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smad0142
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Are there any philosophical arguments that can convincingly prove that humanity is in need of a Savior? Or can we only know about needing a Savior through divine revelation? Thanks!
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fhansen
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From a purely rational standpoint, we certainly don’t know where we came from, if anywhere, what we’re suppose to be doing here, if anything, and where we’re going, if anywhere. And that’s a pretty apt description of someone who’s lost. And that could help explain another somewhat unseemly condition we should be familiar with-a general human angst that seems to operate in the background. The existence and unreasonableness of moral evil (sin) is another indicator that man’s condition or state is somehow lacking in integrity.
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Rahn
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To convince someone that they need a savior, you first need to point out why. It then becomes an exercise in proving that sin exists and that we all are sinful.
The question of sin is too personal to allow for a broad philosophical argumet. I see it more like Romans 2:
“You then who teach others, do you not teach yourself? While you preach against stealing, do you steal? You who say that one must not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? You who boast in the law dishonor God by breaking the law.”
Ray Comfort uses this approach quite effectively using the Ten Commandments.
The question of sin is too personal to allow for a broad philosophical argumet. I see it more like Romans 2:
“You then who teach others, do you not teach yourself? While you preach against stealing, do you steal? You who say that one must not commit adultery, do you commit adultery? You who abhor idols, do you rob temples? You who boast in the law dishonor God by breaking the law.”
Ray Comfort uses this approach quite effectively using the Ten Commandments.
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Lonely_guy
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Why? Because we are only humans and do a lot of bad stuff.
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Lubomyr
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All you need is a television set to decide that one.
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belorg
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The simple answer: humanity is not in need of a saviour.
Needing a saviour is , in fact, a direct contradiction with most claims of theism.
If theism, and more specifically Christianity is true, then the need of a saviour is very much like people ‘needing’ maffia ‘protection’. against … the maffia.
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AitchB
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But what if one doesn’t steal, commit adultery, rob, or boast in the law?
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tonyrey
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In other words you believe you are self-sufficient, morally perfect and have all the answers…
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tonyrey
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- We are not sparks in the dark.
- Our own light is not sufficient to find our way.
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belorg
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No, but I believe that, with the help of my fellow human beings I’ll do as well as can be.
If I thought I had all the anwers, I would be a catholic. It’s actually because i am humble enough to admit that iIdo not have the answers that I am an atheist.
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belorg
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But the light of others can guide us.
- We are not sparks in the dark.
- Our own light is not sufficient to find our way.
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Jaaanosik
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Hitler? Stalin?
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belorg
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How about the Spanish Inquisition?
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fhansen
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That’s sounds ironic in a way. I’m Catholic because I admit I don’t have the answers.
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belorg
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No, it is in fact not ironic.
I think you are a Catholic because you accept answers that
1 you cannot know are correct
2 are not really answers when looked upon a bit more closely
It is very easy to answer every question with ‘God’. But for things you do not know the only honest answer is ‘I don’t know’.
I don’t believe in God mainly because I do not like pseudo-answers.
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fhansen
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I looked into various religions and philosophies because I wanted answers to things I had no answers for on my own-I needed those answers, actually, but had no idea if they existed. When I looked into Christianity, via the bible, something different happened, over time, to my surprise. My attention was caught. And I suppose you could object that I did it on my own because I wanted to but in any case I began, subtly at first and then increasingly, to believe. And God, who I still wasn’t totally certain even existed, began to respond. And if I could give to you some of the experiences I’ve had over the years since that time, you’d believe as well.
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Jaaanosik
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Correct, that’s why we need something better.
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belorg
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Of course we need something better, and there is plenty of ‘better’ in the world.
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belorg
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I’ve been there, my friend. It is because I realised the catholic faith did not give real answers that I left it.
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Archedreamer
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I only can talk you with philosophic facts… but it is not so inadecuate since we are in the philosophic sub-forum.
The question of the Saviour was not an exclusive patrimony of the People of Israel. The Greek, the another term of the antinomy of our heritage, claimed for Him such as Jews before He arrived. Romano Guardini has traited in a good manner the critic spirit of the ancient man, whose deepest intention was to discover the Well-proportioned Man and the Noble Work… it was an era when on could see clearer the World, and that what the life supossed: Love, Death… al was very clear… there is no aternal love, there is no very live… they said.
Aristotle said: “We never will know the episteme (we will never have security) by us, without a Word of God we will be lose forever”
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