Why do we put up with fake stuff?

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I live in a relatively wealthy neighborhood in suburban Washington, DC. So my parish can’t really claim crushing poverty. But we still have too much fake “stuff” in use at our liturgies. For example:


  1. *]Tape recorded “bells” to “ring” through the sound system before Mass
    *]Racks of electric votive “candles” in front of statues
    *]Metal tubes with wicks burning something or other taking the place of real candles on the altar

    I understand there are questions of “practicality”, but frankly they’re just not all that compelling. And there is the strong downside of importing sham and pretense into the most sacred acts of the church, in which material things usher us into the presence of what is eternally Real. It’s more than just aesthetic tackiness (although it is that) – it undercuts our theological proclamation.
 
The bells I agree with you 100%.

Candles on the other hand (apart from the altar candles which must be made out of a certain percentage of beeswax, and therefore by implication must be real candles) are a pain - you ever had to clean spilled candle wax? Or smoke stains?
 
I live in a relatively wealthy neighborhood in suburban Washington, DC too. My parish has real bells–both to ring at the start of Mass and for the altar boys to ring for the consecration. We have real candles both in the votive racks and on the altar. I know that the parish buys a special type of votive candle because of the smoke issue, but they are real. Perhaps your parish secretary should call my parish secretary? 😛
 
I live in a relatively wealthy neighborhood in suburban Washington, DC. So my parish can’t really claim crushing poverty. But we still have too much fake “stuff” in use at our liturgies. For example:


  1. *]Tape recorded “bells” to “ring” through the sound system before Mass
    *]Racks of electric votive “candles” in front of statues
    *]Metal tubes with wicks burning something or other taking the place of real candles on the altar

    I understand there are questions of “practicality”, but frankly they’re just not all that compelling. And there is the strong downside of importing sham and pretense into the most sacred acts of the church, in which material things usher us into the presence of what is eternally Real. It’s more than just aesthetic tackiness (although it is that) – it undercuts our theological proclamation.

  1. Well the best you can do is get involved. Participate in Parish Council meetings. Help in parish fund raising events etc. As you participate, make recommendations for a change.

    It won’t change by doing nothing.

    Jim
 
I agree. The real thing is always better than an artificial substitute. I too am concerned about the effect cheap substitutes have on the faithful.

When it comes to church bells, they are extremely expensive, require significant upkeep in many instances and there is often a need for fairly expensive architecture to house them.

That said, I think all Catholic churches should endeavor to procure real bells…
 
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  1. *]Tape recorded “bells” to “ring” through the sound system before Mass
    *]Racks of electric votive “candles” in front of statues
    *]Metal tubes with wicks burning something or other taking the place of real candles on the altar
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  1. I agree with the aesthetics
    but real bells require real bell ringers, and they have to be trained and it is a strenuous job

    some municipalities require electric votives especially in areas that are unattended at night or for long periods

    if you had ever spent hours and days cleaning wax of the sanctuary floor and carpet after the Easter vigil or some other celebration involving a lot of candles, you would have heartfelt appreciation for the oil & wick candles but at least it is better than electric (but not much I agree)

    our sanctuary lamp by the tabernacle is an oil and wick design that is supposed to be safer than a candle and lasts a lot longer without attention
 
I agree with the aesthetics
but real bells require real bell ringers, and they have to be trained and it is a strenuous job

some municipalities require electric votives especially in areas that are unattended at night or for long periods

if you had ever spent hours and days cleaning wax of the sanctuary floor and carpet after the Easter vigil or some other celebration involving a lot of candles, you would have heartfelt appreciation for the oil & wick candles but at least it is better than electric (but not much I agree)

our sanctuary lamp by the tabernacle is an oil and wick design that is supposed to be safer than a candle and lasts a lot longer without attention
Training bell-ringers is one of the most beloved traditions at my parish. It’s not strenuous to ring bells. A lot of real bells are also automated these days…

Many candles have been burned 24/7 in my parish church for well over 100 years. While permits are often needed for open flames from the local FD, I don’t know of a single FD that would refuse to grant a license to a Catholic parish – particularly if the pastor called the FD.

If people learned how to treat candles there would be a lot less clean-up. (In my best Frazier Crane voice) using a proper snuffer ensures wax won’t be splashed everywhere.

I watched a woman light the sanctuary candles the other day. She was using matches. She dropped each match in the wax-collector – perfectly visible to the faithful. Talk about disrespect for the sanctuary. I’m not sure about the background of that lady, but that’s simply crude.

EVERYONE loves bells!
 
I have seen all of this in our parish too. Let me apologize in advance for what will likely look like a rant, but in a sense I feel that our parishes are being looted and the congregations are being robbed in these decisions, and I cannot think about it without getting somewhat carried away.

As I see it, this all goes to a proper understanding of the sacred and who we serve, or more correctly, an improper understanding. About six months ago I came to Mass and found electric, push-button, votive candles where we used to have traditional wax versions. In the past I would usually stop to light a candle and pray for my elderly mother, but now will not. I cannot participate in the stripping of the temples for the worship of money, and I believe that is ultimately what fuels these decisions.

I found out just what the motivation was a few weeks later when I was volunteering at a sale of some kind on a Saturday. Several influential ladies from the altar society were there bragging about a new crucifix which they had purchased. I stopped to complement their choice on this, and conversation turned to other things, like the candles. I asked why it was done, and was told point blank it was because people were not putting in enough money with the old system. As far as I am concerned, what little money may be lost in candles is part of the operating expense of the Church. It is the prayers of the people, and even though people should make the proper offering for the candle, if a few don’t it is not a big deal. Tearing out the sacramentals from the Church IS a big deal though.

Then, a bit later, the entire event was thrown into sharper focus by another such decision. We have been having second collections for a couple of years for a “building fund.” This was to build a new and permanent Church, as our parish does not have one and uses a temporary hall at this time, and to help with overflow since we are currently standing room only for the evening Mass. I have donated to this fund many times and had been watching the announcements of new plans for the new structure as they were put forward. As far as anyone could tell things were moving forward in the manner to be expected on such a project.

This was all still the case as I sat down in Mass and took a look in the bulletin. It was all about “stewardship” (as if they aren’t always) and how a person was to give to God first rather than to spend for their own benefit and then give to God from what was left. I thought this was a good thing to mention and even though I tire of the stewardship focus I could not argue about it. But, then at the announcements we are told that the parish is no longer going to build a Church, but instead yet another hall (we have two already, without a main Church at all!). This would, we are told, raise more money as it could be rented for parties, bake and rummage sales and other such things, as well as being used to raise money by direct parish activities. Well, so much for stewardship. Not only are we now going to spend all that money rasied directly by promising a new church to instead build something else (sounds like stolen money to me), but we are also going to build something in hopes of increasing profits rather than constructing a proper Church for the worship of God. I really thought that the bulletin’s story was hilariously ironic.

Later, there is another announcement about the something like a million dollars (if memory serves) our parish would be spending on this building, the rest being provided by loan from the Bishop. We have no Church, celebrate Mass in front of a kitchen, confess in an office since we have no confessional, sit in broken pews (when there is room to sit in anything) and we are going to spend a million dollars on a third hall! But, we cannot afford candles! I am now waiting for the announcement that we will have no more communion since bread is too expensive. It should be coming any day now…

Patrick
 

  1. *]Tape recorded “bells” to “ring” through the sound system before Mass
    *]Racks of electric votive “candles” in front of statues
    *]Metal tubes with wicks burning something or other taking the place of real candles on the altar

  1. There could be a hundred reasons, but given the quality of music used at most Masses, the quality of vestments, and the design/construction of many modern churches - I suggest the main reason is a monumental lack of taste and aesthetics - by bishops, pastors and parishioners. Seen it all too often. Too many people think it’s great.

    When modern syncopated dreck, polyester and boxes of faux wood are in vogue, one can only expect fake bells and fake candles.
 
As far as the candles go, it’s probably a question of fire codes. Older churches that are primarily constructed of stone can have many real candles without violating the code, but newer churches built primarily of wood cannot. Instead of getting rid of votive candles (which many have done), some go for the electric ones.
 
Is it really a question of parish wealth? We have a very small parish without a lot of money, but I’ve never seen “fake” bells, candles and the like. Sounds weird, electric candles?:confused: God help you. Tim
 
I have electric candles to use in my Advent Wreath. But I also have 2 cats, a 3 year old and I am klutzy. Flame is not the best idea.

As for the bells. I see no issues with the automated ones. Our automated bells allow the servers to ring the church bells at consecration. No little bells for us. The whole neighborhood knows what’s going down when we have mass 😃
 
I can’t even imagine having to use fake or phony candles, bells etc. it seems that the only thing that could come from them is fake or phony sentiments and feelings.
 
I agree. The real thing is always better than an artificial substitute. I too am concerned about the effect cheap substitutes have on the faithful.

When it comes to church bells, they are extremely expensive, require significant upkeep in many instances and there is often a need for fairly expensive architecture to house them.

That said, I think all Catholic churches should endeavor to procure real bells…
I am not talking about bells in a bell tower. We simply have a set of bells hanging by the narthex door. One of the altar boys rings them before the procession starts. The same for the bells during the conseration. It is a set of hand-held bells that the boys ring from where they kneel on the altar steps.
Big bells in a tower would be nice, but for that I wouldn’t mind electric ones.
 
The electric candles could be because they want a lower fire risk. What are the fire codes in your area and specific to the church building?
 
The parish in which I grew up had real bells–big heavy ones–installed high in the steeple. The rope used to ring them hung all the way down into the chapel, where our bell ringer rung them for the angelus times as well as Mass.

Sometime later the parish acquired a motorized ringer which activated the bells at the appropriate times, but they are still real bells. A pastor once decided that the early morning angelus bell was probably too early and disturbed the neighborhood, so he stopped. But the entire neighborhood complained–even the non-Catholics. They wanted the bells rung, and so they got them back.
 
I live in a relatively wealthy neighborhood in suburban Washington, DC. So my parish can’t really claim crushing poverty. But we still have too much fake “stuff” in use at our liturgies …
It kind of goes along with the taking over of America by fast food and vinyl siding, doesn’t it? :cool:

Anyway, I do “feel your pain”, LOL. I attended a daily mass once at a parish where there were the recorded bells on the sound system before mass. It was just too goofy, especially when I saw the priest fiddling with the remote control trying to turn them off! Better to have silence, in my opinion, than fake bells.
 
I can’t even imagine having to use fake or phony candles, bells etc. it seems that the only thing that could come from them is fake or phony sentiments and feelings.
Our church uses electric votive lights because the Fire Chief will not allow lit candles in an unattended church. An exemption was made for a single real candle before the Tabernacle, but stringent fire safety measures are required. The electric votive lights are very realistic and are not easily distinguished from real candles except up close.

As for the sincerity of the feelings of those who use the votive lights, naturally I do not know the intentions of most of them. But I do know those of a few because they have asked me to also pray for their intentions. Two come to mind just now. There is one young lady whose husband is away serving on a submarine somewhere. He has been gone several months and due to the mission of his boat he is not able to communicate frequently. She does not know exactly where he is or when he will come back. It is possible that he will still be away when their baby is born. It is possible he may be injured or killed in action.

There is also another woman who has asked me to pray for her grandchildren who are heavily involved with alcohol, drugs, promiscuous sex, and unsurprisingly are not interested in the Church at this time. She has not shared many specific details and I have not pressed her. I would not dare tell either of these women that the heartaches they pour into their prayers are fake or phony in any way, or that their sentiments and feelings are in any way lessened because the visible beacon they use for their prayers is not fueled by burning wax.
 
I would not dare tell either of these women that the heartaches they pour into their prayers are fake or phony in any way, or that their sentiments and feelings are in any way lessened because the visible beacon they use for their prayers is not fueled by burning wax.
Thanks for that Leopard. Your thoughts are very true and those of us who complain should be mindful of that. I will add those women and their intentions to my prayers as well.
 
The candles I can understand being fake, even though they don’t cost much on their own. Building codes dealing with fire hazards have become much more stringent over the years and it can be a significant expense to meet code.

The real bell is just real expensive today. Internet has pricing… You want a carrillon? Consider looking to raise nearly a million dollars to get one of those built and installed. A large single bell can usually be had for around $10-20k, not including building renovation to set the bell in the building (for a total much less than $100k if you are frugal about it, and if the building is designed for it). Hey, I even found a smaller 30lb church bell available online for only a couple thousand dollars, built in the pre1900s, so you can go that route and save lots of cash.

The best way to change the situation is to get involved. Listen to everyone’s viewpoints, make your plan to get church approval and city inspector approval, then take action. It might only take a couple years of fundraising and effort for a dedicated “church team”, considering the relative wealth of a suburban Washington neighborhood.

You CAN have your real stuff. There’s a cost, but you may be able to convince people that it’s worth it.
 
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