Why do we have to be right?

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“…why didn’t they love me enough to let me try my wings out and begin to identify myself or assert my own identity. …”

Sounds like they did! So now you have your new “identity.” Cool. How is it? Does it fit? Do you think it would be so cool without the 2000 years of Christian culture and over 3000 years of Judaic culture *on which you implicitly depend? *

We can say that our Church is the one true faith without discriminating or being Big Meanies or hurting anyone. The church is just stating the facts as it seems them. That’s all. It would be kind of silly to be doing all the things the Church does and we do in the church if we didn’t think it embodied the truth wouldn’t it?

I am sorry the schools have filled your head with so much mush. You’re definitely not alone!
 
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Liberian:
Dear Phatrunt29,

(5) I want solitary proof that Catholicism is the one and only true way to the end!

When you ask for “solitary proof that Catholicism is the one and only true way” you ask for too much. Proof does not exist outside the mathematical world; even in science nothing is absolutely proven completely. Let me challenge you: prove to me that you exist. The only evidence that I have for your existence is a few postings on a website.
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Phat? Phat?

Are you there?

Oh dear, maybe he DOESN’T exist after all!
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phatrunt29:
maybe everyone is right!!! Maybe whatever your beliefs are right. !!!
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Look at it this way. This is a hypothetical but very illustrative situation:

My son says 2 + 2 =4. My daughter says that 2 + 2 = 5. They each believe that they are right - are they both right?

Which one is more likely to succeed in math class?

Now this is admittedly a mathmatical view, so let’s look at it another way, one that is very familiar in my household.

My son says that my daughter was annoying him when she kept imitating him. My daughter says that she was not annoying him by copying what he was doing. Are they both right?

No matter how hard she tries to deny it, to herself and to us, the fact is that her actions were, indeed, annoying him. For all her denial, his annoyance is still a fact.
Objective truth is like these examples. There are things which are true, and they will not cease to be true just because someone else prefers to believe they are not true. In other words, when it comes to objective truth, everyone with differeng opinions can’t be right

Here’s another important example. No matter how hard some people would like to believe it is not true, the Holocaust happened. We have both objective and subjective witness to the facts, and all the hot air that revisionists like to blow off in denying the Holocaust does not change history.
 
Phat,

So far, you’ve gotten answers from several people who just *know *they’re right, and if you don’t listen to them, you’'ve had it. That’s why I’m no longer a Christian.

These people have found what’s right for them, and I am happy for them. I wish them well. But what is right for them may not be right for you.

My own belief is that all religions are the works of man, not God. At best, they are approximations to God. None of them can define your relationship with whoever you think your God is. Only you and God can define that relationship. If you decide to become Catholic, or Wiccan, or something else, do so because its what you truly believe.
 
Homosexual can’t love one another like heterosexuals because homosexuals can’t bring life in to the world.

Because they can’t bring life into the world?
How can you say such a thing? Should a mother and son bring life in the world together? NO Should a father and daughter bring life into the world together? NO but yet there is an unconditional love between them. So why can’t homosexuals love like heterosexuals? Your point is quite sad and maybe you should rethink it? I think that they should have the same rights and priviledges that you do and then some because they took it upon themselves to stand up and admit that they are different…unlike everyone else in the world that believe that they have to fit into a set mold! Just except that there are people in the world that are different and that they are completely human because of a few differences and deserve to be treated with respect!!!
 
Liberian

i am here and maybe i decide to hide because i am a target of ridicule and vicious taunts because of your very beliefs of everlasting love from a man who died for us… how can he fix anything down here when he is living in bliss in heaven? so we are told that there is something better so we behave. thats like telling a child you can have desert before dinner if you behave! and your question of the fact wether i exist or not you may ask my mom if she remembers a hot night in the summer when she gave birth to me and the government because i have registered for college which requires a soc num and to gain one of those it requires a birth certificate
so i speak and so i am!!!
Hey guess what maybe i exist after all! but the question still remains does god exist? and why do we (catholics) have to be right???
 
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phatrunt29:
Should a mother and son bring life in the world together? NO Should a father and daughter bring life into the world together? NO but yet there is an unconditional love between them. So why can’t homosexuals love like heterosexuals? ]
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You answered your own question. Father and Daughters and Mothers and Sons CAN bring life into the world, but it does not mean it is right, plain and simple. Their love is worng morally, ethically, and biologically. It is unnatural. The same goes for homosexual relationships. It is a cross to bear and I don’t know what it is like for them, but truth is truth. Basically your argument floats like a lead balloon, i’m sorry to say.

You seem to be promoting an existential reality, where your truth may not be somebody else’s truth. But since truth is never a lie, than the argument that we all have our own truths is flawed.

Do you believe that there are no absolute truths?

DU
 
Phat,

On a sidenote, I applaud you for thinking, too many people do not know their faith. If I may give you a little advice from a former atheist and Methodist:

God has to exsist, something can’t come from nothing. Thats a pretty cut and dry fact. What makes Catholicism right though? Alot, and it can be based on reason. The Church has remained for 2,000 years, the oldest institution on the planet and the only one still going strong. Do you think that if Jesus’ would’ve not been raised from the dead that Peter and some other Disciples would’ve gone to die as martyrs. What about people like Pope John Paul II and Padre Pio and Mother Theresa? This religion makes the most sense, it promotes compassion and never compromises truth. To make it through some Popes and the Dark Ages, the Catholic Church must be protected by God.

DU
 
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snowman10:
You answered your own question. Father and Daughters and Mothers and Sons CAN bring life into the world, but it does not mean it is right, plain and simple. Their love is worng morally, ethically, and biologically. It is unnatural. The same goes for homosexual relationships. It is a cross to bear and I don’t know what it is like for them, but truth is truth. Basically your argument floats like a lead balloon, i’m sorry to say.

You seem to be promoting an existential reality, where your truth may not be somebody else’s truth. But since truth is never a lie, than the argument that we all have our own truths is flawed.

Do you believe that there are no absolute truths?

DU
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Bigotry is not divine

What makes homosexuality wrong in all these differnet ways you proclaim? Is the bible your last source as always? Or perhaps faith as a last stop? Just because you are surrounded by a majority does not mean you can make bigoted statements.
 
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OkeyDokei:
Bigotry is not divine

What makes homosexuality wrong in all these differnet ways you proclaim? Is the bible your last source as always? Or perhaps faith as a last stop? Just because you are surrounded by a majority does not mean you can make bigoted statements.
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Execuse me if I do not answer your question in the way you’d like, but I am not sure if I follow what you are saying.

How exactly am I being a bigot? Truth is truth, just as 2 + 2 = 4.
That won’t change. If a teacher holds up a piece of white paper and asks the children “What color is this?” and one child responds blue, another green, so on and so forth, does the teacher say they are all correct? No, and the reason for saying NO is not to destroy their seld esteem or dreams, but to teach them the truth and correctness.

The Bible is only one source, but I cannot interpret it by myself, I need a teacher and we have the Magestirium to fill that role.

But could you please elaborate more on your post. I need a little more to answer more fully.

DU
 
I am making no sense of your post… I want an answer to why homosexuality is wrong in so many ways that many of you claim, besides that of the fallable bible. (and faith)

Is a logical statement too much to asK?
 
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OkeyDokei:
I am making no sense of your post… I want an answer to why homosexuality is wrong in so many ways that many of you claim, besides that of the fallable bible. (and faith)

Is a logical statement too much to asK?
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You want a secular answer devoid of all relgious influence?

DU
 
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OkeyDokei:
No, rather a religious answer devoid of irrationality…
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What is the irrationality of declaring active homosexuality incompatible with Christian teachings. We do love our homosexual bretheren, as Christ commanded but it does not mean we condone the action. Love the sinner, hate the sin.

Do you think you could elaborate on how the view on homosexuality is irrational?

DU
 
Hi phatrunt29,
I’m a teen just like you, a bit older, but I also had a friend at my Catholic high school who dabbled in Wicca. She told me about a conversation with her parents similiar to what you describe. It seems to have been just her own little detour on the road to self-knowledge though, 'cuz I haven’t heard anything from her about it in over a year. She just did a monologue in our drama class from one of the adaptations of the story of St. Joan d’Arc.
And believe it or not, many girls at my school (which is all-girls) feel the way you do about homosexuality. But guess what? You all can rant and rave all you like about how you think the Church does not see homosexuals as having equal dignity before God, but *that does not change the Church’s teaching, *which is that THEY the PEOPLE have dignity. Their ACTS are the sin, their ACTS violate God-given natural law, and they must work to change their ACTS.
 
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Irene:
Hi phatrunt29,
I’m a teen just like you, a bit older, but I also had a friend at my Catholic high school who dabbled in Wicca. She told me about a conversation with her parents similiar to what you describe. It seems to have been just her own little detour on the road to self-knowledge though, 'cuz I haven’t heard anything from her about it in over a year. She just did a monologue in our drama class from one of the adaptations of the story of St. Joan d’Arc.
And believe it or not, many girls at my school (which is all-girls) feel the way you do about homosexuality. But guess what? You all can rant and rave all you like about how you think the Church does not see homosexuals as having equal dignity before God, but *that does not change the Church’s teaching, *which is that THEY the PEOPLE have dignity. Their ACTS are the sin, their ACTS violate God-given natural law, and they must work to change their ACTS.
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Nice message…especially at the end about ACTS…very nice…👍

DU
 
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Irene:
Hi phatrunt29,
I’m a teen just like you, a bit older, but I also had a friend at my Catholic high school who dabbled in Wicca. She told me about a conversation with her parents similiar to what you describe. It seems to have been just her own little detour on the road to self-knowledge though, 'cuz I haven’t heard anything from her about it in over a year. She just did a monologue in our drama class from one of the adaptations of the story of St. Joan d’Arc.
And believe it or not, many girls at my school (which is all-girls) feel the way you do about homosexuality. But guess what? You all can rant and rave all you like about how you think the Church does not see homosexuals as having equal dignity before God, but *that does not change the Church’s teaching, *which is that THEY the PEOPLE have dignity. Their ACTS are the sin, their ACTS violate God-given natural law, and they must work to change their ACTS.
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God bless you! See, if many of our teens are like this, then the Church wouldn’t have a crisis. It’s teens like Irene who gives hope to our Faith.
 
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Milliardo:
God bless you! See, if many of our teens are like this, then the Church wouldn’t have a crisis. It’s teens like Irene who gives hope to our Faith.
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I am telling you…its us youth that is going to bring orthodoxy back to the Church, especially in America. I promise you’ll see it within your lifetime…👍

DU
 
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snowman10:
I am telling you…its us youth that is going to bring orthodoxy back to the Church, especially in America. I promise you’ll see it within your lifetime…👍

DU
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As they say, the youth is the hope of the future.
 
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Milliardo:
As they say, the youth is the hope of the future.
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Think about it…someone of my generation will one day be Pope. That should give you hope.

DU
 
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