comes to religion, the same process repeats itself.

Truth or convenience?

Just an idea.
 
I believe people are seeking truth, namely, what purpose do they have on earth if any.

They want to know if their life has any value to it, and where they fit. What to make of it all. What does this all mean, everything around me? They have an image problem with themselves and are looking for truth that makes sense of it all.

Now why they choose a particular brand of belief is another complicated question depending on many variables. But they seek satisfaction in some way.

Those that are purists, will seek for truth itself regardless of the consequences.
Those that are not, may seek truth which is shaded by what is convenient to them.

Of course being human, error in judgment is common.

When it comes to religion, the same process repeats itself.

Truth or convenience?

Just an idea.
Imo, this is very well stated. Yet there may be judjement even between
Those that are purists, will seek for truth itself regardless of the consequences.
and
Those that are not, may seek truth which is shaded by what is convenient to them.
A one man said, “The search for reality is the most dangerous undertaking. It will destroy your world.” That is literally and figuratively true, as the idea of “purity” hinges even on whether the seeking is purely by reason and expecting an objective answer, or whether the mind is exhausted and one can percieve beyond reason and experienc being. Mental gymnastics of judgement and reason are useful only to the point of that exhastion, and then the reasoning is based on an entirely different premise.
 
that would be an interesting argument.

i don’t think, though, that lack of faith is a leap. it’s just not taking the faith leap.

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Actuallly, to deny the existence of God in the face of evidence is a choice and thus a leap of faith. Although there is not irrefutable evidence (from a sensory perception), there is evidence.

For example, you learned in American History class that there was a battle of Bull Run in the civil war. Yet, you were not there. If you choose to deny the fact that such a battle took place, you would have made a choice (act of the will)in the process of refuting conventional information that others hold as true. Atheists are not without a faith, they have chosen a faith that at certain levels requires a leap.
 
Actuallly, to deny the existence of God in the face of evidence is a choice and thus a leap of faith. Although there is not irrefutable evidence (from a sensory perception), there is evidence.

For example, you learned in American History class that there was a battle of Bull Run in the civil war. Yet, you were not there. If you choose to deny the fact that such a battle took place, you would have made a choice (act of the will)in the process of refuting conventional information that others hold as true. Atheists are not without a faith, they have chosen a faith that at certain levels requires a leap.
Its true!

It is not possible to prove definitively that God does not exist, and so, it is just as much a leap of faith to believe that there is no God as it is to believe in His existence.
 
Because we have experienced and survived things that could not have been possible.
 
Because we have experienced and survived things that could not have been possible.
 
One of the most important features of faith is doubt, is it not? or else it would be fact. Atheists also believe something that may not be true, even Richard Dawkins admits he is an agnostic to some extent which it is why it is important to recognise atheism as a faith
 
i mean, it goes for every religion or belief that requires a leap of faith.

why do we do it?
If you mean why do we take the leap, I would say it’s because we will never have all the answers. We begin to really learn once we begin to practice. It’s ok to be open for awhile but eventually we have to clamp down on something.
 
Imo, this is very well stated. Yet there may be judjement even between and A one man said, “The search for reality is the most dangerous undertaking. It will destroy your world.” That is literally and figuratively true, as the idea of “purity” hinges even on whether the seeking is purely by reason and expecting an objective answer, or whether the mind is exhausted and one can percieve beyond reason and experienc being. Mental gymnastics of judgement and reason are useful only to the point of that exhastion, and then the reasoning is based on an entirely different premise.
You mentioned “It will destroy your world.” Truth can do that. Jesus was an example. Only in his case he was giving truth. And truth has destroyed more than one person for embracing it, e.g., the martyrs.

And so the alternative to some becomes more attractive, convenience. And so wierd religions are born of such.

Thanks for your thoughts.
 
You mentioned “It will destroy your world.” Truth can do that. Jesus was an example. Only in his case he was giving truth. And truth has destroyed more than one person for embracing it, e.g., the martyrs.

And so the alternative to some becomes more attractive, convenience. And so wierd religions are born of such.

Thanks for your thoughts.
Thanks for yours! Though that’s not quite what was meant, but I can see why you said it. A bit too literal in this case. The intent was to point to the fact that seeing Truth, as distinct from *having thoughts *about it, is such a radical paradigm shift that while the world remains as it is, your perception of it changes radically. Your uderstanding of yourself, the world, and the words of Jesus are on an entirely different footing from what they were as book learning or inculcated faith. So how you “thought” things were, even in the deepest part of your faith, is replaced by radical understanding. So your “world” as you thougt it was, is destroyed. This is what the speaker meant. Yet this part is as invisible to the ordinary mind as calculus is to a kindergartener. But the kindergatener can eventually know "divine’ calculus if the effort is made and doesn’t convince themselves anywhere along the way that they “know” God as an object. In short, if you can find the “off” switch for your discursive mind, you will expereince the world more as it is than you do now in the mode that we all learn to use to get along in 3D and time. You can expereince what comes “before” that, and yet is simultanious and one with it. I kid you not.
 
Because to do otherwise is no way of living. . . .] In short, to do otherwise is to despair.
Kind of like love. . . .]

Anyway, the dilemma is the problem of the other. I’m not sure if anyone ever comes to perfect knowledge that his wife, or her husband, really loves him or her. People just “choose to believe.” Of course, a certain comfortability adds to easier acceptance of the veracity of that choice.
We all come from the same Creator. We are connected that way. His love, and knowing Him, is etched on our souls. That’s why we seek “something”.
I believe people are seeking truth, namely, what purpose do they have on earth if any.

They want to know if their life has any value to it, and where they fit. What to make of it all. What does this all mean, everything around me? They have an image problem with themselves and are looking for truth that makes sense of it all.

Now why they choose a particular brand of belief is another complicated question depending on many variables. But they seek satisfaction in some way.

Those that are purists, will seek for truth itself regardless of the consequences.
Those that are not, may seek truth which is shaded by what is convenient to them.

Of course being human, error in judgment is common.

When it comes to religion, the same process repeats itself.

Truth or convenience?
All of the above appear to be different variations of the same fundamental answer. We are aware of a lacking, a privation – not just a mere absence – of a due, intended good. Thus we’re aversely acquainted with what is essentially evil. As we pursue our natural goods out of love and thereby conversely shun evil, it’s not surprising that we may often leap at the sight of a potentially-reached good – to our minds, that’s a leap out of an evil into a good, which is a pretty solid net gain. Quite simply, our wills (which are inclined to the truth qua goodness, a.k.a. knowledge) refuse to settle with anything less than an intellectual state of perfect certainty with conformity to unlimited truth.
Because the mind abhors a vacuum. In other words, if there is not knowledge, there is belief that serves that role. Hence, chaos. It is not money that is at the root of all evil.
Right. Belief is one’s personal construction of an artificial bridge over a void that he recognizes as evil, an attempt to overcome that evil. I suppose the will finds the intellect in a predicament and suddenly springs to action to provide some means of an escape into safety.
One of the most important features of faith is doubt, is it not? or else it would be fact.
In a sense, perhaps. One only doubts after he’s already, consciously or not, realized that what he’s currently got isn’t completely satisfying (that is, isn’t totally certain). The doubt is his effort to assess just how much he’s missing, so to speak, to sample alternatives, to play the field with top contestants. Doubt is often like an intellectual affair, mental cheating/adultery, which only happens amid dissatisfaction of some degree; excessively prolonged doubt is like intellectual spinsterhood, you might say. Hypothesis is akin to dating; belief is a “committed relationship” with temporarily agreed-upon fidelity; religious faith is (or, maybe, ought to be) monogamous marriage. Certainty is like what happens at the end of chick flicks, I guess, when the girl meets Mr. Perfect, Prince Charming, and lives, no doubt, happily ever after.
If you mean why do we take the leap, I would say it’s because we will never have all the answers. We begin to really learn once we begin to practice. It’s ok to be open for awhile but eventually we have to clamp down on something.
This is a key point, I think. The fact we seem to be practically, even existentially, compelled to believe amid uncertainty might give us a good idea of our human nature, its end, etc. Every human being with functional rationality has an innate disposition toward perfect, indubitable knowledge, no? Upon recognition of its absence, one begins immediately to maximize his closeness to it, before even trying to determine whether such a goal is feasibly attainable or not.
 
In Spiration, I very much like your signtaure. We have usually no clue how imporatnt our language is in forming our paradigms, or beliefs. Many of them, eg
s-v-o construction, have inherent assumptions about how the world “works,” and unless we are conscious of such things, we are prey to them. I wish I could think in Sanscrit, the language that seems to have appeared without predecessors, and which holds so many mysteries as to our cultural origins, as well as the demise of much we, as a race, seem to have known-- from that evidence at least. Even a simplified version of its grammar is remarkably subtle, and many verb tenses are dropped in th usual grammars available, I am told. And in this age of emerging energy awareness, where most of us still have such mechanistic propensities, such subtlties as have been lost to us could be useful in regaining a more inclusive and profound appreciation of what we now see mostly as surfaces. Thanks for using that quote!
All of the above appear to be different variations of the same fundamental answer. We are aware of a lacking, a privation – not just a mere absence – of a due, intended good. Thus we’re aversely acquainted with what is essentially evil. As we pursue our natural goods out of love and thereby conversely shun evil, it’s not surprising that we may often leap at the sight of a potentially-reached good – to our minds, that’s a leap out of an evil into a good, which is a pretty solid net gain. Quite simply, our wills (which are inclined to the truth qua goodness, a.k.a. knowledge) refuse to settle with anything less than an intellectual state of perfect certainty with conformity to unlimited truth.
That is well said, save I would have put it “…that’s a leap out of a (percieved) evil into a (percieved) good.” And though that may in some instances appear as a net gain, it is yet relative within that realm of perceptions, and usually does not support inquiry into the mode of having perceptions itself. That is, I contend, where the difficulty of the “privation” lies and its root ignored.
Right. Belief is one’s personal construction of an artificial bridge over a void that he recognizes as evil, an attempt to overcome that evil. I suppose the will finds the intellect in a predicament and suddenly springs to action to provide some means of an escape into safety.
This is close to accurate, as I see it, though I’m not sure yet of your understanding of “evil,” so will let that go for now. And the “will” does leap when the intellect is baffled, or givews up, and insight happens, Sometimes that is called foolishness, and sometimes intuition. In the direction of intuition is the soplution of the privation, and that can happen when the constructs of intellect dissolve in exhaustion into what supprts them, into awareness itself. That is why no matter one’s liguistic, cultural or chronological background, reportage of that experience is consistent despite calendar, geography, or inculcation.
In a sense, perhaps. One only doubts after he’s already, consciously or not, realized that what he’s currently got isn’t completely satisfying (that is, isn’t totally certain). The doubt is his effort to assess just how much he’s missing, so to speak, to sample alternatives, to play the field with top contestants. Doubt is often like an intellectual affair, mental cheating/adultery, which only happens amid dissatisfaction of some degree; excessively prolonged doubt is like intellectual spinsterhood, you might say. Hypothesis is akin to dating; belief is a “committed relationship” with temporarily agreed-upon fidelity; religious faith is (or, maybe, ought to be) monogamous marriage. Certainty is like what happens at the end of chick flicks, I guess, when the girl meets Mr. Perfect, Prince Charming, and lives, no doubt, happily ever after.
Faith and doubt are the same coin, of the same stuff. One has the other inevitably. What is the substance of that coin? Where does the loved one, or anyone, exist for you?
This is a key point, I think. The fact we seem to be practically, even existentially, compelled to believe amid uncertainty might give us a good idea of our human nature, its end, etc. Every human being with functional rationality has an innate disposition toward perfect, indubitable knowledge, no? Upon recognition of its absence, one begins immediately to maximize his closeness to it, before even trying to determine whether such a goal is feasibly attainable or not.
Yes, this s teleology. And it works at the level of each one’s awareness, its breadth and depth. At certiain points in the recognition of this “absence,” which is a perceptual condition, not an actual condition–as one can discover–a fulcrum is tipped on and the balance of one’s awareness moves into a state inclusive of, but greater than the predceeding one. Thus maturity is always in a direction outward from the infantile ego towards Allness and its implications and experiences. The human has at least nine such fulcrums.

I enjoyed reading your post!
 
Because we have experienced and survived things that could not have been possible.
I agree with Chemoangel; I think, however, that the rationale for religion depends upon an individual. Thus, there is much diversity in why one would believe in religion. I could use my Philosophy knowledge garnered from copious college papers, yet, I will try to simplify the main reasons why one would believe as such.

1.) As Chemoangel says, one has experienced the divine love of God in some way. Whether it be from marveling at the beauty of the natural world around us, or by undergoing extreme tribulation in life and feeling the healing power of the Holy Spirit, many have had fledgling faith reaffirmed. My mother had a grave illness and was close to death, but because of the countless intercessions said for her and her own close relationship with God was able to make a full recovery. In a less extreme measure, this is also the mindset of those who have prayerful reflections with God and hear his voice responding.

2.) Conversely, a part of religion is culture. Though this is a quite unromantic notion, there are those who remain within a religion, for the community aspect is a defining feature in the individual’s identity. It is a sense of oneness with the others around, which is experienced in many ways in church. With gestures such as the Sign of Peace, one is aware of the enormity and timeless nature of one’s religion. One is bonded irrevocably with those entrenched in one’s faith, both those who have long passed from this life and with those who have not yet been born. This continuity through the ages is a powerful frame for one’s personality.

3.) Lastly, there are some who believe in the disjointed nature of the corporeal body; there is a distinct separation between the body and soul. A soul is an eternal part within the withering constraints of humanity. This duality is omnipresent throughout humanity, and must have been the work of the divine. Thus, there are those who know that there is life after death and come to terms with this paradox through religion.

Hopefully this helps and sorry that this is an extremely long post! 🙂
 
i mean, it goes for every religion or belief that requires a leap of faith.

why do we do it?
Jesus Christ is my assurance. If Jesus Christ and His words are life and salvation - I choose Jesus Christ.

You go ahead and gamble…see where it gets ya. Just don’t proctor anyone else into your personal hell.
 
My question is how do you do it? How is belief a choice at all?
Beleif is what happens when you need to know and you don’t, so you suppy a conjecture or are given one. Most of that happens before the age of reason and is similar in efffect to hypnosis. It is a survival mechanism for adapting to family life. Sometimes even the deepest beleifs can be seen through, and one can to that degree wake up to either a closer approximation of Reality, or to Reality itself. Maturity is an arc away from infantile self absorption to absorpion in the Self, which always already IS. Before that, there is belief.
 
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