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Hey all,

I think often of my ex girlfriend, with whom I was very much in love. Even though the relationship has been over for longer than we were dating, I still miss her and honestly still love her. But the other day I was questioning why I love her. Would I really still sacrifice for her? (depending on the situation of course) Why should I still love her? Why why why? What’s the point? She’s not interested in me. I’m just another person to her now, and understandably so.

So why do we love others even if they don’t love us back? Why should I sacrifice for her (or not)? Where does this all come from?

I’m probably not being very clear in this question so if I can clarify anything let me know.

Coolduude
 
This is a good question. Simply, I feel we love others because that’s the way God created us. He told us to love our neighbors, and even our enemies…

It is a gift from God. God created us because He loves us, and He gave His only Son to die for us also. Simply put, God is love and that’s why those who know God and follow God are capable of love, while those who reject God and those who are the biggest of sinners are least likely to love or even be capable of love.
 
It takes a while for it to attenuate.

I felt the same way about my ex girlfriend until I met my wife and now I no longer love her as I love my wife so much more.

I do hope she is happy but those feelings have gone.
 
You have apparently given a lot of time to this girl and therefore want her to be with you because you have invested so much into her. But she is no longer interested in you, but you still want to spend time with her because you are attracted to her.

Why do you still love? Because, as human beings created by Love, we are called to love.

Yeah, I’m not much help. sorry. :o
 
Where your treasure is, there your heart will be also" Mt. 6:21

We have a hard time letting go of anything in which we invested a lot of time, thought, effort, emotion, hope etc. That’s we must guard our hearts when dating, not just our bodies!

This isn’t just love, it’s attachment
 
why do we love others even if they don’t love us back? Why should I sacrifice for her (or not)? Where does this all come from?

Coolduude
Love is not a feeling, it’s an act (action). Love is an act that comes from the will.
Love is when u, without expecting something in return, do what’s best for that person and NOT what we/they desire.
Now, Coolduude,
Each time you think that “there’s no person better than him/her”, there always is a person that you will find everything you want in a man/woman and more. U never know what God has for u. We are meant to love and to be loved. Be patient. 🙂
 
I like that answer. Attachment.

Sometimes love requires letting go.

There are different kinds of love.
Where your treasure is, there your heart will be also" Mt. 6:21

We have a hard time letting go of anything in which we invested a lot of time, thought, effort, emotion, hope etc. That’s we must guard our hearts when dating, not just our bodies!

This isn’t just love, it’s attachment
 
Hey all,

I think often of my ex girlfriend, with whom I was very much in love. Even though the relationship has been over for longer than we were dating, I still miss her and honestly still love her. But the other day I was questioning why I love her. Would I really still sacrifice for her? (depending on the situation of course) Why should I still love her? Why why why? What’s the point? She’s not interested in me. I’m just another person to her now, and understandably so.

So why do we love others even if they don’t love us back? Why should I sacrifice for her (or not)? Where does this all come from?

I’m probably not being very clear in this question so if I can clarify anything let me know.

Coolduude
There are different types and grades of love. A higher-ordered love is spiritual in nature, and this is the type of love you ought to be seeking. With this type of spiritual love, you can still hold others in high esteem (and love), but the real glory is given to God.

Have you ever experienced these different types of love?
 
Hey all,

So why do we love others even if they don’t love us back? Why should I sacrifice for her (or not)? Where does this all come from?

I’m probably not being very clear in this question so if I can clarify anything let me know.

Coolduude
It is possible that what you feel for her is not truly love. You miss her, remember her fondly, wish you were with her again. This is taking place in the emotions. You feel it.

We can feel love, but love is not a feeling. We can feel heat standing next to a stove, but heat is not a feeling. The feeling is not the heat.

Romantic love is always confusing. It makes us a little crazy, or irrational. This is not a bad thing, but it is something we can not understand. So you wonder, “Why do I feel this way?” I don’t know that anyone has the answer even if they had the same experience. Others may know what will likely happen next based on their experience, but can not explain why you feel the way you do.

What is almost certain is that another girl can come along and replace or take the place in your emotions that the ex-girlfriend now holds. Most adults who have experienced romance, failed romance and another romance will agree.

If you really love a person however, this could not happen. A mother loves her child, because the child is hers. The child holds a permanent irreplaceable place in the mother’s heart. I have a young friend who lost a three day old baby. She has other children, but she aches for the missing one. She wants to hold her baby. No one else can fill the void. The wound can heal to a degree, but there will always be this empty place that only that child can fill.

This is not ther case, however you feel now about your ex-girlfriend. The next girl friend might be so wonderful that you might wonder why you ever were so enamored and infatuated with the former. In fact that is probably what will happen.

I am extremely grateful for the life I have with my wife of 36 years. I don’t know how it could have been much better. I love being with her whenever we are together and miss her when we are not. She is part of me. When I think of some of the girlfriends I had and had romantic feelings for, and consider that I might have married, I shudder realizing what a terrible mistake it would have been. I can see this clearly now, but could not then.

This is probably not unusual, at least for happily married people. What you are experiencing is normal, in that most people experience it, and what is also normal is that these feelings will change, or stop when another girl grabs your attention.
 
Can I send u a PM?
Go for it.

To everyone else:

Thanks for the responses. I guess I never really thought about it as attachment. I guess it could be thought of as attachment under the guise of love. But as E_7 pointed out, love is an act of the will, which I fully agree with. With that in mind, do I love this woman? I would still say yes. I would willingly sacrifice for her. Why? I guess that’s where the question comes in. And maybe the answer to Why? is that I am attached and I just don’t want to admit it. I just don’t know.
 
It is possible that what you feel for her is not truly love. You miss her, remember her fondly, wish you were with her again. This is taking place in the emotions. You feel it.

We can feel love, but love is not a feeling. We can feel heat standing next to a stove, but heat is not a feeling. The feeling is not the heat.

Romantic love is always confusing. It makes us a little crazy, or irrational. This is not a bad thing, but it is something we can not understand. So you wonder, “Why do I feel this way?” I don’t know that anyone has the answer even if they had the same experience. Others may know what will likely happen next based on their experience, but can not explain why you feel the way you do.

What is almost certain is that another girl can come along and replace or take the place in your emotions that the ex-girlfriend now holds. Most adults who have experienced romance, failed romance and another romance will agree.

If you really love a person however, this could not happen. A mother loves her child, because the child is hers. The child holds a permanent irreplaceable place in the mother’s heart. I have a young friend who lost a three day old baby. She has other children, but she aches for the missing one. She wants to hold her baby. No one else can fill the void. The wound can heal to a degree, but there will always be this empty place that only that child can fill.

This is not ther case, however you feel now about your ex-girlfriend. The next girl friend might be so wonderful that you might wonder why you ever were so enamored and infatuated with the former. In fact that is probably what will happen.

I am extremely grateful for the life I have with my wife of 36 years. I don’t know how it could have been much better. I love being with her whenever we are together and miss her when we are not. She is part of me. When I think of some of the girlfriends I had and had romantic feelings for, and consider that I might have married, I shudder realizing what a terrible mistake it would have been. I can see this clearly now, but could not then.

This is probably not unusual, at least for happily married people. What you are experiencing is normal, in that most people experience it, and what is also normal is that these feelings will change, or stop when another girl grabs your attention.
Thank you for this post. Excellent insight. As you point out, another girl will come along and probably be immensely better for me than my ex. I just can’t see it yet. Patience is a virtue, and patience is what I need to wait for that girl. In time it will all certainly come together.
 
Two questions, then,
Why do we love,
and why do you love her.
If you loved her for who she is, why would not you still love her.
As you desired her true good, so you still desire her true good. You are good and why should you desire less for her just because she isn’t in your life?
In heaven we will profoundly love each other.
Me, and many here, you don’t love, don’t know, maybe don’t much like, but in heaven we’ll all love each other. You do know her and do love her now.
Most of us here in CAF, who sometimes get into personal exchanges, or argue, or feel like hitting over the head, yet if most of us passed in the street we’d hardly notice each other.

I wrote something once, you won’t want to read it and most won’t want to, just a silly someone you don’t know who uses words, because on earth you have no reason to love or value me, and many like me. And I have the irrelevancy of someone who isn’t old but is no longer young. These are the realities we live with on this earth. We only manage to love a few, have good-will for more, but why stop loving those we’ve loved.
I expressed it this way:

Worlds passing by

You pass me by. I catch your eye for an instant.
If introduced, we exchange light courtesies?
Perhaps our communication shall never grow deeper
and we may on earth never feel close?
Perhaps not meet again?

For we are strangers. Or that vague thing, acquaintances,
or friends who never guess how little each really knows the other.
Or for a brief while we have in deep fraternity recognised each other
until, perhaps, darkness closes over the moment
and we are again strangers!

In me, you see, perhaps–another of many persons—
ordinary, irrelevant or for the moment, useful or demanding?
I, observing you may feel the same?
Yet I know you for a world,
a universe within!

To God, you are precious, unique, and beloved!
beheld through Jesus crucified and risen…you, like me, God’s child!
How profoundly we should care!
Yet we are often afraid and untrusting
even with our own best loved.

I feel for you a gentleness that you cannot suspect–
though through circumstance or mutual limitation,
there may exist no effective human link between us.
I turn to God confused, and plead to love and serve you.

“Behold this person, Lord, created in image of Your Son
and intended for harmonious union with me in You–
as with numerous other souls, worlds–mysterious, complex, rich.
Beautiful. Yet wounded in the reality and knowledge of his frailty.

In him–all beauty, all gift and good–
concealed within, without revealed–is You.
Receive then as Yours that gift-of-Your-life-and-love in this person
offered to You as my prayer for him in faith.

Accept him at my hands through the Person of Christ
in Whom You are Father and all humankind is brother, sister.
Draw this person nearer for Your love for him in me,
in this, the moment of my caring!”
Still strangers, we are thus in secret united, through Your love and prayer our God.

You know, and Your knowledge of our kinship embraces me
As Your compassion and grace flows into the being for whom I pray.
“For this renewing surge of healing and creation
in the soul of my sister or my brother,
I thank You, Lord our God and Father!”
 
Go for it.

With that in mind, do I love this woman? …I would still say yes. I would willingly sacrifice for her. .
You correctly tie love and sacrifice. Forget about this girl for a moment. Make believe you never met her. The purpose is to look at yourself, your spiritual state, using that same test of love and sacrifice. Ask yourself the same question, but put another person in her place. “Would I sacrifice for -----------?” Keep doing that, going through people you know including people who have offended you, people you do not like at all. Then do it with people you don’t know, maybe public figures, greast criminals, the politically powerful and corrupt. Then ask the question about people you never met, a poor child with AIDS in Africa. Finally come to the question, who is it that I would not sacrifice for? If the answer is nobody, then you love everyone and are very Christ like, almost. There is one more criteria to consider, one more light to examine yourself under.

This willingness can not be simply an intellectual assent. You have to do it. Love has to be manifested. Look at the crucifix and see it. We have to do what He does, take up our crosses and follow His bloody footsteps, give ourselves for others, even our enemies.

Romantic love can reflect this greater love, but it is a dim one. Real love is offering yourself to someone, including God, expecting nothing in return. You can hope for it to be reciprocated, but even if it is not, you would still sacrifice yourself. Look at the Crucifix.

When we ask why do we love it is difficult to answer, but not impossible. The better question is why does God love. Why does God love us? When we look at ourselves we realize we do not deserve to be loved. God loves us, because God is love. He can not, not love. You are made in God’s image and likeness. That means you are like God, God like. So you do what He does, you love.

OK, so now you can go back and think some more about your ex girlfriend if you want to continue picking off scabs and making yourself miserable. On the other hand you might forget about this wound and think about much greater things like, how can I increase in love for God and neighbor.
 
True Love of the “Romantic” sort (by “Romantic” mean that it includes physical erotic feelings and desires) that a man feels for a woman, or that a woman feels for a man, is part selfishness, and also part unselfishness. If it is only selfish, it is NOT TRUE love. If it is only unselfish then it is NOT ROMANTIC love.

Don’t let anyone discredit True Love, or these feelings you had for this woman. Even famous, rich, super handsome men are rejected.

Be honest. You have not wanted or allowed a significant, special, intimate, exclusive relationship with everyone who has wanted a significant, special, intimate, exclusive relationship with you. In this regard, you are selective, always have been, always will be. So, just as you have the right to decline such relationships that other may want with you, others have the same right to decline your interest and invitations in this regard. No one has done anything wrong in declining in this regard. Jesus’ command to love our neighbor as ourselves does not and could not include having a significant, special, intimate, exclusive relationship with everyone.

Get clear in your mind about what Love is, and what is your role as a Man is in Courtship and Marriage. As a man, you are the Initiator. The Man asks for a woman’s phone number. The Man asks her out. The Man plans the first day. The Man initiates the first kiss, the first hand holding. The Man asks her to marry him. And so on. These are not mere social conventions, but part of God-created Human Nature itself. Don’t let an instance of Unrequited Love impede you from your God-created role as the Initator.

Practice the particular male virtue of Courage. You must push past feelings of sorrow over this unrequited love. Get up and get going! Make yourself. This is no time to be Wimpy. Women HATE Wimpy men. Crazy as it may seem, woman fall in love with “bad boys” who will never remain faithful to them, but will never have feelings of romantic love for the Nice Guy who will always be faithful to them, but who is Wimpy. Think about that. Check yourself. See if maybe you have elements of Wimpy-iness. I bring this up since moping about an unrequited love for a long period of time is a sign of a Wimpy Man. God loves everyone, but no woman loves a wimpy man. Remember that.

Read Pope Benedict XVI’s first encyclical, “God is Love.” It talks about the difference between “eros” love and “agape” love, and how they sometimes are intertwined. Here’s a summary of that encyclical: [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/(name removed by moderator)](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/(name removed by moderator))

One person in this thread wrote: “Love is not a feeling, it’s an act (action). Love is an act that comes from the will.” Many Catholics books repeat this. It is true. But it is not the whole truth about Love, whether Divine or Human. Love is manifested in feelings AND in actions. I say: Don’t get misled into either extreme, of thinking of love as nothing but good actions for the beloved, or of love as nothing but good feelings for the beloved.

Some people belittled your love for his woman by calling it “attachment.” That comes from certain psychologists who are really hostile to committed, forever, trusting, intimate love in a marriage. Dont’ buy into that. It is good to be attached in marriage. The Bible says so, and so do many Catholic essays and articles.

Some people say that True Love in the Romantic sense is not even that important, as compared to loving God and receiving love from God. Don’t buy into that. Unless you are called to be a priest or monk, giving and receiving love in marriage IS important. In general, humans need both human love and Divine love.

When Person A pines over a lost love (or almost love), I think it is usually not so much about the one that got away, as it is about feelings within Person A that he isn’t very attractive or valuable to members of the opposite sex, and so Person A is really in deep fear that he will never be liked, loved, and wanted by any woman that he (Person A) likes, loves and wants. What can Person A do about such inner thoughts/feelings? Do whatever it takes! Person A can: (1) just decide that he is attractive; (2) do things to make himself generally more attractive to and desirable to women; (3) learn better means of communicating his value quickly to women (people very quickly get interested or uninterested in members of the opposite sex); (4) refuse to give into despair; (5) resolve to stop wimpy moping.

Quit trying to make romantic love TOO Christian and TOO Christ-like. All love between a man and a woman MUST be significantly selfish and self-serving, and there’s NOTHING wrong with that. Even the current pope says that in his encyclical titled “God is Love.” No one goes on dates, gets engaged, or gets married for entirely or even mostly spiritual, unselfish reasons. Don’t be too spiritual, or you’ll get all mixed up. For most of the history of the Catholic Church, there was a strict distinction made between the lay people, on the one hand, and those who are following the Evangelical Counsels, on the other hand. You are a lay person. You have a vocation to marriage and children. So you are not called to be 100% unselfish all the time as are monks and nuns. You live in the world, you are involved in business enterprises, and you will get marriage and you will take pleasure in engaging in sexual intercourse in marriage. A lay person cannot live a life that is totally self-sacrificing, in my opinion. A lay person must find the right mix of selfishness and unselfishness. The Catholic Church really does teach that, according to books I have read.

I once read a letter by Karl Keating, the founder of Catholic Answers, in which he said he completely rejected the concept of there being just one person who is “meant” for you. He said that instead of that, he felt that there were many people who would make a good spouse.
 
Two questions, then,
Why do we love,
and why do you love her.
If you loved her for who she is, why would not you still love her.
As you desired her true good, so you still desire her true good. You are good and why should you desire less for her just because she isn’t in your life?
In heaven we will profoundly love each other.
Me, and many here, you don’t love, don’t know, maybe don’t much like, but in heaven we’ll all love each other. You do know her and do love her now.
Most of us here in CAF, who sometimes get into personal exchanges, or argue, or feel like hitting over the head, yet if most of us passed in the street we’d hardly notice each other.

I wrote something once, you won’t want to read it and most won’t want to, just a silly someone you don’t know who uses words, because on earth you have no reason to love or value me, and many like me. And I have the irrelevancy of someone who isn’t old but is no longer young. These are the realities we live with on this earth. We only manage to love a few, have good-will for more, but why stop loving those we’ve loved.
I expressed it this way:

Worlds passing by

You pass me by. I catch your eye for an instant.
If introduced, we exchange light courtesies?
Perhaps our communication shall never grow deeper
and we may on earth never feel close?
Perhaps not meet again?

For we are strangers. Or that vague thing, acquaintances,
or friends who never guess how little each really knows the other.
Or for a brief while we have in deep fraternity recognised each other
until, perhaps, darkness closes over the moment
and we are again strangers!

In me, you see, perhaps–another of many persons—
ordinary, irrelevant or for the moment, useful or demanding?
I, observing you may feel the same?
Yet I know you for a world,
a universe within!

To God, you are precious, unique, and beloved!
beheld through Jesus crucified and risen…you, like me, God’s child!
How profoundly we should care!
Yet we are often afraid and untrusting
even with our own best loved.

I feel for you a gentleness that you cannot suspect–
though through circumstance or mutual limitation,
there may exist no effective human link between us.
I turn to God confused, and plead to love and serve you.

“Behold this person, Lord, created in image of Your Son
and intended for harmonious union with me in You–
as with numerous other souls, worlds–mysterious, complex, rich.
Beautiful. Yet wounded in the reality and knowledge of his frailty.

In him–all beauty, all gift and good–
concealed within, without revealed–is You.
Receive then as Yours that gift-of-Your-life-and-love in this person
offered to You as my prayer for him in faith.

Accept him at my hands through the Person of Christ
in Whom You are Father and all humankind is brother, sister.
Draw this person nearer for Your love for him in me,
in this, the moment of my caring!”
Still strangers, we are thus in secret united, through Your love and prayer our God.

You know, and Your knowledge of our kinship embraces me
As Your compassion and grace flows into the being for whom I pray.
“For this renewing surge of healing and creation
in the soul of my sister or my brother,
I thank You, Lord our God and Father!”
Thank you for this post. 🙂 Especially the bold. Thank you!

P.S. I read the poem. Very nicely done!! 🙂
 
You correctly tie love and sacrifice. Forget about this girl for a moment. Make believe you never met her. The purpose is to look at yourself, your spiritual state, using that same test of love and sacrifice. Ask yourself the same question, but put another person in her place. “Would I sacrifice for -----------?” Keep doing that, going through people you know including people who have offended you, people you do not like at all. Then do it with people you don’t know, maybe public figures, greast criminals, the politically powerful and corrupt. Then ask the question about people you never met, a poor child with AIDS in Africa. Finally come to the question, who is it that I would not sacrifice for? If the answer is nobody, then you love everyone and are very Christ like, almost. There is one more criteria to consider, one more light to examine yourself under.

This willingness can not be simply an intellectual assent. You have to do it. Love has to be manifested. Look at the crucifix and see it. We have to do what He does, take up our crosses and follow His bloody footsteps, give ourselves for others, even our enemies.

Romantic love can reflect this greater love, but it is a dim one. Real love is offering yourself to someone, including God, expecting nothing in return. You can hope for it to be reciprocated, but even if it is not, you would still sacrifice yourself. Look at the Crucifix.

When we ask why do we love it is difficult to answer, but not impossible. The better question is why does God love. Why does God love us? When we look at ourselves we realize we do not deserve to be loved. God loves us, because God is love. He can not, not love. You are made in God’s image and likeness. That means you are like God, God like. So you do what He does, you love.

OK, so now you can go back and think some more about your ex girlfriend if you want to continue picking off scabs and making yourself miserable. On the other hand you might forget about this wound and think about much greater things like, how can I increase in love for God and neighbor.
I would say "yes, I would make those sacrifices ". But perhaps I’m saying that because I’m so lovesick 😦
 
True Love of the “Romantic” sort (by “Romantic” mean that it includes physical erotic feelings and desires) that a man feels for a woman, or that a woman feels for a man, is part selfishness, and also part unselfishness. If it is only selfish, it is NOT TRUE love. If it is only unselfish then it is NOT ROMANTIC love.

[snip]

Be honest. You have not wanted or allowed a significant, special, intimate, exclusive relationship with everyone who has wanted a significant, special, intimate, exclusive relationship with you. In this regard, you are selective, always have been, always will be. So, just as you have the right to decline such relationships that other may want with you, others have the same right to decline your interest and invitations in this regard. No one has done anything wrong in declining in this regard. Jesus’ command to love our neighbor as ourselves does not and could not include having a significant, special, intimate, exclusive relationship with everyone.

Get clear in your mind about what Love is, and what is your role as a Man is in Courtship and Marriage. As a man, you are the Initiator. The Man asks for a woman’s phone number. The Man asks her out. The Man plans the first day. The Man initiates the first kiss, the first hand holding. The Man asks her to marry him. And so on. These are not mere social conventions, but part of God-created Human Nature itself. Don’t let an instance of Unrequited Love impede you from your God-created role as the Initator.

Practice the particular male virtue of Courage. You must push past feelings of sorrow over this unrequited love. Get up and get going! Make yourself. This is no time to be Wimpy. Women HATE Wimpy men. Crazy as it may seem, woman fall in love with “bad boys” who will never remain faithful to them, but will never have feelings of romantic love for the Nice Guy who will always be faithful to them, but who is Wimpy. Think about that. Check yourself. See if maybe you have elements of Wimpy-iness. I bring this up since moping about an unrequited love for a long period of time is a sign of a Wimpy Man. God loves everyone, but no woman loves a wimpy man. Remember that.

Read Pope Benedict XVI’s first encyclical, “God is Love.” It talks about the difference between “eros” love and “agape” love, and how they sometimes are intertwined. Here’s a summary of that encyclical: [en.wikipedia.org/wiki/(name removed by moderator)](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/(name removed by moderator))

One person in this thread wrote: “Love is not a feeling, it’s an act (action). Love is an act that comes from the will.” Many Catholics books repeat this. It is true. But it is not the whole truth about Love, whether Divine or Human. Love is manifested in feelings AND in actions. I say: Don’t get misled into either extreme, of thinking of love as nothing but good actions for the beloved, or of love as nothing but good feelings for the beloved.

Some people belittled your love for his woman by calling it “attachment.” That comes from certain psychologists who are really hostile to committed, forever, trusting, intimate love in a marriage. Dont’ buy into that. It is good to be attached in marriage. The Bible says so, and so do many Catholic essays and articles.

Some people say that True Love in the Romantic sense is not even that important, as compared to loving God and receiving love from God. Don’t buy into that. Unless you are called to be a priest or monk, giving and receiving love in marriage IS important. In general, humans need both human love and Divine love.

When Person A pines over a lost love (or almost love), I think it is usually not so much about the one that got away, as it is about feelings within Person A that he isn’t very attractive or valuable to members of the opposite sex, and so Person A is really in deep fear that he will never be liked, loved, and wanted by any woman that he (Person A) likes, loves and wants. What can Person A do about such inner thoughts/feelings? Do whatever it takes! Person A can: (1) just decide that he is attractive; (2) do things to make himself generally more attractive to and desirable to women; (3) learn better means of communicating his value quickly to women (people very quickly get interested or uninterested in members of the opposite sex); (4) refuse to give into despair; (5) resolve to stop wimpy moping.

[snip]
Thanks for this post. I like what you say here; it makes a lot of sense to me. 👍
Quit trying to make romantic love TOO Christian and TOO Christ-like. All love between a man and a woman MUST be significantly selfish and self-serving, and there’s NOTHING wrong with that. Even the current pope says that in his encyclical titled “God is Love.” No one goes on dates, gets engaged, or gets married for entirely or even mostly spiritual, unselfish reasons. Don’t be too spiritual, or you’ll get all mixed up. For most of the history of the Catholic Church, there was a strict distinction made between the lay people, on the one hand, and those who are following the Evangelical Counsels, on the other hand. You are a lay person. You have a vocation to marriage and children. So you are not called to be 100% unselfish all the time as are monks and nuns. You live in the world, you are involved in business enterprises, and you will get marriage and you will take pleasure in engaging in sexual intercourse in marriage. A lay person cannot live a life that is totally self-sacrificing, in my opinion. A lay person must find the right mix of selfishness and unselfishness. The Catholic Church really does teach that, according to books I have read.
This seems a tad… off to me. Selfishness in relationships doesn’t seem like it fits. However, I certainly see your point in it. I just haven’t heard it before so it’s foreign to me. Thank you for the insight though.
 
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